Saturday, May 13, 2017

Franciscans of the Immaculate could ask to sign a doctrinal document affirming Vatican Council II in harmony with the strict interpretation of the dogma outside the church there is no salvation

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Franciscans of the Immaculate priests and Sisters must ask 'fake news' Abp. Guido Pozzo 1 if they could sign a doctrinal preamble  which will regularise their condition.They could agree to sign a document saying that they affirm Vatican Council II. They accept Vatican Council II. They affirm the Council  in harmony with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
They could say that Vatican Council II is no  more an issue for them and that they do not interpret the dogma by using an irrational premise to create a non traditional conclusion.So Vatican Council II is not a rupture with the old ecclesiology of the Church. It is not a rupture with the exclusivist ecclesiology of the 16th century, for example.
The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate could sign a document saying that they attend the Traditional Latin Mass and Mass in Italian, always affirming Vatican Council II in harmony with the old ecclesiology and not with a new ecclesiology, based on Vatican Council II being 'a development of the dogma' on outside the Church there is no salvation.-Lionel Andrades

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MAY 13, 2017

Vatican Official: SSPX Must Sign Doctrinal Declaration

Archbishop Guido Pozzo issues 'fake news' on Vatican Council II and the SSPX

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/05/archbishop-guido-pozzo-issues-fake-news.html

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Archbishop Guido Pozzo issues 'fake news' on Vatican Council II and the SSPX.

Vatican Official: SSPX Must Sign Doctrinal Declaration
Archbishop Guido Pozzo issues 'fake news' on Vatican Council II and the SSPX. He says that the the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), headed by Bishop Bernard Fellay, must sign a doctrinal declaration involving Vatican II before they can reunite with the Church.He means they must unite, without saying that Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) is non heretical  but his 'masters' who give instructions for the reconciliation and then change them will not accept it.He does not say that 'his masters' are promoting Vatican Council II with heresy, it is Vatican Council II interpreted with the false New Theology of Rahner and Ratzinger.

He has said that "The reconciliation will occur when Monsignor Fellay formally adheres to the doctrinal declaration that the Holy See presented to him. This is also the necessary condition to then proceed to the institutional regularization with the creation of a personal prelature." 1 He means that Bishop Fellay cannot interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise.No way! Bishop Fellay must use the false premise( invisible people are visible) and the false conclusion( invisible people saved with the baptism of desire are visible on earth, they are exceptions to the old ecclesiology on salvation). If Fellay does accept Vatican Council II without the false premise it will not be accepted by the CDF or the bishops conferences.Bishop Fellay last month said that the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation 'has been changed surreptitiously by confused ideas.' He smells a rat.He knows something is wrong.Now Archbishop Pozzo wants the SSPX to interpret Vatican Council II with the changed version of the dogma,the 'surreptitious version'.This  is the Cushingite version which re-interprets the dogma with the New Theology.This is how the bishops conferences in the USA, England, Germany and France interpret the old dogma on salvation.They take their lead from the New Theology in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (846).It is only with the new theology; the  invisible- cases- are- visible-theology  that they can read  Vatican Council II.

Reportedly, Abp. Pozzo sees the proper interpretation of Vatican II as an essential element of this declaration and he means only one interpretation of Vatican Council II will be accepted.It is the one Cardinal Ratzinger affirmed during the excommunication of Archbishop Lefebvre .This is the one he confirmed in March 2016. According to this interpretation of Vatican Council II, there was a development of the dogma.Our understanding of outside the Church there is no salvation is supposed to have changed. The dogma has changed.It is no more like it was for the 16th century missionaries he said, in public.He was not going to affirm the dogma without the false premise.He was going to allow it to be changed.He had a choice in March 2016.He chose the new version which was a rupture with the 16th century version of the dogma.He said this in public.
Similarly for Pope Benedict there can only be a hermeneutic of rupture version of Vatican Council II.Vatican Council II must be seen as being in conflict with the old version of the dogma.This is the new Cushingite version of extra ecclesiam nullas salus (EENS) that Pozzo also accepts.This is the interpretation the SSPX has to rubber stamp; sign between the lines, on that document.Of course, this is understood by all at the CDF.This is also the version approved for the Catholic Church by the rabbis who represent Israel.

