Therefore, all must be converted to Him... and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
Outside the Church there is no salvation is the teaching of the Catholic Church today.
It depends upon how you interpret Vatican Council II.
If LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to physically visible and known non Catholicssaved outside the Church, without 'faith and baptism', then there is salvation outside the Church.
If LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical cases, non Catholics who are physically invisible and unknown in 2018, then outside the Church there is no known salvation. Do you know any one saved outside the Church? I don't.
So Vatican Council II says today that outside the Church there is no salvation.
All need faith and baptism for salvation.(Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II).
When I tell people that they cannot see or meet anyone saved with the baptism of desire. They agree. They say only God can see who is saved or not saved.
So if someone is saved in invincible ignorance or with the baptism of desire it would only be known to God.Since we cannot physically see people in Heaven.
Would you agree? Yes of course. Everyone agrees.
We cannot see or know anyone who is in Heaven without 'faith and baptism'.
Now the Church tells us that the normal way to go to Heaven is 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).
Every one needs the baptism of water and Catholic faith for salvation.Every adult. This is the general teaching of the Church from John 3:5, Mark 16:16, Mt. 7:13-14.
So the teaching of the Church today is that everyone needs faith and baptism for salvation and there are no practical exceptions to EENS.
The baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood (BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are not practical exceptions.
We can speculate and hope that someone will be saved in invincible ignorance etc but this would be personal and sentimental.We can never know. We cannot judge.
1) So every one needs faith and the baptism of water for salvation( Vatican Council II(AG 7), Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441 on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257,CCC 845,846 etc).
2) BOD, BOB and I.I refer to hypothetical cases which can be known only to God. They are not practical exceptions to EENS in 2018.
3. So when I read Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, I will assume the BOD, BOB and I.I refer to hypothetical cases only. Similarly in Vatican Council II LG 8 etc refers to only hypothetical cases. I call this way of reading Vatican Council II, Feeneyism.
Most Catholics when they read Vatican Council II and the Catechisms they assume BOD, BOB and I.I refer to non hypothetical cases. known people saved outside the Church. Similarly LG 8 etc refer to non hypothetical and objective cases.I call this way of reading Vatican Council II, Cushingism.
Feeneyism sees hypothetical cases as just being hypothetical.
Cushingism sees hypothetical cases as being physically visible non Catholics saved outside the Church.
So Cushingites read Vatican Council II as a rupture with the dogma EENS( Feeneyite).Since there are known exceptions outside the Church for them.
Feeneyites see Vatican Council II in harmony with EENS ( Feeneyite) and the past ecclesiology, since hypothetical cases cannot be exceptions to all needing to enter the Church in 2018, as members for salvation.
An invisible person is not an exception to EENS.
1.So we can read Vatican Council II ,the Catechism etc with Feeneyism or Cushingism.
2.So BOD, BOB and I.I can be Feeneyite or Cushingite.
3.Similarly LG 8,LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc can be interpreted with Feeneyism or Cushingism.
Cardinal Raymond Burke's statement at the Voice of the Family Conference is sound orthodoxy in harmony with Vatican Council II.
Vatican Council II is positive towards other religions in Nostra Aetate since with a false premise it has rejected the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).This cannot be the action of the Holy Spirit.This is human error. Since the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) never ever were objective exceptions to EENS.In principle the Council Fathers (1960-1965) assumed hypothetical cases were objective exceptions to EENS, not only in Nostra Aetate but in the rest of Vatican Council II e.g LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, Gs 22 etc.
So this is a flaw in Vatican Council II.
In principle they made a mistake.
They violated the Principle of Non Contradiction. Since a person saved with the baptism of desire(LG 14) etc would be in Heaven. He could not be on earth to be an exception to EENS. A person cannot be in two places at the same time.
Even though this is a flaw in Vatican Council II-the mixing up of what is invisble as being visible-we can still affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS knowing that Vatican Council II (LG 8 etc) are not exceptions.They are simply hypothetical cases. Similarly we can affirm Feeneyite EENS knowing that BOD, BOB and I.I never ever were exceptions.
Vatican Council II interpreted with hypothetical cases being considered exceptions to EENS I callVatican Council II (Cushingite).
Vatican Council II interpreted with hypothetical cases not being objective exceptions to EENS I callVatican Council II (Feneeyite).
Similarly there can also be a Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994), Feeneyite or Cushingite.
Likewise BOD, BOB and I.I can be interpreted as being Feeneyite or Cushingite.
Cushingism is the irrational and common interpretation of EENS.
However Cardinal Raymond Burke at the Voice of the Family Conference on May 18,2018 was interpreting Vatican Council II with Feeneyism.EENS was also Feeneyite for him, judging from what he said.
When he said that other religions were false, it meant that for him there was no contradiction in Vatican Council II and instead that this was a teaching of the Council. So with the Catholic Church being the only true Church(LG 8) he proclaimed the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation.
If he was asked to provide text in the Council which supports on extra ecclesiam nulla salus he simply would quote Vatican Council II, Ad Gentes 7.1 It is Feeneyite.
If he was asked how could he say that other religions were false he would quote Ad Gentes 7, which says all need faith and baptism for salvation. Vatican Council II is saying that the majority of people die outside the Church and so are oriented to Hell.
Since most people are on the way to Hell withour faith and baptism in the Catholic Church,the priority must be the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and the non separation of Church and State.
So he does not have to reject Vatican Council II( Feeneyite). He can interpret the Catechism(Feeneyite), BOD, BOB and I.I (Feeneyite) and EENS according to the missionaries and magisterium of the 16th century. So his ecclesiology at the Tridentine Latin Mass would be the same as over the centuries. There would be no new theology, new ecumenism, new ecclesiology and new evangelisation since the old ecclesiology is intact, before and after, Vatican Council II.
