Wednesday, May 8, 2013

The only four clerics in the entire world are schismatic because they assume Vatican Council II is non traditional and interpret it with the false premise

Pope Benedict also undid the injustice of the absurd “excommunication” of the bishops of the Society of Saint Pius X, literally the only four clerics in the entire world to which the term “schismatic” was (and, quite perversely, still is) being applied in this strange epoch of “ecumenism” and “interreligious dialogue.”-Christopher Ferrara
The only four clerics in the entire world are schismatic because they assume that Vatican Council II is non traditional and are not aware that they interpet the Council with the false premise of the dead saved being visible to us on earth.
They are schismatic since they are still ignorant that on the issue of other religions and ecumenism there are two ways of interpreting the Council- with or without the false premise. They have chosen the one with the false premise of the visible dead man walking on earth.
This is also the error of the Vatican Curia and so the Curia cardinals  expect the SSPX bishops to accept the Council with this error. Since they are rejecting the Council with this error and not pointing out the mistake to the Curia, it is assumed they are in schism for rejecting the Council which has been approved by the popes, who have also not corrected the error.
The same error is being made by Christopher Ferrara in his interpretation of Vatican Council II. If someone could explain all this to him he would know that the Council does not contradict the dogmas of the Church, including extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So the issue would not be if the Council is dogmatic or pastoral but accepting a traditional Vatican Council in which the liberals would not have any basis for their dissent and schism.-Lionel Andrades
 
 
 

We do not know of any remnant saved with invincible ignorance. We do not know if there is a single person this year or the last year saved in invincible ignorance.

The only way of salvation, defacto, is the baptism of water. There is no defacto extraordinary or other means
 
We do not know of any remnant saved with invincible ignorance. We do not know if there is a single person this year or the last year saved in invincible ignorance.Being saved in invincible ignorance is only a hypothesis, something we accept in principle, in faith. In reality we do not know if a single such person is saved in 2013 insuch a manner.
Robert Sungenis in one of his video talks on salvation says that there will always be a remnant, persons in invincible ignorance who will be saved and who will be 'an exception' to the dogma.
Yes it is a possibility that a person can be saved in this manner. This can be explained with the terms the Church uses. In the Introduction to Dominus Iesus the words de jure(in principle) and defacto are used. In principle (de jure) it is possible to be saved in invincible ignorance etc but defacto ( in reality) we do not know any such case. So these cases saved in invincible ignorance are not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.These cases are irrelevant to the dogma.For them to be an exception they must be visible. We would personally have to know them.
We know that the ordinary way of salvation is Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (AG 7). We cannot say that the extraordinary way of salvation is invincible ignorance etc without qualifiying the statement. It is common knowledge that a person cannot be given salvatiion without the baptism of water and Catholic Faith.We cannot do it.  This is a possibility only for God. The baptism of water is repeatable.It is visible. Saving in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire is not repeatable or possible for us.
So the only way of salvation, defacto, is the baptism of water. There is no defacto extraordinary means.
Vatican Council II in Ad Gentes 7 is saying  de facto every one needs Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation. AG 7 is placed in the Catechism of the Catholic Church under the title Outside the Church No Salvation (CCC 846).-Lionel Andrades