According to the report, "Guido Pozzo points out that the key to reconciliation lies in understanding the Second Vatican Council. The interpretations that were promoted by some theologians, intellectuals and the media have encouraged ruptures similar to the Lefebvrians."This is more 'fake news.This is deception.These are just words. It is like a politician saying nothing. He is not being specific and concrete. Otherwise he will get into trouble.He has been following this approach for years and so has Pope Benedict.
The archbishop affirmed Thursday that the misinterpretations about the council's 16 documents led to misperceptions of the council by the SSPX, which diverged from Church teaching.By 'Church teaching' he means 'magisterial heresy'.He means it is normal for a pope to say in public (March 2016) that the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation is no more like it was in the past.This is 'Church teaching' today. Either in the past they made a mistake, or in the present times. Or in the present times there is a new revelation in the Catholic Church which was not there in the 16th century. This is Church teaching for Ecclesia Dei.This is the 'perception' of the CDF officials who told the daily La Stampa that in the Vatican - SSPX agreement, there will be nothing which will affect Jewish Left-Catholic relations. This means they will re-interpret with heresy,Vatican Council II and the dogma  outside the Church there is no salvation so as not to upset, the Jewish Left-Vatican agreement.So to create a Church document which is a rupture with past Tradition, the irrational premise ( invisible cases are visible, the baptism of desire refers to a visible case) is crucial.This is the only 'perception' permitted by the present liberal magisterium.
During an interview in March, Abp. Pozzo likewise contrasted the so-called "spirit of Vatican II" as being essentially the problem rather than what the "true council" actually taught.However he cannot accept the 'true council' which avoids the New Theology since then the magisterium would be affirming 'the strict interpretation' of the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation.Since the strict interpretation of the dogma has been rejected by Cardinal Ratzinger( See Christianity and the World Religions, ITC) and there can be no citations and references in Vatican Council II, without using the irrational premise, there is only 'the spirit of Vatican II' which can support the magisterium's position on the Council.
Here come more vagueness and deception.Old men telling lies."The problem is therefore not the Second Vatican Council as such, but a certain way of understanding, applying and practicing the Council, the so-called 'spirit of the Council,'" he explained. "Pope Benedict XVI has spoken of a 'true council' and a 'virtual council,' the latter being the fruit of the mass media, the modernist currents of theology, in other words the 'conciliation ideology' that superimposed the genuine mens (mind) of the Council's Fathers."
Pope Benedict is on record for interpreting Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition. In March 2016 it was blatant heresy.So when he talks about the 'spirit of the Council' 'virtual council' and 'conciliation ideology' these are words; words of a fake theologian.The truth is too scary for him.
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Can you picture him after Regensburg saying according to Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) all Muslims need 'faith and baptism for salvation', to avoid the fires of Hell?
Can you imagine him saying since LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 , GS 22, UR 3 etc all refer to invisible cases and not visible and known people in 2017, there are no practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus mentioned in Vatican Council II?
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Can you imagine him saying that since we cannot know of any one saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and blood, without the baptism of water, there can be no practical exceptions to the dogma outside Church there is no salvation? Of course not. 
He could not say this as the CDF Prefect or Pope Benedict even though this would have been expected of him by the people.This is what we would expect Archbishop Pozzo or an honest cardinal to say in public.
So Guido Pozzo has to issue all this 'fake news' since the truth from Vatican Council II interpreted without the Cushingite theology, without the Rahner-Ratzinger deception, would be too frightening for them.
This fake news needs to be exposed.
Not only the SSPX, but all religious communities in the Catholic Church should ask for the right to interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism.The proclamation of the Gospel, the traditional interpretations must not be changed.There should not be a rupture with Tradition and the interpreting of Scripture as it was done over the centuries.The SSPX must not be asked to accept a fake news version of Vatican Council II and the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation.Archbishop Pozzo must not be surreptitious.
-Lionel Andrades


