Monday, September 25, 2017

There is a mistake in Vatican Council II : two popes need to be shown that in principle hypothetical cases are not exceptions to EENS


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There is a mistake in Vatican Council II.However in spite of the mistake the Council can be interpreted in harmony with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and the Syllabus of Errors.

MISTAKE IN PRINCIPLE IN VATICAN COUNCIL II
The mistake which they made was to assume in principle  that hypothetical cases were not hypothetical but explicit and objective people.It was further assumed in principle that these invisible cases which were allegedly visible were examples of salvation outside the Church.Non Catholics saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.

IN THE MIND OF CARDINAL CUSHING AND ARCHBISHOP LEFEBVRE
In the mind of Cardinal Cushing and Archbishop Lefebvre at Vatican Council II invisible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) were visible people saved outside the Church.
So the Council had mistaken hypothetical cases(LG 16, LG 8, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, AG7, AG11, GS 22 etc) as not being hypothetical but real people saved outside the Church who were considered exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.
Lumen Gentium 16 etc should not have been mentioned in Vatican Council II.Since LG 16, LG 8, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, AG 7, AG 11, GS 22 etc are refer to theoretical cases they are hypothetical speculation, things hoped for with good will.
What is the point in saying that a person can be saved in invincible ignorance and with a good conscience when we do not know any such person in real life who would be saved as such?
Why mention the demand for the baptism of water by a catechumen who dies before he receives it, when the catechumen is unknown?

LG 16, LG 8, AG 11 ETC REFER TO 'ZERO CASES'
If someone was saved in another religions with 'seeds of the Word'(AG 11) or 'elements of sanctification and truth'(LG 8), in our reality it would be ' a zero case' as John Martignoni refers to BOD, BOB and I.I.
Hypothetical cases are zero cases in our reality, we cannot see or meet someone saved in I.I, BOD, BOB, with or without the baptism of water.
So what all the controversy over subsist it (LG 8) ? We cannot know any one saved outside the Church.
Hypothetical cases being mixed up for being objective exceptions to EENS is a false theology in Vatican Council II.
It is clear that theoretical cases are not visible in 2017.

WE CAN RE-READ VATICAN COUNCIL II
So what if we read Vatican Council II without this fault? Can we avoid the factual error in Vatican Council which is not the work of the Holy Spirit?
Yes.
We can re-read Vatican Council II aware of the original error of the Council Fathers.
We have to be aware that there is no known case of the catechumen who dies before receiving the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and who is saved.So this eliminates an exception to Ad Gentes and Lumen Gentium 14 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.So the passage in the Council which refers to the desire and longing of a catechumen is ' a dud'.1
We know that we cannot meet any one today or in the past who was saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.So the passages in Lumen Gentium 14 and Ad Gentes 7 which seem to contradict EENS( all need faith and baptism for salvation) is an empty passage.
Then Lumen Gentium 14 says only those who know about Jesus and the Church need to enter the Church to avoid Hell.In other words those who are in invincible ignorance are known exceptions to the dogma EENS and so not every one in general needs to be incorporated into the Church as a member for salvation, but only those who 'know'.LG 14 shows the the specious reasoning and conclusion of the Church Fathers at Vatican Council II.

LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE MADE AN OBJECTIVE MISTAKE
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston in principle accepted hypothetical cases as being exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.The traditional interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation had exceptions for the Letter .This was made the standard philosophical reasoning at Vatican Council II.

MAGISTERIAL HERESY
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 irrationally and heretically states ' Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member' when the Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441 says the opposite.2
So even though there were no visible cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church, the New Theology at Boston(1949) and Vatican Council II (1965) suggests there are.So with known and visible salvation outside the Church there is no more an ecumenism or return since the Protestant can be saved in his religion. There is no more a need to proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation, since outside the Church there was salvation. There was no need for mission.  

NEW NORM                                                                                 
Ecclesiastical missionary had maintained the excommunication of Fr. Leonard Feeney right through Vatican Council II(1965)so that people would think that invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I were visible exceptions to the dogma EENS. The Jesuits expelled Fr. Leonard Feeney from the community and Catholic professors at Boston College, whom he supported,were expelled.The new norm was unknown cases of BOD, BOB and I.I must be accepted as being known.

