Monday, April 27, 2015

Vocations to the religous life have to accept an irrationality in the Catechism of the Catholic Church

There were prayers for Vocations yesterday Sunday at Mass in Italian.
Of course those who choose the religious life in the Catholic Church would have to accept the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 846,1257).
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: 
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.
 
In a previous blog post I mentioned that an irrationality is being taught in the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 846,1257).However you may interpret the Catechism or Vatican Council II, an objective error, is still being taught in catechism class in schools.
that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
This implies that there is no rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Since there are known exceptions. The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance is a known exception. This is false and irrational.

Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
Who are these people ? There are no such known cases in 2015. So they are irrelevant to the rigorist interpretation of the dogma.

 but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.
Why since there are known exceptions to the dogma?

Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
Who are these people? They are zero cases for us in April 2015.So why mention it ? Is it being inferred that these are known exceptions to the dogma?


Michael Voris says all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church(See video Do Non Catholics Go to Hell?). This is the new theology which accomodates the Marchetti error i.e the dead now saved in Heaven are visible to us on earth. So those who are saved with the baptism of desire etc refer to visible cases. So they are visible exceptions. They become exceptions, it is reasoned, to the traditional teaching on exclusive salavtion in the Church. This was the error implied in the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 (Outside the Church No Salvation).The new theology accomodates visible exceptions to the dogma. The new theology replaces the traditional exclusivist theology.
Also when Michael Voris says God is not limited to the Sacraments, after the Resurrection of Jesus, he again uses new theology.It accomodates Cardinal Marchetti's factual error. This is the dead man walking theology.The dogma says God is limited to the Sacraments.So how would those who wrote the Catechism (1992) know of an exception to the dogma.With the visible-dead theory of course!
Catholic students in catechesis and religion class are taught this objective error.They affirm the dead man walking and visible theory. This is accepted by Michael Voris.Since he has accepted the new theology based on the irrational premise and inference.

The children are taught :-

1. We human beings can physically see the dead in Heaven.

2. We can know someone in Heaven in the present times who is there without 'faith and baptism'.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger  could not physically see any exception in Heaven when he wrote the Catechism.Today  school children have to infer that there are exceptions to the dogma or that there can be exceptions to the dogma on salvation.Even those with a vocation to the religious life have to proclaim this irrationality. It is common sense that there cannot be exceptions.Yet a young girl with a vocation to the religious life would be rejected in Detroit, if she did not say that there were exceptions, known to her, to the rigorist interpretation of the dogma.-Lionel Andrades

Why should Catholic students in schools be taught all this irrationality and heresy?

There are usually 2 practical extremes that are wrong. Feenyism which says that it is impossible for non-Catholics to be saved, the bad EENS interpretation.
Lionel:
Why is Feeneyism wrong, the text of the dogma says exactly what Fr.Leonard Feeney said.
Why is Feeneyism wrong when Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) says all need faith and baptism for salvation?. This is exactly what Fr.Feeney said.
Why is Cushingism not wrong for you when you do not know any one saved without 'faith and baptism'?
Why is Cushingism not wrong for you when you personally do not know any one saved with the baptism of desire and in inculpable ignorance and without the baptism of water?
Why is the Catechism of the Catholic Church (846,1257) not wrong for you when it suggests there are known exceptions to the traditional and rigorist interpretation of the dogma?
When you personally do not know of any exceptions and no Church document before 1949 ( Mystici Corporis, Council of Trent) mentions any exceptions, did not the 'magisterium' in CCC 846,1257 make a factual mistake ?
Why should Catholic students in schools be taught all this irrationality and heresy?
-Lionel Andrades

Notes on Hell -Ann Barnhardt



http://www.barnhardt.biz/2015/04/26/notes-on-hell/



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Didn't Jesus teach about hell?

Preached graphic depictions of hell

Everyone knows that “fire and brimstone” preaching is ineffective and, in any case, antithetical to the spirit of the Gospel of love, right?
Then why did Jesus preach about hell so much?
Jesus gave horrifying descriptions of the place. Throughout the Gospels we find that Jesus describes hell as a place of “weeping and gnashing of teeth,” a place where “the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched,” a “blazing furnace,” “darkness,” “unquenchable fire,” and “the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” (Several of these descriptions he repeats several times.)
And he constantly warns people from doing things that would get them sent there. So maybe preaching about hell isn’t so bad?
http://www.churchpop.com/2015/03/30/the-6-most-unchrist-like-things-christ-did/
from Spirit Daily
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FIFTH EXERCISE