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MAY 13, 2017


Abp.Pozzo is specious on SSPX confusion : does not differentiate between Vatican Council II Feeneyite and Cushingite, without the irrational premise or with it

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/05/abppozzo-is-specioushe-does-not.html


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The dogma “Outside the Church there is no salvation” has been changed surreptitiously by confused ideas -Bishop Bernard Fellay

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/04/the-dogma-outside-church-there-is-no.html

Abp.Pozzo is specious on SSPX confusion : does not differentiate between Vatican Council II Feeneyite and Cushingite, without the irrational premise or with it

VATICAN OFFICIAL: SSPX MUST SIGN DOCTRINAL DECLARATION

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by Bradley Eli, M.Div., Ma.Th.  •  ChurchMilitant.com  •  May 12, 2017    

Abp. Pozzo: The ball's in their court

ROME (ChurchMilitant.com) - A top Vatican official is saying the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), headed by Bp. Bernard Fellay, must sign a doctrinal declaration involving Vatican II before they can reunite with the Church.
Lionel: This sounds specious.He does not differentiate between Vatican Council II interpreted with Feeneyism or Cushingism, without the irrational premise or with it, not violating the Principle of Non Contradiction or violating it,assuming invisible and unknown cases are invisible or inferring that they are visible and known in the present times, with the hermeneutic of continuity with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus( Feeneyite) or without  it, in agreement with the SSPX General Chapter Statement 2012 or against it.
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In a report published Thursday, Abp. Guido Pozzo, secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, the body tasked with facilitating the reunion with Rome of traditional breakaway groups like the SSPX, is saying, "The reconciliation will occur when Monsignor Fellay formally adheres to the doctrinal declaration that the Holy See presented to him. This is also the necessary condition to then proceed to the institutional regularization with the creation of a personal prelature."
Lionel: After so many years and so many reports on the Internet he does not announce if it would be acceptable for the SSPX and any other religious community to affirm Vatican Council II interpreted with the theology of Feeneyism instead of the common Cushingite theology, used by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.He refuses to discuss this issue.
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Reportedly, Abp. Pozzo sees the proper interpretation of Vatican II as an essential element of this declaration. 
Lionel: I interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism( invisible cases are invisible, hypothetical cases are not objective cases  in 2017, invisible baptism of desire is not an exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), LG 16,LG 8, UR 3 etc refer to hypothetical cases known only to God.They do not refer to objective people known in 2017.  So they are not explicit exceptions to the dogma EENS as it was known, for example to the 16th century missionaries. So there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the Feeneyite intepretation of EENS.LG 16(invincible ignorance) is not an exception to EENS.
This means Pope Benedict XVI in March 2016 made a big mistake when he said that EENS was no more like it was for the missionaries of the 16th century. Since there was a development of the dogma with Vatican Council II. He was referring to Vatican Council II Cushingite.There can be no development of the dogma with Vatican Council II Feeneyite.However, he was giving us and the political Left, his interpretation of Vatican Council II.
I affirm Vatican Council II Feeneyite since it is rational and traditional. I think the SSPX could do the same and then sign the doctrinal preamble asking the CDF and the bishops conferences to also affirm Vatican Council ( Feeneyite).
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According to the report, "Guido Pozzo points out that the key to reconciliation lies in understanding the Second Vatican Council. The interpretations that were promoted by some theologians, intellectuals and the media have encouraged ruptures similar to the Lefebvrians."
Lionel: The interpretation of Pope Benedict XVI in March 2016 was also a rupture with Tradition.
Here is a link, it is another example of the Vatican, CDF, Ecclesia Dei and the two popes interpreting Vatican Council II as a rupture with the past.
MAY 10, 2017
  • This will be a theological earthquake for Pope Benedict and the present magisterium which is sustaining heresy in the Catholic Church
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/05/this-will-be-theological-earthquake-for.html
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The archbishop affirmed Thursday that the misinterpretations about the council's 16 documents led to misperceptions of the council by the SSPX, which diverged from Church teaching.

