Tuesday, April 17, 2012

PROPAGANDA AGAINST THE SSPX CONTINUES: 'the Society of St. Pius X, opposes some of the core teachings of the Second Vatican Council, particularly its outreach to Jews '


It is surprising how they still do not consider Vatican Council II as saying all Jews need to convert for salvation and that Catholics are the Chosen People of God.

'the group, the Society of St. Pius X, opposes some of the core teachings of the Second Vatican Council, particularly its outreach to Jews.'-Times of Malta online
 The secular media still continues the stereotype projection of the Society of St.Pius X.

Vatican Council II is in agreement with the SSPX position on religious liberty, ecumenism and other religions including Judaism. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/vatican-council-ii-is-in-agreement-with.html
 The text of the Council supports the Society of St.Pius X position on ecumenism and other religions and indicates that they have the religious liberty to proclaim these teachings to all.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/sspx-please-inform-ecclesia-dei-that.html
-Lionel Andrades

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20120416/world/pope-turns-85-and-prays-for-strength.415718

VATICAN COUNCIL II IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE SSPX POSITION ON RELIGIOUS LIBERTY, ECUMENISM AND OTHER RELIGIONS

The Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) has criticized the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) recent document on religious liberty.Here is the text of their review with brief comments.

“Our First,Most Cherished Liberty”:

A problematic document

The USCCB’s Ad Hoc Committee for Religious Liberty has just published “A Statement on Religious Liberty” titled, “Our First, Most Cherished Liberty”. This exhortation is filled with erroneous statements and tragic historical examples from our country’s history when certain Catholic principles were compromised – which the USCCB holds up as shining examples of Catholicism.

In the first place, the Faith teaches that our most cherished liberty is our liberation from Original Sin and the consequences that follow (eternal death), which Our Savior and Lord Jesus Christ has obtained for us through His Passion, Death, and Resurrection.

Lionel: Yes our most cherished liberty is our liberation from Original Sin and the consequences that follow and this is also the message of Vatican Council II (AG 7).

As for man’s “liberty”, mankind has been endowed with free will, but only to use for good – that which corresponds with Truth (i.e., Christ and His Church) – but not to do evil. Or as the Catechism asks: “Why did God create you?” Thus error never has any rights. However, the secularistic and anti-Catholic principle of religious liberty denies this reality and instead, makes error equal to Truth.

Lionel:Dignitatis Humanae,Vatican Council II  can be interpreted as saying man has the freedom to use his conscience wisely, to use his good conscience.

Certainly we must fight for the liberty of the Catholic Church – that is, the ability for her to fulfill her divine mission to save souls, promote the faith (particularly in society) and enact the corporal acts of mercy. However, this is a much different thing than defending religious liberty, a false notion that originated with the Protestants and condemned as an error under the generic title of “Liberalism”.[1]

Unfortunately, the USCCB is exhorting Catholics to legitimately defend the Church’s liberty via the false principle of “religious liberty” – and in doing so, has presented a series of historical fallacies from our country’s ecclesiastical history which exemplifies another error: “Americanism”, condemned by Pope Leo XIII in Testem Benevolentiae Nostrae.

Regarding these historical examples of Americanism, we refer our readers to the excellent articles of the late Dr. Justin Walsh published in The Angelus magazine from February 1999 to September 2000[2]; chief amongst them is “Heresy Blossoms Like a Rose”.

Dr. Walsh’s articles deal specifically with the historical infection of Americanism amongst the United States hierarchy and many of their practical consequences. From these it is easy to see how the Americanist error eventually crossed the Atlantic and strongly influenced the Second Vatican Council’s document on religious liberty, Dignitatis Humanae, which most of the American hierarchy strongly supported and advocated.

Lionel : Dignitatis Humanae can also be interpreted as a continuity with Tradition.

Since there is only salvation in the Catholic Church and we believe that there are no known exceptions on earth and this being the message of Vatican Council II we believe in in principle there should be no separation of Church and State.All political and social institutions should be subject to the pope or his representative and be based on the teachings or ethos of the Catholic Church.

De jure in principle this is what we maintain and how we interpret Dignitatis Humanae while recognizing that secular political governments have the defacto right to make laws, even though they are opposed to the teachings of the Catholic Church.Defacto the Church has no power as in the past.

It is tragic that the United States’ bishops who attended the Council (and those who came after) did not heed their fellow American, Msgr. Joseph Fenton (+1969), who vigorously fought the errors of religious liberty via his editorship of the American Ecclesiastical Review and his books. Instead the hierarchy thought that cozying up to the liberal establishment would bring to the American Church peace. But as it was not based upon Truth, it was ultimately a false peace and doomed to fail as we are seeing today.

Lionel: Bishops who attended the Council and also Msgr.Joseph Fenton unfortunately did not realize the error of visibly known invincible ingnorance and the baptism of desire. They did not realize that they are not explicit exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is the error picked up also by the SSPX priests Fr.Peter Scott and Fr.Francois Laisney.

