Sunday, September 3, 2017

Louie Verrecchio is off target : with UR 3 invisible Holy Mass in English, Latin and Greek has the past understanding of salvation

Louie Verrecchio

Specifically, he points to the Church’s condemnations of religious liberty and the Council’s subsequent about face, as well as the “similar evolution [that] occurred on the issue of the possibility of salvation outside of the Catholic Church” (presumably referring, at least in part, to the Council’s claim that the heretical communities are “means of salvation” in UR 3). 1-Louie Verrecchio, Archbishop “Tucho” Fernandez on Amoris Laetitia,August 24, 2017
Louie Verrecchio simply has to say that Vatican Council II(UR 3) refers to invisible people in 2017 .This is the big step. He then can see Holy Mass in Italian, Latin and Greek as having the past exclusivist understanding of salvation.It is only with a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II that he can have a common understanding of Church in any rite and liturgy; a common ecclesiology.Once again the Church would be the only Ark of Noah that saves in the flood.Every body needs to convert into the Church to avoid Hell.
This would happen when for him Vatican Council II (UR 3,LG 16, LG 8, NA 2 etc) refers to invisible instead of visible people.They would be hypothetical instead of personally known people saved outside the Church.
Louie Verrecchio interprets Vatican Council II with an irrationality(invisible people are visible, hypothetical cases are not non hypothetical).So the Church is no more, the only Ark of Noah that saves in the flood.He may affirm outside the Church there is no salvation according to the dogma.But with this irrational theology, he also contradicts the dogma at the same time.
Verrecchio simply has to say that UR 3 refers to an invisible person in 2017 and the Mass in English, Latin and Greek has the past exclusivist ecclesiology on salvation.

NOVUS ORDO MASS WITH PAST ECCLESIOLGY
The Novus Ordo Mass can be offered today with the past understanding of the Church.It is the only Ark of Noah that saves in the flood.But for this to happen the interpretation of Vatican Concil II has to be rational(invisible people are invisible).So the fault does not lie with the Mass or Vatican Council II but with him.

On August 24, 2017 Louie Verrecchio in his blog post Archbishop “Tucho” Fernandez on Amoris Laetitia, referred to  'the Council’s claim that the heretical communities are “means of salvation” in UR 3'.

TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF VATICAN COUNCIL II
But the text of Unitatis Redintigratio 3 can be re interpreted in two ways.
One way is rational and the other is irrational.
One way refers to invisible people and the other to visible people.Louie chooses the irrational one.It is the common superficial interpretation of the Council.
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UNITATIS REDINTIGATIO 3 : TWO WAYS
UR 3 ( 'For men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect') and these people are assumed to be personally known, according to Cardinal Burke and Louie Verrechio.For me they refer to hypothetical cases.If saved as such they would be known only to God and they would be members of the Catholic Church.

UR 3( 'separated Churches and Communities...have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation')  this is a speculative reference, a theoretical possibility known only to God. This is how I would interpret this passage.However for Cardinal Raymond Burke, Bishop Athanasius Schneider and the SSPX bishops this could be a reference to an explicit case, someone personally known who has been saved or will be saved outside the Church.This reasoning would be irrational for me. 2
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At the seminaries and universities of the Legion of Christ in Rome they will discriminate against a seminarian who interprets Unitatis Redintigratio 3 (the separated Churches and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation./ the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation/ For men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfectas referring to theoretical and hypothetical cases only. The Legion of Christ like the Jesuits and other religious communities interpret UR 3 like Louie Verrecchio.

THERE WAS A CHOICE
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Louie Verrecchio had  a choice. When he read 'separated Churches and Communities...have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation' he could have asked himself to whom is this referring to? Is it to someone in the past or present, known to be saved outside the Church? Do we know any one who is saved among the Protestants without Catholic faith ? Can we see someone in Heaven or on earth saved as such ? The answer is no .There can be no such person since if someone was saved in another religion it would be with 'faith and baptism' and the person would be in Heaven as a Catholic.This was the teaching of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

THE TEXT OF VATICAN COUNCIL II IS NEUTRAL
So  Louie Verrechio could  have interpreted' 'separated Churches and Communities...have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation' as something speculative.It is a theoretical possibility with conditions (faith and baptism is needed for salvation).Anyway the text does not state that they refer to visible people saved outside the Church.

PRINCIPLE OF NON CONTRADICTION
With the theoretical and invisible for us view he does not reject  UR 3 and neither does he contradict the dogma EENS.He also does not promote the irrational New Theology based upon hypothetical cases being concrete and objective examples of salvation outside the Church.He does not contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction by inferring that what is invisible is also visible.
When he interprets Vatican Council II (UR 3, NA 2, LG 16, LG 8, AG 11 etc) in harmony with EENS then  the Council is not a rupture with Tradition( Syllabus of Errors, past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church etc).