Lionel: The SSPX affirmed the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation in its 2012 General Chapter Statement. This is doctrinally rejected by the CDF. Since Vatican Council II(Cushingite) is a rupture with the SSPX General Chapter Statement. It is not a rupture for me. Since I interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism.

The 150th anniversary of the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX was not celebrated by the CDF since Vatican Council II(Cushingite) is an exception to the Syllabus.For the CDF there is known salvation outside the Church. This is Vatican Council II( Cushingite). It is Vatican Council II interpreted with the irrational New Theology of Rahner and Ratzinger.So visible for us baptism of desire for the CDF would contradict the dogma EENS as it was expressed in the Syllabus of Errors. Salvation outside the Church would contradict ecumenism as it is expressed in the Syllabus of Errors.

I can interpret Vatican Council II without the New Theology and so the Council is not a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors on ecumenism, other religions and salvation etc.

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"This contradiction, this 'overlap,'" noted Pozzo, "has generated that climate of conflict, confusion and uncertainty about the Council's interpretation, which is at the root of the criticisms and difficulties raised by the Fraternity of St. Pius X."
Lionel: The confusion can be removed by announcing that the SSPX is free to interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism and is free to reject a Vatican Council II interpreted with Cushingism.Since with Vatican Council II Feeneyism there is a hermeneutic of continuity and with Vatican Council II Cushingism there is a hermeneutic of rupture.
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During an interview in March, Abp. Pozzo likewise contrasted the so-called "spirit of Vatican II" as being essentially the problem rather than what the "true council" actually taught.
Lionel: The 'true Council ' is in accord with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted by the magisterium of the 16th century.
The present magisterium according to Pope Benedic has rejected the interpretation of the dogma EENS according to the 16th century magisterium. This is manifest, public heresy. It is also an example of the 'spirit of Vatican Council II(Cushingite)' affirmed by Pope Benedict,Archbishop Guido Pozzo and the other cardinals and bishops at the CDF.
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"The problem is therefore not the Second Vatican Council as such, but a certain way of understanding, applying and practicing the Council, the so-called 'spirit of the Council,'" he explained. "Pope Benedict XVI has spoken of a 'true council' and a 'virtual council,' the latter being the fruit of the mass media, the modernist currents of theology, in other words the 'conciliation ideology' that superimposed the genuine mens (mind) of the Council's Fathers."
Lionel: More speciousness.
Pope Benedict is on record as interpreting Vatican Council II as a rupture with the past since the New Theology which he supported, uses an irrational premise to create a new and non traditional conclusion.
After so many years he will not answer if Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the irrational premise and non traditional conclusion, without mixing up invisible cases as being visible and without violating traditional philosophical reasoning.It is upon these philosophical errors, the false rationality that a new theology was created to interpret all magisterial documents.Now that he is 90 years it is about time that he set the record correct.
Vatican Council II (Cushingite) is deception. It is a falsehood.It is not Catholic. It is not ethical for any Catholic to promote it after knowing about it.
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In March 2009, Pope Benedict XVI wrote a letter explaining the SSPX separation is doctrinal in nature and not merely canonical or legal:
The fact that the Society of Saint Pius X does not possess a canonical status in the Church is not, in the end, based on disciplinary but on doctrinal reasons. ...(he means they have to accept the irrational new theology and then interpret Vatican Council II with this innovation, this deception and lie, just as he and Rahner, Kung, Kasper and Cushing have done)  In order to make this clear once again: Until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers — even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty — do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church. ...(doctrinal questions refer to  rejecting a Vatican Council II, Catechism of the Catholic Church and other magisterial documents interpreted with Feeneyism and instead choosing the irrational, new Cushingite theology which he approved for most of his life and publically defended on March 2016) In light of this situation, it is my intention henceforth to join the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei — the body which has been competent since 1988 for those communities and persons who, coming from the Society of Saint Pius X or from similar groups, wish to return to full communion with the Pope — to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. This will make it clear that the problems now to be addressed are essentially doctrinal in nature and concern primarily the acceptance of the Second Vatican Council and the post-conciliar magisterium of the Popes. (All the religious communities in the Catholic Church have to interpret magisterium documents with the false premise which is the basis of the new ecclesiology.It is a rupture with the past ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. This is Masonic.)
He continued:
The Church's teaching authority cannot be frozen in the year 1962 — this must be quite clear to the society.(Pope Benedict has frozen the Church's false teaching authority in 1962 when he and his friends chose irrational Cushingism to replace traditional Feeneyism as a theology.As Prefect of the CDF he could have told Archbishop Lefebvre that Vatican Council II could be interpreted with Feeneyism. It would not be a break with the old ecclesiology of the Church on ecumenism, inter-religious dialogue etc.Instead he excommunicated Archbishop Lefebvre.Lefebvre was correct.Vatican Council II(Cushingite) is a rupture with the past and should be rejected.) But some of those who put themselves forward as great defenders of the council also need to be reminded that Vatican II embraces the entire doctrinal history of the Church.(Yes it embraces the entire doctrinal history of the Church only with Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite). It does not do so with ith Ecclesia Dei's version of Vatican Council II.) Anyone who wishes to be obedient to the council has to accept the Faith professed over the centuries, and cannot sever the roots from which the tree draws its life.(Pope Benedict XVI severed it formally and in public in March 2016.No one says that an emeritus pope in public heresy cannot be a pope according to Catholic Canon Law)
-Lionel Andrades