WE CAN AVOID THE MISTAKE MADE AT VATICAN COUNCIL II
We can now avoid the mistake they made at Vatican Council II.The Vatican Council II of Cushing and Lefebvbre changes.Ratzinger, Rahner and Kung's work will be in vain.We are automatically back to the old ecclesiology of the Church with invisible BOD, BOB and I.I.With the old ecclesiology intact there can only be an ecumenism of return.There is the need for the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and the non separation of Church and State since the priority for getting into Heaven for all people is being incorporated into the Catholic Church, outside of which there is no salvation.

ECCLESIOLOGY OF MASS IS THE SAME : HOPE FOR TRADITIONALISTS AND SEDEVACANTISTS
So the ecclesiology at the Novus Ordo, Tridentine Latin an Greek Mass is the same.Cardinals can affirm Feeneyite EENS in harmony with Vatican Council II and ask the two popes to do the same.Traditionalists do not have to reject Vatican Council II to affirm Feeneyite EENS as did the 2012 General Chapter Statement of the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX).Sedevacantists can come back into the Church accepting the strict interpretation of EENS in harmony with Vatican Council II, interpreted with hypothetical cases just being hypothetical.-Lionel Andrades

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 Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6)...-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II


14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.,,
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.-Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

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http://catholicism.org/cantate-domino.html
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DECEMBER 17, 2016



Unprecedented!http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/12/unprecedented.html

 SEPTEMBER 24, 2017

Two popes need to correct the objective error in salvation theology which cannot be the teaching of the Holy Spirit and so is not magisterial

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/the-two-living-popes-need-to-correct.html


SEPTEMBER 23, 2017

The Catholic Church guided by the Holy Spirit teaches that all non Catholics in 2017 need to be incorporated into the Church as members for salvation.This is Vatican Council II and the Catechism : present popes are denying this

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/the-catholic-church-guided-by-holy.html



Sunday, September 24, 2017

Due papi bisogno correggere l'errore oggettivo nella teologia della salvezza che non e l'insegnamento dello Spirito Santo e quindi non è magistero

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Due papi bisogno correggere l'errore oggettivo nella teologia della salvezza che non e l'insegnamento dello Spirito Santo e quindi non è magistero.
I due papi devono essere mostrati. Qualcuno deve spiegarlo a loro. Deve essere detto che le possibilità teoriche non possono essere eccezioni al dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus nel 2017. Ciò modifica l'interpretazione del Concilio Vaticano II.
 Il Concilio Vaticano allora non è più una rottura con la vecchia ecclesiologia. Sul quella exclusivista ecclesiologia dipendeva un ecumenismo di ritorno e la proclamazione del Regno Sociale di Cristo Re sul tutti leglislazione politica. I due viventi papi devono correggere l'errore oggettivo nella teologia della salvezza che non può essere l'insegnamento lo Spirito Santo e quindi non può essere magistero.

LE POSSIBILITÀ TEORICHE SONO SPECULAZIONE
Le possibilità non sono casi oggettivi e conosciuti nel 2017. Quindi le possibilità non sono eccezioni all'insegnamento tradizionale sul tutti hanno bisogno entrare nella Chiesa Cattolica, tutti bisogna devono essere incorporati nella Chiesa come membri per la salvezza.

LA POSSIBILITA TEORICA NON PUO ESSERE UNA ECCEZIONE PER EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS NEL  2017
Non posso dire che sia possibile che nel corso di quest'anno ci sia un battesimo di desiderio o che ci siano stati 10 anni scorso o nessuno 10 anni fa.Così una possibilità teorica non deve essere considerata un'eccezione nota alla vecchia ecclesiologia esclusiva della Chiesa Cattolica.1

