Saturday, November 10, 2012

JOHN MARTIGNONI SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II IS IN AGREEMENT WITH EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND THE SYLLABUS: WHEN WILL THE SSPX AND THE VATICAN CURIA ACKNOWLEDGE IT?

Even the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary have not made the link between the dogma and the Council.

Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martignoni




Thursday, November 8, 2012
Bro.Thomas Augustine MICM, Fr.Francois Laisney SSPX, Fr.Joseph Pfeiffer SSPX-SO and sedevacantists Michael and Peter Dimond assume that the baptism of desire is relevant to the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus

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TRADITIONALIST STILL USE A FALSE PREMISE AND MISUNDERSTAND VATICAN COUNCIL II


The apologist  John Martignoni has said that Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors since the dead-saved are not visible to us.The Society of St.Pius X and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary are not recognizing this point.Neither is the Vatican Curia.

Bishop Bernard Fellay still cannot see the Council as traditional and being in agreement with the dogma and the Syllabus. He does not seem to realize that the liberal, modernist interpertations of the Council are due to the false premise- and this false premise is also held by the SSPX and other traditionalists.

WEBSITE OF ST.BENEDICT CENTER,STILL RIVER

The website St.Benedict Center, Still River,Massachusetts, the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary; the community of Brother Thomas Augustine MICM,(1) could affirm the text of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. If there are protests they could state that they accept implicit baptism of desire and implicit invincible ignorance known only to God.

So they do not reject these cases.

They accept implicit desire etc along with the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr.Leonard Feeney.It does not violate the Principle of Non Contradiction. It does not contradict the ordinary means of salvation which is Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.

Similarly, they do not reject Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.Since there is nothing in either of them to contradict the dogma on salvation.

Extra ecclesiam nulla salus is Catholic Faith expressed in Dominus Iesus 20, Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,846, Vatican Council II(, AG 7,LG 14) etc.

They should not be asked to deny the Catholic Faith on their website.

It's the Paulist Fathers who deny the defined dogma , CCC 845,846, Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14 being contradicted by LG 16).The Paulist Fathers assume that we can see the dead saved.In Worcester and Boston they can shake hands with people saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and no body protests at this irrationality -Lionel Andrades

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