 https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/vatican-official-sspx-must-sign-doctrinal-declaration

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'The dogma of the faith' is not lost: SSPX could trigger a schism and 'bring Rome back to the Faith'

'The dogma of the faith' has not been lost and the Society of St. Pius X  are at the point where they can trigger a schism among the liberal bishops conferences and religious communities but also bring Rome, the Vatican, back to the Catholic Faith with one stroke, one simple action, one small theological and philosophical correction.
(AP Photo/Alessandra Tarantino). Pope Francis walks past a statue of the Virgin Mary prior to the start of a mass at the Sanctuary of Our Lady of Fatima Saturday, May 13, 2017, in Fatima, Portugal. The pontiff will canonize on Saturday two poor, illite...
Our Lady at Fatima said that the dogma of the faith will be lost except in Portugal, if she was referring to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, then it is presently lost among all sections of Catholics.
We have discovered however,thanks to her and Jesus, the specific cause of the loss of this dogma of the faith.We have found the missing link and we can correct the mistake.Whether the present liberal magisterium accepts the error and makes the change, is not known.However Catholics in general can come back to the Faith as it was known over the centuries.Whether they will be persecuted and isolated for this is another issue.However for the average Catholic, theologically and doctrinally we are once again in harmony.
The SSPX could restore 'the dogma of the faith' since they have a personal interest in doing so - their canonical recognition.They simply have to affirm Vatican Council II( Feeneyite) which is in harmony with 'the dogma of the faith'.This will cause a rebellion.The world will be furious. May be there will even be a schism before unity is restored.
However as Archbishop Lefebvre wanted, 'Rome will come back to the faith'.
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We must remember Leonard Feeney of Boston. He took on the entire Boston Establishment.They threw everything at him and he did not recant.

This is the big moment for the SSPX and the sedevacantists. They can affirm all magisterial documents with the theology of Feeneyism and bring Rome and the whole Church back to the Catholic Faith.-Lionel Andrades






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