Sunday, March 13, 2016

The voice of the Church, in the ancient liturgy, says there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and there are no exceptions.

The paper's conclusion is simple: that while the actions of many Catholics have been gravely sinful, the voice of the Church in the ancient liturgy, a voice from the age of the Fathers of the Church, cannot be tarred with the brush of anti-Semitism. Let us repudiate violence and hatred: to do so does not require us to repudiate the Church's traditional liturgy.-Joseph Shaw
'the voice of the Church in the ancient liturgy, a voice from the age of the Fathers of the Church, cannot be tarred with the brush of anti-Semitism'
The voice of the Church, in the ancient liturgy, says there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and there are no exceptions.
When St. Maximillian Kolbe offered the Traditional Latin Mass in the 1930's it was with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS)  and he did not consider the baptism of desire etc as an exception or relevant to the dogma.
Today for Joseph Shaw and the FIUV there are known exceptions to the dogma EENS . This is not the ancient ecclesiology associated with the ancient liturgy.
Can Joseph Shaw and the FIUV affirm the ancient ecclesiology and say all Jews need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation, they all need to be formal members of the Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell?
No he cannot!
Since it would be anti Semitic for some people.So he presents the ancient liturgy with heresy, compromise and irrationality as do the bishops of England and Wales.
-Lionel Andrades

Traditionalist theology being controlled

Traditionalist theology being controlled

The Left which promotes things Satanic also advocates Eastern forms of meditation in the municipal libraries  and secular institutions in Rome. The same enemies of Jesus and the Church who support abortion, homosexuality and Islam have the  Foederatio Internationalis Una Voce (FIUV) and the Latin Mass Society of England and Wales (LMS) affirming the necessity of believing in Jesus ( even in vague way) without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church for salvation.They are pleased when the FIUV  says in a  vague way that Jews need to believe in Jesus  for salvation.Since with the new theology ( Cushing version) they can remain Jews and they will  be saved  by Jesus.

The liberal and pro Masonic bishops in England could be praising Joseph Shaw for the New Position Paper on the Catholic Prayer for the conversion of the Jews ( The Good Friday Prayer for the Conversion of the Jews).The Paper is based on irrational and vague Cushingite theology.
The new Position Paper is a break with Jesus' teaching on the necessity of all being baptised with water and converting into the Catholic Church.
 He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.-Mark 16:16.
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God-John 3:5, Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible).
Through omission, by not mentioning the necessity of exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church, the FIUV Position Paper encourages Catholics to convert  to  the Jewish Left ideology.When they reject the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus they also reject the teaching on the Social Kingship of Christ the King and the non separation of Church and State.Why must non Catholics convert into the Church if there is salvation outside the Church ? Why must political systems have Jesus and the Church as their centre when all do not need to convert to be saved from Hell? 
Recently at the church Santa Maria ai Monti, in Central Rome, where the body of St.Benedict Labre lies, an Israeli diplomat spoke on Judaism and Christianity.It would be with the FIUV  theology.The Church is not necessary for salvation. Jesuit priests also speak in churches with the same liberal theology of Joseph Shaw.
At a church in Cornelia, Rome a menorah is placed on a side altar.Ana Foa speaks at Catholic churches and writes for the L'Osservatore Romano. The conversion of Jews to Christianity is opposed, from a position of power and the  Jewish left welcomes the conversion of Catholics to their ideology. On websites they announce the names of Catholics who have converted and left the Catholic Church. The FIUV Paper is indirectly supporting all this .
Joseph Shaw who teaches theology approved by the Masons has been promoting the Traditional Latin Mass without the old ecclesiology, the exclusivist ecclesiology. He will not interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism i.e there are no known exceptions, past or present, to the strict interpretation  of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).So he stays employed at Oxford University.The same is the case with other Catholic professors, Thomas Pink and John Rao ( Roman Forum).
The same people who promote the occult, through Transcendental Meditation of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Tarot Card reading, Kabbalah, Tantric practises and philosophies which reject the one true religion of God,which has the fullness of the truth- are now controlling the theology of Catholic traditionalists.Since the traditionalists are not opposing it.They want to protect their sources of income, associations with some group or movement etc.
Like the recent Vatican Document on inter religious dialogue with the Jews, the FIUV Paper is inadequate and needs to be rejected.Since the FIUV does not affirm the traditional exclusivist ecclesiology  of the Catholic Church according to the perennial magsiterium and Vatican Council II.
It has a hermeneutic of rupture when it supports innovative theology.The dead man walking and visible theology,fantasy theology.
It is the Rorate Caeili- Roman Forum approach to Vatican Council II  with a theology based on an irrationality.They interpret Dignitatis Humanae, Lumen Gentium, Nostra Aetate,Unitatis Redintigratio and the rest of Vatican Council II always assuming there is known salvation outside the Church. So they infer that not everyone needs to be a ' card carrying' member of the Chuch in the present times, as if they know of someone  saved outside the Church. So the fault is not there with the text of Vatican Council but with their inference.
I avoid the inference when interpreting Vatican Council II .So for me the Council  is traditional.It has an exclusivist ecclesiology for me.It says all Jews need faith and baptism for salvation (AG 7, LG 14) and Catholics are the new people of God , the new Chosen People of God (NA 4). It does not say that LG 16, LG 8, NA 2, UR 3 etc refer to objective cases, visible in the flesh.So there are no known exceptions to the  Feeneyite understanding of EENS. Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) says  Jews need to formally convert into the Catholic Church to avoid  the fires of Hell.This point is always missing in Joseph Shaw's theology and in the FIUV papers. It is not there also  in Rorate Caeili's posts on Vatican Council II.
Vatican Council II encourages us this Good Friday, to pray for  the Conversion of Jews and Christian communities. We pray for their formal entry into the Catholic Church to avoid the fires of Hell.-Lionel Andrades