I PAPI DEVONO ANNUNCIAARE L'OVVIO
I papi devono annunciare l'ovvio. Devono dire che invisibile per noi il battesimo del desiderio (BDD) non è visibile nel 2017. Non possiamo incontrare o vedere nessuno salvato con il battesimo di sangue(BDS) o in ignoranza invincibile(I.I) quest'anno. Quindi BDD,BDS,I.I non possono essere eccezioni all'insegnamento tradizionale di EENS. Tutti bisogno incorporati nella Chiesa come membri per la salvezza.
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Devono annunziare che non c'è nessuna salvezza conosciuta al di fuori della Chiesa.Non c'era nessuno nel passato e nessuno può esistere nel presente. Di fatto, non esistono eccezioni conosciute al dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, come è stato interpretato, ad esempio , dai missionari e dal magistero nel XVI secolo.

DEVONO CHIARIRE
Devono chiarire che i casi ipotetici sono semplicemente ipotetici e questo è il razionale ragionamento filosofico cattolico.Così BDD, BDS e I.I.come i casi ipotetici nel Concilio Vaticano II (LG 16, LG 8, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22, AG 7, AG 11 ecc.) non sono eccezioni al dogma EENS, come era noto a p. Leonard Feeney e il Centro San Benedetto di Boston.

JOHN MARTIGNONI
Nessun caso di qualcosa non sono eccezioni al dogma EENS dice l'apologo americano John Martignoni che è il direttore dell'Ufficio della nuova evangelizzazione e amministrazione della diocesi di Birmingham nel Alabama, USA.Lui  ha un programma sul EWTN.

DON STEFANO VISINTIN OSB
Don Stefano Visintin Osb, Rettore della Pontificia Università di S. Anselmo, Roma è d'accordo con lui. Dice che BOD, BOB e I.I non sono eccezioni al dogma EENS. 

L'ARCIVESCOVO THOMAS E.GULLICKSON
Il prelato americano, l'Arcivescovo Thomas E.Gullickson, che Papa Francesco ha nominato nunzio in Svizzera e Liechtenstein ha lo stesso messaggio. Numerosi sacerdoti a Roma, che offrono la Messa in italiano, affermano anche che non esistono eccezioni conosciute nei tempi attuali a Feeneyite EENS.

LA CHIESA NON PUO CONTRADDIRE IL PRINCIPIO DELLA NON CONTRADIZIONE
I papi hanno bisogno di annunciare che la Chiesa Cattolica non può contraddire il Principio della Non Contraddizione.Non suggerendo che le persone invisibili per noi, ora in cielo, presumibilmente salvate con il BDD, il BDB e I.I fuori della Chiesa, sono eccezioni visibili sulla terra per il dogma EENS. Le persone invisibili e sconosciute sono veramente visibili e  conosciute.Sono eccezione per l'EENS cosi tutti non hanno bisogno di essere incorporati nella Chiesa.Non bisogna devono membri per la salvezza. Questa sono oggi il insegnato di Vaticano, con l'approvazione dei due papi.E un errore.

IL CONCILIO VATICANO NON PUO DEVE INTERPRETATO CON UNA FALSE PREMESSA
I papi devono annunciare che il Concilio Vaticano II non deve essere interpretato con una falsa premessa (le persone invisibili sono visibili, le possibilità teoriche sono persone reali, casi sconosciuti di BDD, BDS e I.I sono casi conosciuti nel 2017) e falsa conclusione (esiste eccezioni a tutti coloro che hanno bisogno di essere incorporati nella Chiesa come membri per la salvezza. Di conseguenza, EENS è superfluo e ridondante).
HANNO BISOGNO CORREGGERE L'ERROR DI PAPA BENEDETTO
Hanno bisogno di correggere l'errore di Papa Benedetto XVI che ha fatto l'anno scorso. Ha affermato che l'EENS non era più come per i missionari nel XVI secolo, poiché c'è stato uno sviluppo con il Concilio Vaticano II (Avvenire). Senza la premessa irrazionale e il falso conclusione Il Concilio Vaticano II non contraddice l'EENS come era conosciuto ai missionari nel XVI secolo. Questo deve essere chiarito dai cardinali e dai vescovi della Chiesa Cattolica.-Lionel Andrades


