Monday, November 12, 2012

SSPX THE ONLY WAY OUT NOW!

Bishop Bernard Fellay please announce that John Martignoni who has a regular apologetics program on EWTN says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma on salvation or the Syllabus of Errors.Ask the Magisterium to comment on this before you give a final decision.
 

It means there can only be one rational interpretation of Vatican Council II.Make sure the mainstream media knows what you are saying and reports it.
 

This will cause an international storm and you and John Martigioni will be at the centre of it. They will accuse you of bringing down, rationally, the liberal idols of Vatican Council II.


Bishop Bernard Fellay has said there are many interpretations of Vatican Council II but has not provided any apologetics for a traditional interpretation and neither has the Vatican. John Martignoni has given us an apologetics for Vatican Council II which is rational, traditional and simple.

 
Bishop Fellay needs a mechanism, something concrete, to get out of this crisis and he has it now.


If the Magisterium says the SSPX can affirm Vatican Council II in agreement with extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors, the SSPX avoids excommunication.
 

The SSPX needs to make an announcement in public and ask the Magisterium to define their terms precisely.

Ask the Archbishops at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to issue a clarification in public on this interpertation of Vatican Council II. If they agree, they could be saying that Vatican Council II agrees with the SSPX position on other religions. If they do not agree with this interpretation they cannot fault the SSPX, for denying Vatican Council II. The SSPX would not be denying the Council but only an interpretation of the Council.

Neither can the Magisterium say that the Holy Spirit wants the SSPX to accept the visible-dead-saved interpretation of Vatican Council II.
 

John Martignoni says 'zero cases of something are not exceptions'. So LG 16, AG 11,LG 8 etc are not exceptions to Tradition.

Here is a potential Press Release
-Lionel Andrades

                                             PRESS RELEASE


The Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) welcomes the statement of the well known American apologist John Martignoni which says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or the Syllabus of Errors.


The SSPX appeals to the Vatican to review John Martignoni's statement and announce if it is acceptable to them.


John Martignoni, a non Traditionalist, has said 'Zero cases of something are not exceptions'.So those saved with the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance, a good conscience, seeds of the word, imperfect communion with the Church etc are not exceptions to the dogma on salvation  or the Syllabus of Errors.


This would mean that Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14) is in agreement with the SSPX position on other religions and ecumenism while LG 16, LG 8,AG 11 etc do not contradict AG 7 and LG 14.This has a direct bearing on the SSPX position on religious liberty.
 
 

CCC 846 with the right interpretation affirms the dogma. CCC 846 cites AG 7 and mentions all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church. So it does not contradict AG 7 which says all need to enter the Church 'as through a door'(AG 7) and that all need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.(AG 7).


All on earth need faith and baptism for salvation and it will be God who will judge who knows and who does not know.

Similarly CCC 1257 says the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water (given to adults with Catholic Faith) and God is not restricted to the Sacraments.This means these exceptional cases( not restricted to the Sacraments) are known to God only and so do not contradict the teaching that faith and baptism are needed for all on earth for salvation. The SSPX-Martigioni position is in agreement with Vatican Council II , the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Dominus Iesus 20 and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

 
The Vatican's formal response to Martignoni's statement is awaited.
(by Lionel Andrades for the Society of St.Pius X)
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Update Jan 15,2015:
There was no response from the Vatican.
Many more of these reports were posted and sent to them.They act as if this problem does not exist.
They want the SSPX and the Franciscans of the Immaculate to interpret Vatican Council II with this irrationality.
This is also the official policy of EWTN and the National Catholic Register. Both are situated in Alabama,USA. There has been no comment on this issue also from the Bishop of Birmingham, Alabama,Bishop Robert J.Baker.Nor have there been further comments from John Martigioni.
Since then Dean of Theology at the University of St.Anselm, Rome has agreed with John Martigioni's statement.
-Lionel Andrades

Religious liberty

There is an article on religious liberty written by Padre ANgelo Fiorentino in Il Settimanale di Padre Pio ( Liberta Religiosa equivoca da risolvere Nov.4,2012 p. 19-20). In his catechesis he says that the concept of religious liberty today is frightening, when it is used to challenge the concept of God, Faith and the Catholic Church.We need to find the true significance of this expression he writes, so that we can respect the other religions,without sacrificing the unicity of the Truth in the Catholic Church; the one, true Faith.

Padre Angelo Fiorentino of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate,Italy had written an article in an earlier edition of this magazine in which he did not affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.He assumed that there were known exceptions in the present times to that ancient teaching that comes to us from Jesus,through the Bible.So with this limitation he appoaches the issue of religious liberty.

We respect the dignity of all people and we love them all as Jesus asks of us.We acknowledge their legal freedom in a state with a seclular Constituion, to live their faith freely.However we have the moral right as Catholics, to affirm the Catholic Faith outside of which there is no salvation.(AG 7,LG 14, Vatican Council II).We know that the different religions and sects are not paths to go to Heaven and to avoid Hell(AG7).

So according to  Catholic Faith, Truth demands that we say that we oppose religious liberty for non Catholics, in the sense, that they are false paths to salvation.Since these religions though possibly containing good and holy things (Nostra Aetate, Vatican Council II) will not take their members to eternal happiness.If they do not convert into the Catholic Church they will experience eternal pain and suffering in Hell.Truth obliges us Catholics to say this.

So while religious liberty in a secular state is legal, morally a Catholic cannot approve a mosque , synagogue or temple. Since these are signs of eternal death according to the Catholic Faith, which says Jesus died for all but to receive this salvation all need to respond by entering the Catholic Church (Dominus Iesus 20). The Church is necessary for salvation and is the ordinary means of salvation. (Redemptoris Missio 55).

We do not force anyone not to follow his conscience or freely not to express his religion(CCC 2106). However we have the right to proclaim our faith with religious liberty.

Even though their religions may put them in contact with God (Dignitatis Humanae 2) we respect there religions according to the legal norms (CCC 2109) and we know they are false paths to salvation.
 
Padre Angelo says all are called to find the truth, specially in things regarding God and His Chruch, and whenever they know it, accept it and hold on to it.
While we discover and affirm the love and truth and good in every person we need to affirm he writes, that the unique and true  religion  exists in the apostolic  Catholic Church-Lionel Andrades

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