Monday, September 11, 2017

How can Mystici Corporis and the Catechisms of Trent and Pius X have exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS when BOD, BOB and I.I are invisible cases ? : traditionalists still supporting liberal theologians.

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The traditionalists agree that there are no known cases of the baptism of desire yet there are websites that mention the baptism of desire as an exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). They say that there are no known cases of the baptism of desire and if it happened it would be known only to God.Yet they provide long lists of references to the baptism of desire as if they are exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS.
This is the creation of the liberal theologians and the Masons to get rid of the dogma EENS but why are the traditionalists supporting them? Is it because they know that Archbishop Lefebvre made the mistake and they are trying to defend him?
How can Mystici Corporis, Quanta Curia and the Catechisms of Trent and Pius X be an exception to the dogma EENS when they mention the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance? 
When  the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, past or present, refer to invisible cases how can they be relevant to EENS?
When the popes and saints mentioned the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance it was in response to a question about them.They were also referring to hypothetical cases. They could only be hypothetical cases, this is something obvious.
However the liberal theologians interpreted them as being visible and known cases and so they became exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS. Now even traditionalist and sedevacantists  repeat this error.
At the traditionalist conference they will reject Vatican Council II since they will interpret LG 16 etc as being visible and known cases in the present times saved outside the Church.
They will also not affirm Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus since the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance refer to visible and known people saved outside the Church.
 They will repeat this error  even after they have been informed about it for so many years, every year.-Lionel Andrades


SEPTEMBER 11, 2017


When are the traditionalists going to change? When are they going to get rid of their smugness on doctrine and theology ?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/when-are-traditionalists-going-to.html

When are the traditionalists going to change? When are they going to get rid of their smugness on doctrine and theology ?

Fr.Jonathan Loop, SSPX and Fr.Gregory Pendergraft FSSP, speakers at the Catholic Identity annual pro-SSPX conference next month in the USA reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the missionaries in the 16th century.For them there is 'a development' with the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII. So for them there are practical exceptions to EENS even though they cannot name any body in the present times saved outside the Church without faith and baptism.Also claiming that invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I is a visible exception to EENS is rational for them.1
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Similarly for Chris Ferrara and Michael Matt there is a development in theology since they accept the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which has made an objective mistake.
It is the same with other traditionalists.Ann Barnhardt has accepted the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 as being magisterial and she has accepted its reasoning. So for her invisible for us baptism of desire is a visible exception to the dogma EENS. It would have to be visible otherwise how could it be an exception. For the cardinals who issued the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 there were exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS. Fr.Leonard Feeney was criticized.Pope Pius XII and Archbishop Lefebvre did not support him. For all of them the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance (I.I) were exceptions and relevant to the dogma EENS.
Now traditionalists who offer/attend the Tridentine Rite Mass today interpret unknown cases of BOD, BOB and I.I as being exceptions to the dogma EENS.This is irrational and an innovation in the Church. This is the new theology promoted by Fr.Karl Rahner and ecclesiastical Masonry.
This is the theology understood annually at the Catholic Identity Conference.There has been no denial from them when I have written about the same thing in previous years.
This is their new identity. Since there are exceptions to the dogma EENS ( even when they cannot name any) there cannot be the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King.Why proclaim it when people can be saved outside the Church the liberals ask? The traditionalists Ferrara, Barnhardt, Verrecchio agree.There is known salvation outside the Church for them.
Since there are exceptions to the dogma EENS( even though they cannot name any such case in 2017) there cannot be the old ecumenism of return.Why proclaim it when Christians can be saved in their religion outside the Church, and even Lefevbre suggested it, the liberals ask? The traditionalists who attend these conferences agree. There are known cases of Christians being saved outside the Church for them.
This is a false theology.
There is  a false premise being used here.The conclusion is non traditional and it is accepted  by those who attend only the Traditional Latin Mass and often criticize the Mass in the vernacular.
This is not the teaching of the Catholic Church. This is an innovation. It is magisterial and sadly it is traditional for the traditionalists.
When are they going to change? When are they going to get rid of their smugness on doctrine and theology ?
-Lionel Andrades


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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/catholics-not-obliged-to-follow-chris.html

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SEPTEMBER 9, 2017



Una Voce Intermultiplices/Internationalis are denying post Vatican Council II Catholic faith : promoting deception

