We do not know any case of a non Catholic saved by Jesus and the Church said Father Davide Carbonaro. Vatican Council II affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and does not contradict it.
Father Davide is the former Parish Priest at the Church of Santa Maria in Campitelli in the centre of Rome. He was speaking with me today afternoon .
He said those who are saved by Jesus and the Church were known to God only and God could save them in the manner he wished even though they were not visible members of the Catholic Church.
However this would be known to God only so it did not contradict the dogma Cantate Domino on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
San Giovanni Leanardi the founder of his community,L'Ordine della Madre di Dio, also believed in extra ecclesiam nulla salus said the Parish Priest. He understood the dogma as saying everyone with no exception needs to enter the Church for salvation.
Those who are saved implicitly are known only to God. Hence those saved with the baptism of desire, a good conscience, in imperfect communion with the Church, in invincible ignorance etc are known only to God. So Vatican Council II does not contradict the ex cathedra dogma Cantate Domino which indicates everyone needs to be an explicit member of the Catholic Church, with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water, to go to Heaven.
San Giovanni Leonardi was the founder of Propaganda Fide.
-Lionel Andrades
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Parrocchia di Santa Maria in Portico in Campitelli
SANTUARIO MARIANO E LEONARDINO
Piazza Campitelli, 9
00186 Roma Italia
Tel. e fax Parrocchia:
06.68 80 39 78
Tel. e fax Comunità:
06.68 74 28 5
E-mail:
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Wednesday, July 6, 2011
Its a mortal sin to deny the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It is a sacrilege to receive the Eucharist in this condition- Fr. Gabrielle, priest of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/its-mortal-sin-to-deny-dogma-extra.html#links
THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF- Fr.George Puthoor
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/06/there-is-no-baptism-of-desire-that-we.html#links
THERE IS NO DE FACTO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE KNOW OF-Fr. Masimilliano dei Gaspari F. I
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/05/there-is-no-de-facto-baptism-of-desire.html#links
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Wednesday, July 6, 2011
Its a mortal sin to deny the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It is a sacrilege to receive the Eucharist in this condition- Fr. Gabrielle, priest of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/its-mortal-sin-to-deny-dogma-extra.html#links
THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF- Fr.George Puthoor
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/06/there-is-no-baptism-of-desire-that-we.html#links
THERE IS NO DE FACTO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE KNOW OF-Fr. Masimilliano dei Gaspari F. I
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/05/there-is-no-de-facto-baptism-of-desire.html#links