When they considered that there were defacto exceptions to the dogma, then they had to assume that Vatican Council II contradicts this defined dogma. Then they have to accept liberals making the same error and saying that the Catholic Church has changed its teaching on the dogma. So the SSPX position on ecumenism and inter religious dialogue is rejected. So is their position on religious liberty.

In reality Vatican Council II is in agreement with the SSPX position on ecumenis, inter religious dialogue and religious liberty.It's how you interpret Vatican Council II.

It is thus that we are today witnessing the fulfillment of the famous quip “the revolution eats it own”. We are now face-to-face with the outcome of the American bishops’ support of religious liberty as they are being coerced to jettison the Church’s moral teachings. Furthermore, the USCCB’s unstinting praise and support of our country’s supposed religious liberty doctrine is paradoxically ironic, as this has always been elusive for American Catholics.

From the first – starting with Lord Baltimore’s Maryland colony before it even left the English dockside - the principle of religious liberty was applied unequally to the Protestants. These same Protestants – while enjoying religious freedom - also ensured that the local colonial laws in our country generally forbade Catholics from practicing their religion in public or holding civil office. But even worse, they supplanted America’s original Catholic soul (paid with the blood of first Spanish, then French missionaries) and heritage with their heretical Calvinist one.[3]

Despite all this, for the defense and continuance of America's religious liberty the USCCB has requested:

…the fourteen days from June 21—the vigil of the Feasts of St. John Fisher and St. Thomas More—to July 4, Independence Day, be dedicated to this "fortnight for freedom"—a great hymn of prayer for our country. Our liturgical calendar celebrates a series of great martyrs who remained faithful in the face of persecution by political power—St. John Fisher and St. Thomas More, St. John the Baptist, SS. Peter and Paul, and the First Martyrs of the Church of Rome. Culminating on Independence Day, this special period of prayer, study, catechesis, and public action would emphasize both our Christian and American heritage of liberty.

This suggestion is astonishing because all of these saints opposed the error of religious liberty – in fact, one could say they died because of this error since they were martyred for Christ, Who is the only Way and Truth. Thus they were unwilling to compromise – either morally and more importantly, doctrinally – or to admit that any other way (“paths to salvation” as Vatican II puts it) was acceptable.

Lionel: True the saints refused to accept that there are 'other paths to salvation'. However when the SSPX assumes that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus then they too imply that there are 'paths to salvation' and every one on earth does not have to enter the Church.

Secondly no where in Vatican Council II is it said that other religions are paths to salvation equal to the Catholic Church or that there are cases known in other religions who are exceptions to the Church teaching that every one needs Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation?

We must pray – particularly to the saints that the USCCB suggests - that the American bishops will clearly speak with the authority of the Church that has been bestowed upon them to defend the true and only Ark of Salvation against her enemies with her own principles rather than of her opponents.

-Lionel Andrades
http://www.sspx.org/news/our_first_cherished.htm

SSPX PLEASE INFORM ECCLESIA DEI THAT VATICAN COUNCIL II SAYS ALL JEWS NEED TO CONVERT AND THAT CATHOLICS ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD

The text of the Council supports the Society of St.Pius X position on ecumenism and other religions and indicates that they have the religious liberty to proclaim these teachings to all.

NO DOCTRINAL DIFFERENCES EXIST

There are no doctrinal differences between the Vatican and the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) if Ecclesia Dei announces that Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) (1) is in agreement with the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also with Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II on invincible ignorance and those saved with a good conscience (2).

LG 16 is not an explicit exception to the dogma or AG 7.Since we do not know any case saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience.We accept these cases as possibilities. Defacto we can never know anyone saved with a good conscience etc.They are known only in Heaven.

Secondly Nostra Aetate 4 says Catholics are the ‘new people of God’.Catholics are the Chosen People now.

Thirdly Cardinal Karl Josef Becker, S.J.says the Church of Christ is identified with the Catholic Church. The Church of Christ is the Catholic Church. The Jesuit priest who was made a cardinal during the last consistory is saying extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The true Church of Christ exists in only the Catholic Church he says and elements of this one true Church could exist in the Orthodox Christian churches and those in partial communion with the Catholic Church.

The cardinal designate is affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which says all need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation. The dogma Cantate Domino, Council of Florence specifically mentions the Orthodox Christians and Protestants and states they need to convert.

According to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus the Church of Christ is the Catholic Church.

Lumen Gentium 8 and 16 suggest that there is the possibility of a non Catholic being saved however since these cases are not defacto known to us Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma.We can accept these cases as possibilities and never ever known defacto in the present time.

These three points are in agreement with the SSPX position that all non Catholics need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation. This was the traditional teaching and it is the teaching after Vatican Council II.

SSPX please ask Ecclesia Dei to publicly endorse the text of Vatican Council II which says all non Catholics need to convert into the Church for salvation , Catholics are the new people of God and the true Church of Christ is the Catholic Church.
-Lionel Andrades
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1.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Himself a man, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:45), "neither is there salvation in any other" (Acts 4:12). Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.

2.

Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.