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/una-voce-intermultiplices-is-denying.html



SEPTEMBER 9, 2017


There can be no Catholic identity without Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Feeneyite Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/here-can-be-no-catholic-identity.html


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SEPTEMBER 12, 2014

The Call to Holiness and Catholic Identity Conference speakers will use a false premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II, Redemptoris Missio, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Dominus Iesus...
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/the-call-to-holiness-and-catholic.html


SEPTEMBER 12, 2014

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Both Conferences being held this week end don't have a Catholic Identity http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/both-conferences-being-held-this-week.html

The Call to Holiness and Catholic Identity Conference speakers will use a false premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II, Redemptoris Missio, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Dominus Iesus... http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/the-call-to-holiness-and-catholic.html

Two Catholic Conferences this week end - how would they interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/two-catholic-conferences-this-week-end_54.html

Two Catholic Conferences this week end: how would they interpret Redemptoris Missio? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/two-catholic-conferences-this-week-end_11.html

Two Catholic Conferences this week end : how would they interpret Dominus Iesus ? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/two-catholic-conferences-this-week-end.html

Two Conferences and an irrational premise
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/two-conferences-and-irrational-premise.html

Two Catholic Conferences : Both interpret Vatican Council II with an irrational premise.One accepts the Council the other rejects it
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/two-catholic-conferences-both-interpret.html

SEPTEMBER 10, 2014
Two Conferences and an irrational premise
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/two-conferences-and-irrational-premise.html





Catholics not obliged to follow Chris Ferrara, Michael Matt : innovative and politically correct theology

Catholics are not obliged to follow Chris Ferrara and Michael Matt's new theology based on there being practical exceptions to the dogma EENS, which is part of the formation at SSPX and FSSP seminaries.This is also the objective mistakes of the popes since the pontificate of Pius XII.
Catholics are not obliged to say, like the organizers of this Conference, that invisible cases of the baptism of desire (BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are exceptions to the past ecclesiology and the Syllabus of Errors (on ecumenism and non Christians being outside the Church).
Yet this is the innovative position of those who claim they support Tradition and who will organise or attend this conference.
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Like the Focolares,Neo Catechumenale Way and the Catholic Charismatic Renewal Movement the organizers and speakers including Fr.Jonathan Loop, SSPX and Fr.Gregory Pendergraft FSSP, reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the missionaries in the 16th century.For them there is 'a development' with the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII. So for them there are practical exceptions to EENS even though they cannot name any body in the present times saved outside the Church without faith and baptism.Also claiming that invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I is a visible exception to EENS is rational for them.

Contd
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/catholic-identity-conference-in-october.html


SEPTEMBER 9, 2017



There can be no Catholic identity without Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Feeneyite Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/here-can-be-no-catholic-identity.html



 SEPTEMBER 9, 2017



Una Voce Intermultiplices/Internationalis are denying post Vatican Council II Catholic faith : promoting deception

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/una-voce-intermultiplices-is-denying.html



SEPTEMBER 8, 2017



Jacob Rees-Mogg MP could follow the Catholic Church's post Vatican Council II teachings on there being exclusive salvation in the Church just as he opposes abortion

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/jacob-rees-mogg-mp-could-follow.html



SEPTEMBER 8, 2017



England's Trump : Could Jacob Rees-Mogg MP proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King based on Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Feeneyite) ?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/englands-trump-could-jacob-rees-mogg-mp.html


SEPTEMBER 8, 2017



Even the liberals and Masons say there is no salvation outside the Church and mean something else : Michael Voris is theologically saying the same

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/even-liberals-and-masons-say-there-is.html



SEPTEMBER 8, 2017



Practically, in real life God is bound to the Sacraments for salvation.Without the Sacraments there is no salvation

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/practically-in-real-life-god-is-bound.html


SEPTEMBER 8, 2017


The Catholic Church teaches that all non Catholics are oriented to Hell, with no known exceptions, unless they become members of the Church, this is not a personal opinion only

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/the-catholic-church-teaches-that-all.html




ITALY TACKLES HATE SPEECH, TARGETS CONSERVATIVES

ITALY TACKLES HATE SPEECH, TARGETS CONSERVATIVES



by Juliana Freitag  •  ChurchMilitant.com  •  September 6, 2017    

Minister of Justice Andrea Orlando on crusade to censor 'homophobic' speech

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Italy's Minister of Justice is making pro-gay ideology a priority. Andrea Orlando recently gave an interview to newspaper Corriere della Sera where he expressed concerns over all the "hate speech" against gays daily spewed online. Upholding the decision of Italy's president of the Chamber of Deputies, feminist deputy Laura Boldrini — who recently decided to take legal action against her online haters — the minister defined Boldrini's move as "sacrosanct." 
 