IT IS A MEDITATION ON HELL
It contains in it, after the Preparatory Prayer and two Preludes, five Points and one Colloquy:
Prayer. Let the Preparatory Prayer be the usual one.
First Prelude. The first Prelude is the composition, which is here to see with the sight of the imagination the length, breadth and depth of Hell.
Second Prelude. The second, to ask for what I want: it will be here to ask for interior sense of the pain which the damned suffer, in order that, if, through my faults, I should forget the love of the Eternal Lord, at least the fear of the pains may help me not to come into sin.
First Point. The first Point will be to see with the sight of the imagination the great fires, and the souls as in bodies of fire.
Second Point. The second, to hear with the ears wailings, howlings, cries, blasphemies against Christ our Lord and against all His Saints.
Third Point. The third, to smell with the smell smoke, sulphur, dregs and putrid things.
Fourth Point. The fourth, to taste with the taste bitter things, like tears, sadness and the worm of conscience.
Fifth Point. The fifth, to touch with the touch; that is to say, how the fires touch and burn the souls.
Colloquy. Making a Colloquy to Christ our Lord, I will bring to memory the souls that are in Hell, some because they did not believe the Coming, others because, believing, they did not act according to His Commandments; making three divisions...
- The Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius of Loyola, [1914] http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/seil/seil15.htm

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A young Korean artist taken to Hell. Drew pictures of it.
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The entrance it seems to me was similar to a very long and narrow alleyway, like an oven, low and dark and confined; the floor seemed to me to consist of dirty, muddy water emitting foul stench and swarming with putrid vermin...The bodily pains were so unbearable that though I had suffered excruciating ones in this life and according to what doctors say, the worst that can be suffered on earth for all my nerves were shrunken when I was paralyzed, plus many other sufferings of many kinds that I endured and even some as I said, caused by the devil, these were all nothing in comparison with the ones I experienced there...-St.Teresa of Avila's description of Hell.



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These are the Tortures suffered by all the damned together, but that is not the end of the sufferings.



There are special Tortures destined for particular souls. These are the torments of the senses. Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings related to the manner in which it has sinned.
I would have died
There are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another. I would have died at the very sight of these tortures if the omnipotence of God had not supported me...-St.Faustina Kowalska's description of Hell.
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"Then I was pushed into one of those fiery cavities and pressed, as it were, between burning planks, and sharp nails and red-hot irons seemed to be piercing my flesh."

Here Josefa repeated the multiple tortures from which no single member of the body is excluded:

"I felt as if they were endeavoring to pull out my tongue, but could not. This torture reduced me to such agony that my very eyes seemed to be starting out of their sockets. I think this was because of the fire which burns, burns... not a finger-nail escapes terrifying torments, and all the time one cannot move even a finger to gain some relief, nor change posture, for the body seems flattened out and yet doubled in two.- Sr.Joseph Menendez's description of Hell.
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There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen; and feasted sumptuously every day. And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores,
Desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man' s table, and no one did give him; moreover the dogs came, and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham' s bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell. And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom: And he cried, and said: Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame. And Abraham said to him: Son, remember that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazareth evil things, but now he is comforted; and thou art tormented.

And besides all this, between us and you, there is fixed a great chaos: so that they who would pass from hence to you, cannot, nor from thence come hither. And he said: Then, father, I beseech thee, that thou wouldst send him to my father' s house, for I have five brethren, That he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torments. And Abraham said to him: They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will do penance.
And he said to him: If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, if one rise again from the dead. -Luke :19-31, The Rich Man (Dives) and Lazarus.
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Second Circle (Lust)


Gianciotto Discovers Paolo and Francesca
In the second circle of Hell are those overcome by lust. Dante condemns these "carnal malefactors"[ for letting their appetites sway their reason. They are the first ones to be truly punished in Hell. These souls are blown back and forth by the terrible winds of a violent storm, without rest. This symbolizes the power of lust to blow one about needlessly and aimlessly.
In this circle, Dante sees
Semiramis, Dido, Cleopatra, Helen of Troy, Achilles, Paris, Tristan, and many others who were overcome by sexual love during their life. Dante is told by Francesca da Rimini how she and her husband's brother Paolo Malatesta committed adultery, but then died a violent death, in the name of Love, at the hands of her husband, Giovanni (Gianciotto). Francesca reports that their act of adultery was triggered by reading the adulterous story of Lancelot and Guinevere (an episode sculpted by Auguste Rodin in The Kiss). Nevertheless, she predicts that her husband will be punished for his fratricide in Caïna, within the ninth circle (Canto V).
Alse see Dante's experience in Hell in The Divine Comedy( Inferno)._______________________________________
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/didnt-jesus-teach-about-hell.html

Sunday, April 26, 2015

An irrationality is being taught at Catholic schools in Detroit, where Michael Voris is based- and he has no comment.

