Monday, February 27, 2017

For the Evangelicals the Catholic Church was inspired in the past but the same doctrines and Bible is no more inspired by the Holy Spirit

Yesterday I was talking to an Evangelical Christian. He was a young Rumanian baptised as an Orthodox Christian but who was now an evangelical Christian.
He was quoting the Bible but did not seem to know that the manuscripts for his Bible were approved by a Church Council.
He did not know that his concept of the Trinity and the prayer, the Our Father, also comes from the Catholic Church.
He said that he believed in Jesus without religion. I asked him how was it possible for any one to believe in Jesus without a religion. For example his Bible comes from a religion.Even his evangelical church was a religion and their liturgy was influenced by the Catholic Church.
He said he simply wanted to follow Jesus. He wanted to follow Jesus without the Church which gave us the Bible, amd the Eucharist  which was meaningless in his life .He did not want to follow the Church from where his Christian prayers were preserved?
Daniel said that he believed in the one true Church of Jesus. How would he know which was the one , true church. Would he have to depend on Luther? And then too how would he know if it is correct?
I believe that the Catholic Church was inspired by the Holy Spirit and so the Church chose the inspired manuscripts and we have the Bible in its present form. He agreed. The Church was inspired at that time. So we have a Church inspired in the past by the Holy Spirit but not inspired in the present times for him to join it ?
He believed that the Church was inspired to interpret the Bible for canturies but then after Luther it was no more inspired to affirm what it affirmed for centuries?
He said only faith in Jesus is enough. I said this would be true for a person who dies immediately after his initial conversion. However over time he would have to live the teachings of Jesus as did the first community.
These are just some of the things I enjoyed talking about.He had a conversion experience and has given up his old sinful way of living. He was correct on so many things. Even though he was not a Catholic I could agree with him.
I appreciated his conversion but told him that as a Catholic I believe outside the Church there is no salvation. We both agreed that it was not enough to know about Jesus but it was important to live Jesus' teachings and avoid sin.
But in which Church?
-Lionel Andrades

The new theology is not really a theology.Yet it is the 'theology' which the traditionalist and conservative Catholics follow

The new theology is not really a theology.Yet it is the 'theology' which the traditionalist and conservative Catholics  follow.It cannot be a theology since it is based upon a fantasy, that of being able to see people in Heaven or on earth saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.Then they infer that there is salvation outside the Church. This is the theology of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr.Leonard Feeney and that of Vatican Council II. It was approved by Cardinal Ratzinger and the popes and also by Archbishop Lefebvre. All the sedevacantists and traditionalists, including the Society of St.Pius X and the St. Benedict Centers, of Fr.Leonard Feeney, unknowingly or knowingly use this non-theology.
For all of them the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance refer to visible cases and so they assume these visible cases on earth are objective exceptions to all needing to be incorporated into the Church as members for salvation.
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 actually says all do not need to be incorporated into the Church and the whole Church including the magisterium has overlooked this new heresy posing as the new theology. No one has specifically questioned it.
The St.Benedict Centers and the SSPX have been fencing with tension among some supporters of the two sides.All have assumed that there are known cases of the catechuman with the desire for the baptism of water who dies before receiving it and is saved.This is  and was a hypothetical case in the first place.One can assume with good will that such a person is saved but it would still be a theoretical case.It could not be an explicit exception, for example, 2017 for the need for all non Catholics to formally enter the Church with faith and baptism.
Similarly LG 16, LG8, UR 3, Na 2 etc are all hypothetical cases yet Bishop Fellay the Superior General of the SSPX, and Fr. Pierpaolo Petrucci, the Superior, SSPX Italy among others have assumed they are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They have mentioned this error online.
Similalry the St.Benedict Centers supporters in contact with the religious Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary have rejected Vatican Council II since they consider the Council an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.LG 16 was a problem for them. Similarly CCC 1257 and 846 would also be a problem for them because of the new theology which they use.
Vatican Council is not a rupture with the past. 
It is the new theology which they use  to interpret the Council which creates the wrong conclusion and inference. The result is that the magisterium  affirms this  heresy, this non traditional conclusion created by the theology,  and enforces it.While the SSPX and SBC are trying to comply or make sense of it all, while overlooking the precise origin of the new theology which they all use.
-Lionel Andrades