Following last year's move from the European Commission, which created a code of conduct to control "illegal hate speech" on the internet (with the co-operation of Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter and YouTube), Orlando decided to gather together several associations in Italy to tackle the problem internally.
 
"[T]he substratum of hate propaganda is formed by black legends that aim to discredit sexual, religious, ethnic, cultural or sexual minorities ... [T]his is the aspect that I'm interested in," the minister declared.
 
So, the experts of minority lobbying were summoned to counter what seems to be the most important law enforcement emergency in Italy: frustrated citizens venting on the internet — more important than the rampant wave of rape committed by African and Arab men, or the Islamic net in the country that covers up for terrorists, or the fact that Italian NGOs are treacherously smuggling people into Europe. The priority now it seems is to prevent people from declaring that two men can't have a baby for the sake of civilization. 
 
Among the 51 associations chosen to join what has predictably been coined the "Ministry of Truth" (in reference to the dystopian novel 1984 by George Orwell), the only two Catholic associations in the list are the Foundation Centre Astalli (the Jesuit Service for Refugees in Italy) and the Community of Sant' Egidio, an entity officially connected to the United Nations and which has always sided with left-wing politics (their spiritual guide is co-founder Abp. Vincenzo Paglia, who has overseen the appointment of pro-abortion, pro-contraception members to the Pontifical Council for Life). 
 
Some of the other organisations are: Amnesty International, Unar (The National Anti-Racial Discrimination Office — caught last February assigning public funds to a LGBT association who served as a facade for a net of male prostitution), socialist non-profit Arci, Ucoi (Italian Union of Islamic Communities, ideologically aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood), CII (Italian Islamic Confederation), COREIS (Italian Religious Islamic Community), CIR (Italian Council for Refugees) and ACSIM (Association Centre Services for Migrants in the Marche Region). Obviously, the great democracy martyrs of our time, the almighty LGBT organizations were also called to the task: A total of seven gay groups are included in the commission. Not surprisingly, many in this list receive funds from the Open Society Foundation, founded by globalist billionaire George Soros. 
 
Not only are these lobbies skilled censors, most of them, contrasting with the "tolerance" they constantly demand, are very experienced when it comes to spreading hate. ArciLesbica (the largest Italian association for feminist lesbians) recently attracted the fury of their own fellows in Arcigay (Italy's first and largest gay association) for arguing against surrogacy, currently illegal in Italy and the dearest political battle of the gay rights front in the Italian Democratic Party. A quick search on Facebook is enough to see them exchanging insults they'd happily put Christians in jail for.
 
Recently, a Muslim cultural mediator for an Italian cooperative responsible for the reception of migrants declared on Facebook that women enjoyed rape. For years now, the profiles of Catholic journalists and pro-life groups have been the target of the most abominable death threats from some of these who are now the new "guardians" of social media. Arcigay's current cover photo on its official  Facebook page is a banner for their crowdfunding to sustain a lawsuit against Massimo Gandolfini, the Catholic neurosurgeon who founded the Catholic lay committee Difendiamo I nostri figli, and whose restless fight against gender ideology is offensive to LGBT activists. The newspaper La Verità, the only Italian daily that provided thorough reports of Orlando's maneuver, wondered if these associations will be watching and reporting on one another or if they will unite against the common enemy: the Catholic Church. And we all know the answer to that. 


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Juliana Freitag

Juliana Freitag is Church Militant's Italian correspondent.

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/italy-tackles-hate-speech-targets-conservatives

Jacob Rees Mogg on Good Morning Britain - 06/09/2017




 SEPTEMBER 8, 2017

Jacob Rees-Mogg MP could follow the Catholic Church's post Vatican Council II teachings on there being exclusive salvation in the Church just as he opposes abortion
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/jacob-rees-mogg-mp-could-follow.html

SEPTEMBER 8, 2017

England's Trump : Could Jacob Rees-Mogg MP proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King based on Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Feeneyite) ? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/englands-trump-could-jacob-rees-mogg-mp.html