Whatever be their new theology or theories at Church Militant.com it is a fact that an irrationality is being taught at Catholic schools in Detroit, where Michael Voris is based- and he has no comment.

However you may interpret the Catechism or Vatican Council II, an objective error, is still being taught in catechism class in schools.
Michael Voris says all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church(See video Do Non Catholics Go to Hell?). This is the new theology which accomodates the Marchetti error i.e the dead now saved in Heaven are visible to us on earth. So those who are saved with the baptism of desire etc refer to visible cases. So they are visible exceptions. They become exceptions, it is reasoned, to the traditional teaching on exclusive salavtion in the Church. This was the error implied in the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 (Outside the Church No Salvation).The new theology accomodates visible exceptions to the dogma. The new theology replaces the traditional exclusivist theology.
Also when Michael Voris says God is not limited to the Sacraments, after the Resurrection of Jesus, he again uses  new theology.It  accomodates Cardinal Marchetti's factual error. This is the dead man walking theology.The dogma says God is limited to the Sacraments.So how would those who wrote the Catechism (1992) know of an exception to the dogma.With the visible-dead theory of course!
Catholic students in catechesis and religioun class are taught this objective error.They affirm the dead man walking and visible theory. This is accepted by Michael Voris.Since he has accepted the new theology based on the irrational premise and inference.

The children are taught :-

1. We human beings can physically see the dead in Heaven.

2. We can know someone in Heaven in the present times who is there without 'faith and baptism'.

This is inferred when the children  are  taught  that the baptism of desire and being saved in inculpable ignorance are exceptions to the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So non Catholics do not have to convert in the present times the children are taught.Why ? SInce 1) we human beings can physically see the dead in Heaven 2) We can know someone in Heaven in the present times who is there without 'faith and baptism' .This person has been saved in inculpable ignorance or with  the baptism of desire.The parents of the children in Detoit assume that this is a Catholic teaching. Their chidren are taught at  schools approved by the Michigan Catholic Association, that all do not need to formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation.Since there are known exceptions- even though these cases (exceptions) are in Heaven and not on earth to be exceptions.


CHILDREN TAUGHT FACTUAL ERROR

Michael Voris has no comment.School children are taught a factual error ( the dead-saved are visible on earth) and the Staff of Church Militant in Detroit have nothing to say.Catholics are still born for combat?
The children of Staff members, or children of their friends or relatives, are indoctrinated that for Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the baptism of water was not always necessary for salvation.So 'God is not limited to the Sacraments.'(Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257).
Young Catholics have to  infer that for Cardinal Ratzinger, Pope Benedict XVI, this was the reasoning and it is correct :-

1. We human beings including the popes, can physically see the dead in Heaven.(Otherwise how could there be exceptions? We must be physically able to see or know an exception for it to be an exception."Zero cases of something are not exceptions to the dogma " says John Martignoni, the apologist.)

2. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger knew someone in Heaven during the time he was working on the Catechism of the Catholic Church.This person/persons was/were there in Heaven without 'faith and baptism'.This case was personally known to him.So it became an explicit exception, for the cardinal.This is an objective error. Cardinal Ratzinger could not see or know of any exceptions to the centuries old dogma. So when he suggests in CCC 1257 that there are defacto exceptions to the dogma, he infers that he knows defacto cases of the dead-saved, who did not need 'faith and baptism'.

If he referred to only dejure, theoretical cases of someone saved without the baptism of water, he would be theoretically contradicting the dogma. He would be contradicting the necessity of the baptism of water for all.So even if he theoretically postulates that there could be such a case in the present times, how could this hypothetical case, be a defacto exception, to all needing to convert into the Church? 
The cardinal could not physically see any exception in Heaven.Yet the school children have to infer all  this.Even those with a vocation to the religious life have to infer this irrationality. It is common sense that there cannot be exceptions.Yet a young girl with a vocation to the religious life would be rejected in Detroit, if she did not say that there were exceptions, known to her, to the rigorist interpretation of the dogma.

Church Militant.com is even silent when the children are told that Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani, in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, inferred that the dead are visible in the present times.