THE MASS OF ST.PAUL
He puts himself in harmony with the past understanding of the Church on salvation.The Church, the Early Catholic communities during the times of St. Paul and the Apostles, was the only Ark of Noah that saves in the flood(CCC 845). This was the understanding of Jesus' Church at the time Mass in Greek was offered by St.Paul and the Apostles.This same understanding of the Church would also be there for the Novus Ordo Mass  when there is no confusion over UR 3.Archbishop Lefebvre did not know this.
Now when the FSSP priests offer the Tridentine Rite Mass  they do so believing like Louie Verrecchio  that UR 3  and LG 16 refer  to  known people saved outside the Church may be as a Protestant or 'an Anonymous Christian'.We have this false theology in the Church which is not being checked by Verrecchio.

TRIDENTINE RITE MASS ECCLESIOLOGY A RUPTURE WITH ST.PAUL
The Tridentine Rite Mass today is offered with the New Theology .It is  not with the past ecclesiology of the Church when St.Paul exhorted the Colossians not to partake in an unworthy manner of the Body and Blood of Jesus.

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So Louie Verrecchio can face East at Mass, receive the Eucharist kneeling and on his tongue but theologially he is still seeing the Church as not being the sole Ark of Noah that saves in the flood.There is known salvation outside the Church for him and Archbishop Fernandes.This is a rupture with the past.It is also magisterial and heretical.
SAYING UR 3 REFERS TO INVISIBLE CASES IS PROHIBITED IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
A priest could be suspended in Rome if he says that UR 3 refers to an invisible case and so is not an objective exception to the dogma EENS but what stops Louie Verrecchio from saying this?
Does he not want to affirm EENS because his wife is not a Catholic and he is living in adultery according to the dogma EENS, even if a priest at a Novus Ordo Mass has given him a dispensation ?
Why does he not affirm UR 3 as being a hypothetical case in 2017,is he being faithful to the error of Bishop Fellay and the SSPX?
The SSPX priests in ignorance also interpret UR 3 like Louie.This was Archbishop Lefebvre's original mistake.So is this the reason why Chris Ferrara, Michael Matt and the Rorate Caeili group will not say UR 3 refers to an unknown person in 2017?
Or are they afraid of the Jewish Left? They will be accused of being Anti Semitic.So for Fr. John Zuhlsdorf, and Bishop Morlino in the diocese of Madison,USA, invisible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are visible exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of EENS ?
Fr.Zuhlsdorf's understanding of salvation in the Catholic Church is a rupture with the understanding of salvation at the time of St. Paul.
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For the Apostles there were no personally known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I which were exceptions to all needing the baptism of water in the Catholic Church(John 3:5).
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There were no exceptions to the Church being the narrow gate and all who do not enter will be condemned(Mat.7:13).There were no exceptions to Jesus saying all who do not believe will be condemned(Mk.16:16).
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In the Gospel of John(Chapter 6) Jesus says the Eucharist is necessary for salvation.There are also many references in John's Gospel to Jesus telling the Jews that they need to believe in Him to be saved from Hell, he was the Promised Messiah they were waiting for.
If like the Apostles Fr. John Zuhlsdorf interprets BOD,BOB and I.I as referring to invisible cases, he could lose his incardination in the diocese of Velletri-Segni, Italy. 
But what is Louie Verrecchio afraid of? 
Why does he not affirm UR 3 as just being invisible cases ? This is something obvious.It's common sense.
There is so much confusion in his writings on the liturgy probably because he cannot make the invisible-visible distinction in philosophy and theology and then he blames the Mass.-Lionel Andrades


1.

AUGUST 25, 2017


Archbishop Fernandes and Louie Verrechio interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise : lesson for the SSPX and possible canonical status 

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/archbishop-fernandes-and-louie.html



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AUGUST 21, 2017


Formal correction of Cardinal Raymond Burke needed : not reported by media

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/formal-correction-of-cardinal-raymond.html


3.

 SEPTEMBER 2, 2017


Legion of Christ university problems in Rome : UPRA and EUR insist students accept an irrationality

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/legion-of-christ-university-problems-in.html

Messaggio di Medjugorje, 02 Settembre 2017 (Apparizione a Mirjana)

"Cari figli, chi potrebbe parlarvi meglio di me dell’amore e del dolore di mio Figlio? Ho vissuto con lui, ho patito con lui. Vivendo la vita terrena, ho provato il dolore, perché ero una madre. Mio Figlio amava i progetti e le opere del Padre Celeste, il vero Dio; e, come mi diceva, era venuto per redimervi. Io nascondevo il mio dolore per mezzo dell’amore. Invece voi, figli miei, voi avete diverse domande: non comprendete il dolore, non comprendete che, per mezzo dell’amore di Dio, dovete accettare il dolore e sopportarlo. Ogni essere umano, in maggior o minor misura, ne farà esperienza. Ma, con la pace nell'anima e in stato di grazia, una speranza esiste: è mio Figlio, Dio generato da Dio. Le sue parole sono il seme della vita eterna: seminate nelle anime buone, esse portano diversi frutti. Mio Figlio ha portato il dolore perché ha preso su di sé i vostri peccati. Perciò voi, figli miei, apostoli del mio amore, voi che soffrite: sappiate che i vostri dolori diverranno luce e gloria. Figli miei, mentre patite un dolore, mentre soffrite, il Cielo entra in voi, e voi date a tutti attorno a voi un po’ di Cielo e molta speranza. Vi ringrazio."
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