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SEPTEMBER 23, 2017


The Catholic Church guided by the Holy Spirit teaches that all non Catholics in 2017 need to be incorporated into the Church as members for salvation.This is Vatican Council II and the Catechism : present popes are denying this

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/the-catholic-church-guided-by-holy.html




SEPTEMBER 24, 2017



Two popes need to correct the objective error in salvation theology which cannot be the teaching of the Holy Spirit and so is not magisterial

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/the-two-living-popes-need-to-correct.html

Repost : Associated Press blacks out information on magisterial heresy : AP reports on Vatican Council II were based on a factual error

 OCTOBER 27, 2015

Associated Press blacks out information on magisterial heresy : AP reports on Vatican Council II were based on a factual error

Associated Press (AP) blacks out information.There is magisterial heresy, in the text of Vatican Council II and AP does not want to say it. AP has been projecting  Vatican Council II as  a break with the past.Now AP does not  report on the objective error which came into the Chruch with the Baltimore Catechism and infuenced their reporting of Vatican Council II.Nicole Winfield, the AP correspondent has removed posts from her Twitter page on this subject. She has also removed the above picture.
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Similarly Trisha Thomas and Rachel Zoll, AP correspondents in Rome and  Tom Berman have no comment on Twitter.
Here follows the development of the error in the Church for   all of them at AP, in which B is an exception to A.
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ERROR N.1
BALTIMORE CATECHISM
B.
321. How can those be saved who through no fault of their own have not received the sacrament of Baptism?
Those who through no fault of their own have not received the sacrament of Baptism can be saved through what is called baptism of blood or baptism of desire.
322. How does an unbaptized person receive the baptism of blood?
An unbaptized person receives the baptism of blood when he suffers martyrdom for the faith of Christ.
Greater love than this no one has, that one lay down his life for his friends. (John 15:13)
323. How does an unbaptized person receive the baptism of desire?An unbaptized person receives the baptism of desire when he loves God above all things and desires to do all that is necessary for his salvation. - Baptism. Lesson 24 from the Baltimore Cathechism
A.
315. What is Baptism?
Baptism is the sacrament that gives our souls the new life of sanctifying grace by which we become children of God and heirs of heaven.
Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (John 3:5)

316. What sins does Baptism take away?

Baptism takes away original sin; and also actual sin and all the punishment due to them, if the person baptized be guilty of any actual sins and truly sorry for them.
Get up and be baptized and wash away thy sins, calling on his name. (Acts 22:16)

317. What are the effects of the character imprinted on the soul by Baptism?

The effects of the character imprinted on the soul by Baptism are that we become members of the Church, subject to its laws, and capable of receiving other sacraments. 

320. Why is Baptism necessary for the salvation of all men?

Baptism is necessary for the salvation of all men because Christ has said: "Unless a man be born again of water and the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Now they who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls. (Acts 2:41) - Baptism.Lesson 24 from the Baltimore Cathechism

ERROR N.2
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A.
27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.

B

29 Q. But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved?
A. If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God’s will as best he can such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, but is united to the soul of the Church and consequently is on the way of salvation. -Catechism of Pope Pius X, Rome 1905



ERROR N.3
LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949
A
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there is no salvation outside the Church.
Now, in the first place, the Church teaches that in this matter there is question of a most strict command of Jesus Christ. For He explicitly enjoined on His apostles to teach all nations to observe all things whatsoever He Himself had commanded (Matt. 28: 19-20).
Now, among the commandments of Christ, that one holds not the least place by which we are commanded to be incorporated by baptism into the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth.

B
Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.

In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing.

Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.

but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.

With these wise words he reproves both those who exclude from eternal salvation all united to the Church only by implicit desire...