He does not reject BOD, BOB and I.I but accepts them as being hypothetical cases only.This is Feeneyism.
If he assumed that BOD, BOB and I.I were physically visible examples of salvation outside the Church, this would be irrational. This would be Cushingism.
Similarly he does not have to reject LG 8, LG 14, LG 16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc when he accepts exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. Since these are hypothetical cases. This is reading Vatican Council II with Feeneyism.
If he interprets LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc as being exceptions to traditional EENS, then he implies that there are known cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church. This would be irrational. This would of course be Cushingism.
So Cardinal Raymond Burke's statement at the Voice of the Family Conference is sound orthodoxy in harmony with Vatican Council II.-Lionel Andrades
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door...
And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.
By means of this activity, the Mystical Body of Christ unceasingly gathers and directs its forces toward its own growth (cf. Eph. 4:11-16). The members of the Church are impelled to carry on such missionary activity by reason of the love with which they love God and by which they desire to share with all men the spiritual goods of both its life and the life to come.
Finally, by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified, provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He has accomplished in Christ. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
Cardinal Raymond Burke endorses Tradition and Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite).If the SSPX follow him, this is a simple way to canonical recognition
Cardinal Raymond Burke (center) along with Archbishops Ferrara-Comacchio Luigi Negri and Carlo Vigano at the Rome March for Life, May 19, 2018.LifeSiteNews Cardinal Raymond Burke has called for proclaiming the Social Reign of Christ the King based upon the teachings of the Catholic Church. For him Judaism and Islamism are not paths to salvation and are 'false religions' and the true Church of Christ is not the Protestant or Pentecostal religion which are also false religions which advocate contraception and abortion.1 Yet there is no criticism of Cardinal Burke at the Tablet, National Catholic Reporter or Crux and other pro-Left media.They have just ignored him and not said that Vatican Counci II contradicts him.
Instead it is only a sedevacantist Trad Cat Knight who has wrongly stated on his blog that Vatican Council II contradicts the cardinal when he says non Catholic religions are false, the Catholic Church is the true Church of Christ and it necessary that the Social Reign of Christ the King be lived privately and in public.
APRIL 7, 2018
There is too much of confusion and 'controversy' on this issue for even Edwin Pentin to comment on it.Since if it is said that Vatican Council II says other religions are not paths to salvation, it would be a reference to a hypothetical and speculative statement. Since the ordinary means of salvation is 'faith and baptism' (AG 7) according to Vatican Council II. All those who die in non-Catholic religions are oriented to Hell according to Vatican Council II(AG 7).The ordinary means of salvation is the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It is not invincible ignorance or a good conscience(LG 16).So LG 16 refers to a hypothetical statement only.
It is based on the past exclusivist ecclesiology in harmony with Vatican Council II( Feeneyite) that Cardinal Burke has said other religions are not paths to salvation.
So now it cannot be said that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 are exceptions to the Catholic Church being the one true Church or God(LG 8). Since there cannot be practical exceptions toextra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).LG 8 etc are not exceptions to EENS.Hypothetical and theoretical cases are not objective examples of salvation in 2018.we cannot meet or see someone saved as suggested hypothetically in Lumen Gentium 8, for example.
Similarly it cannot be said that the Holy Office 1949 was correct and Fr. Leonard Feeney was wrong, since now we know that the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance also refer to hypothetical cases, unknown people in the present times, speculation and theoretical possibilities for us humans. If they happened they could only be known to God.There cannot be a concrete case for us human beings on earth.
So how can the National Catholic Reporter, Crux or other liberal media say that Vatican Council II contradicts Cardinal Burke ? They cannot and they have not said so.
We now know that we can interpret Vatican Council II, the Catechisms and EENS withFeeneyism or Cushingism and the conclusion would be a rupture or continuity with Tradition.Cardinal Burke used Feeneyism. So he is affirming Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) and rejecting Vatican Council II(Cushingite) while also affirming Tradition.He is different from the sedevacantists who affirm Tradition but reject Vatican Council II(Cushingite) and do not know about Vatican Council II(Feeneyite). Similarly he is different from the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) who affirm Tradition but do not affirm Vatican Council II(Feeneyite)-while they reject Vatican Council II(Cushingite). CATHOLIC CATECHESIS So now in catechesis we can teach that the Catholic Church says all need to be members of this only Church of Christ, for salvation (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II, Cantate Domino Council of Florence 1441, Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257, 845,846 interpreted with Feeneyism) and there are no known exceptions(LG 8 etc are not practical exceptions to EENS or Vatican Council II(Feeneyite). In catechesis the Social Reign of Christ the King, over all political legislation and the non separation of Church and State, needs to be proclaimed and that other religions are false paths to salvation and all their members are oriented to Hell, unless they enter in the Catholic Church where the true Church of Christ subsists(LG 8).
Cardinal Raymond Burke is endorsing Tradition and Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite).If the SSPX follow him, this is a simple way to receive canonical recognition by affirming Vatican Council II and Tradition. Similarly the sedevacantists would know that their interpretation of Vatican Council II (Cushingite instead of Feeneyite) is now obsolete.There is a rational and traditional choice available and Cardinal Raymond Burke has shown the way.-Lionel Andrades 1. https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/cardinal-burke-false-religions-that-permit-abortion-should-be-suppressed
Even Vatican II says every one on the face of the earth is called to become a member of the Mystical Body ( the Catholic Church)- Fr.Paul McDonald , Fatima Center