So Marchetti  criticized the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus by Fr.Leonard Feeney. An injustice was done to this priest from Boston and the four Catholic professors who were expelled by Boston College for refusing to say there were exceptions to the dogma.

At Boston College today and at Jesuit schools, children have to accept this irrationality.Also in Detroit, Catholic  children must use an irrational premise and inference, even to interpret Vatican Council II.The religous superiors accept it - and so do the Staff at Church Militant.com, Serving Catholics.

This should be a conscience issue. How can you condone first class heresy and go to receive the Eucharist at Mass in Detroit? How can you teach a lie to children on such a big scale ?
 If the children attended the Latin or the Novus Ordo Mass the ecclesiology is new.There is a new doctrine( the dead now in Heaven are visible exceptions to the dogma on salvation). They are not taught the traditional exclusivist ecclesiology which was common before 1949. There cannot be an exclusivist ecclesiology associated with Holy Mass any more since something new has been added to the Deposit of the Faith.

An entire archdiocese has gone apostate. Detroit rejects the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is done by inferring  that people in Heaven are visible and known to them in the present times ( 2015) and this is accepted by educated Catholics.
 
Even if a pope, cardinal, bishop,priest or nun says that we can see the dead in Heaven who are exceptions to the traditional dogma it is a factual error. It is a fact of life that we cannot see or know these cases. So it is irrational to create a theology based upon this factual error.
 
Yet this is what they teach children all over the USA, they call it magisterial,  and Michael Voris has nothing to say. First the innocent kids presume that persons saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire refer to personally known cases.They are in Heaven without the baptism of water. Then they infer that since these cases are known to them in April 2015, since they are explicit , seen in the flesh cases, they are exceptions to the teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.Ghosts are exceptions! They become exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma usually associated with the Traditional Latin Mass which the political Left, the one world religion people, hate.
The Traditional Latin Mass is criticised because of the old ecclesiology.The Traditional Latin Mass with the old ecclesiology contradicts Vatican Council II interpreted with the visible dead theory.

The school children have to  conclude that Vatican Council II is a break with the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors etc.This is a liberal interpretation and is politically correct and is ' magisterial'.

Michael Voris  and the Staff at Church Militant do not agree or disagree. They have nothing to say. -Lionel Andrades

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Michael Voris does not say every one needs to be a card carrying member of the Church for salvation. For him there are exceptions

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/michael-voris-does-not-say-every-one.html
 

SSPX must continue to reject Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents interpreted with the false premise and conclusion ? : ChurchMilitant TV still does not respond http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/sspx-must-continue-to-reject-vatican_25.html

Campus Ministry
Bishop Arturo Cepeda, Director of the Department of Evangelization, Catechesis and Schools,Detroit has no denial : he agrees an irrationality is taught to Catholic school children  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/bishop-arturo-cepeda-director-of.html 
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School children in the Archdiocese of Detroit have to use an irrationality to interpret Vatican Council II http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/school-children-in-archdiocese-of.html

CMTV and the Archdiocese of Detroit

Catholic Parents Associations please protest against the irrationality being taught to children in Detroit, Michigan http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/catholic-parents-associations-please.html


Superintendents of Catholic Schools in the Archdiocese of Detroit agree : irrationality being taught in Religion Class http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/superintendents-of-catholic-schools-in.html

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/church-militant-tvs-simon-rafe-and-ryan.html

SSPX must continue to reject Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents interpreted with the false premise and conclusion : ChurchMilitant TV comment incomplete http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/sspx-must-continue-to-reject-vatican.html
Church Militant - Serving Catholics
Church Militant TV could produce a video for the CDF-SSPX Reconciliation

Vatican (CDF) had a lot to hide and so they kept those SSPX-CDF doctrinal talks secret http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/vatican-cdf-had-lot-to-hide-and-so-they.html

Rodney Pelletier,Simon Rafe and Michael Voris : error in premium programs Baptize All Nations,Moral Compass and possibly God's Green Earth

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/rodney-pelletiersimon-rafe-and-michael.html

Church Militant TV (CMTV) could help resolve the CDF-SSPX doctrinal issue by identifying the exact doctrinal error
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/church-militant-tv-cmtv-could-help.html
ChurchMilitantTV removes comments : irrational theology which David Obeid and Luke Macik have to teach to be approved by the bishop
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/churchmilitanttv-removes-comments.html

Fr.Robert Barron and Michael Voris like most people interpret Vatican Council II with the right hand side values
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/frrobert-barron-and-michael-voris-like.html