From these declarations which pertain to doctrine, certain conclusions follow which regard discipline and conduct...
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ERROR N.4
VATICAN COUNCIL II
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a doorTherefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

A
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

B
Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him.Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II 
For the Associated Press correspondents the Catholic Church has changed its teaching on the need for Jews, Protestants and other non Catholics having to convert formally in the Church for salvation.Since for AP there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in Vatican Council II. B contradicts A. Lumen Gentium 16 contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus for them.
Now they know that there are no known exceptions to the dogma , present or future.
So B cannot be an exception to A.The Magisterium and the AP correspondents made a mistake.
Related imageVatican Council II supports the Lefebvrists and sedevacantists.Since B is not an exception to A as it was thought, all these years.Outside the Church there is no known salvation.
If there  was salvation outside the Church ( for arguements sake) we would not know of it and so it would not contradict the dogmatic teaching teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
So there has to be a change in AP's reporting of Vatican Council II and they are keeping silent about this.
-Lionel Andrades
 John had other plans. Less than three months after being elected, he announced that he would convene Vatican II, the first ecumenical council in a century. Vatican II went on to allow use of the vernacular rather than Latin for Mass. It called for greater participation of lay faithful in the life of the church and revolutionized Catholic relations with Jews(She means B contradicts A and so Jews do not need to convert for salvation). It also crystalized the divisions between traditionalist, conservative Catholics and the more progressive wing(there were divisions since now B contradicts A and the  traditional dogma is superflous for AP)  of the church that are still alive today.-Nicole Winfield, AP










Religion correspondents keep prudently silent on Magisterial Error in Vatican Council II :Vatican's CDF made a mistake

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/development-of-error-in-catholic-church_26.html

Cardinal Kaspar changed ecclesiology assuming B is an exception to A : he used an irrational model to interpret Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/cardinal-walter-kasper-said-in.html

Vatican Council II has an error : secular journalists, cardinals and bishops don't know what to do

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/vatican-council-ii-has-error-secular.html

Religion journalists : did the Magisterium made a mistake?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/religion-journalists-did-magisterium.html

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/associated-press-blacks-out-information.html

SEPTEMBER 24, 2017


Two popes need to correct the objective error in salvation theology which cannot be the teaching of the Holy Spirit and so is not magisterial

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/the-two-living-popes-need-to-correct.html

Repost :The Vatican has made a mistake and there is a cover up by liberal journalists

OCTOBER 28, 2015


The Vatican has made a mistake and there is a cover up by liberal journalists


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The Vatican has made a mistake and there is a cover up by liberal journalists. They themself made an objective error in the reporting of Vatican Council II. They are using a theology based on an objective error.It  is promoted by the liberal universitiesincluding the pontifical ones.

Related imageLike the Associated Press(AP) and Reuters  Cardinal Gerhard Muller, Prefect of the Congregationf for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican projects Vatican Council II as a break with the past, a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.1
The liberals journalists have all these years assumed that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance referred to explicit cases and so they became exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So Vatican Council II (LG 16 etc) became a break with the past, it became  a break with the dogma for them.LG 16 would refer to explicit exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church.
Now we know that these cases are not explicit for us and are known only to God also they would be followed by the baptism of water, which is the dogmatic teaching. So Vatican Council II does not contradict the Feeneyite version of the dogma. 
Also the Holy Office 1949 made an objective mistake in the Fr. Leonard Feeney case. This is not being reported. There are no objective exceptions to the priest from Bostons' traditional interpretation of the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
Also the Baltimore Catechism made a factual mistake when they placed the baptism of desire and baptism of blood along with the baptism of water and its necessity.The baptism of desire and blood, allegedly without the baptism of water, are not objective, visible and repeatable like the baptism of water. They do not exist in our reality. So they cannot be exceptions to all needing the baptism of water.The 1808 Catechism made a mistake and has influenced the reporting of AP and Reuters, on Vatican Council II and the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston in 1949.
So it means that the Church's teaching on the Jews has not changed, since there are no exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II to the dogma on salvation. So this contradicts the reports of Nicole Winfield and Phillip Pullela. They claim that the Church's teachings having been changed on the Jews ,with Vatican Council II.
Instead the Council says all need faith and baptism for salvation (AG 7) and Jews do not have either of the two. Also most people die without faith and baptism, indicating that most people are oriented to the fires of Hell 2 according to Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14).
The religion journalists do not want to report on this and are covering up an error made by the Vatican ( B is an exception to A) which is supported by them for political reasons.
-Lionel Andrades
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Associated Press blacks out information on magisterial heresy : AP reports on Vatican Council II were based on a factual error 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/associated-press-blacks-out-information.html


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A young Korean artist taken to Hell. Drew pictures of it.




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The entrance it seems to me was similar to a very long and narrow alleyway, like an oven, low and dark and confined; the floor seemed to me to consist of dirty, muddy water emitting foul stench and swarming with putrid vermin...The bodily pains were so unbearable that though I had suffered excruciating ones in this life and according to what doctors say, the worst that can be suffered on earth for all my nerves were shrunken when I was paralyzed, plus many other sufferings of many kinds that I endured and even some as I said, caused by the devil, these were all nothing in comparison with the ones I experienced there...-St.Teresa of Avila's description of Hell.
http://catholicharboroffaithandmorals.com/St.%20Teresa%20of%20Avila%20combat%20with%20Satan.html

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These are the Tortures suffered by all thedamned together, but that is not the end of the sufferings.https://youtu.e/_La-_wEJ4Fk
There are special Tortures destined for particular souls. These are the torments of the senses. Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings related to the manner in which it has sinned.
I would have diedThere are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another. I would have died at the very sight of these tortures if the omnipotence of God had not supported me...-St.Faustina Kowalska's description of Hell.
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"Then I was pushed into one of those fiery cavities and pressed, as it were, between burning planks, and sharp nails and red-hot irons seemed to be piercing my flesh."

Here Josefa repeated the multiple tortures from which no single member of the body is excluded:

"I felt as if they were endeavoring to pull out my tongue, but could not. This torture reduced me to such agony that my very eyes seemed to be starting out of their sockets. I think this was because of the fire which burns, burns... not a finger-nail escapes terrifying torments, and all the time one cannot move even a finger to gain some relief, nor change posture, for the body seems flattened out and yet doubled in two.-Sr.Joseph Menendez's description of Hell.
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There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen; and feasted sumptuously every day. And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores,
Desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man' s table, and no one did give him; moreover the dogs came, and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham' s bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell. And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom: And he cried, and said: Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame. And Abraham said to him: Son, remember that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazareth evil things, but now he is comforted; and thou art tormented.
And besides all this, between us and you, there is fixed a great chaos: so that they who would pass from hence to you, cannot, nor from thence come hither. And he said: Then, father, I beseech thee, that thou wouldst send him to my father' s house, for I have five brethren, That he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torments. And Abraham said to him: They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will do penance.
And he said to him: If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, if one rise again from the dead. -Luke :19-31, The Rich Man (Dives) and Lazarus.
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Second Circle (Lust)

Gianciotto Discovers  Paolo and  Francesca
In the second circle of Hell are those overcome bylust. Dante condemns these "carnal malefactors"[ for letting their appetites sway their reason. They are the first ones to be truly punished in Hell. These souls are blown back and forth by the terrible winds of a violent storm, without rest. This symbolizes the power of lust to blow one about needlessly and aimlessly.
In this circle, Dante sees
Semiramis,Dido,Cleopatra,Helen of Troy,Achilles,Paris,Tristan, and many others who were overcome by sexual love during their life. Dante is told byFrancesca da Riminihow she and her husband's brotherPaolo Malatestacommitted adultery, but then died a violent death, in the name of Love, at the hands of her husband,Giovanni (Gianciotto). Francesca reports that their act of adultery was triggered by reading the adulterous story ofLancelotandGuinevere(an episode sculpted byAuguste RodininThe Kiss). Nevertheless, she predicts that her husband will be punished for hisfratricidein Caïna, within the ninth circle (Canto V).
Alse see Dante's experience in Hell in The Divine Comedy( Inferno).
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FIFTH EXERCISE


IT IS A MEDITATION ON HELL


It contains in it, after the Preparatory Prayer and two Preludes, five Points and one Colloquy:
Prayer. Let the Preparatory Prayer be the usual one.
First Prelude. The first Prelude is the composition, which is here to see with the sight of the imagination the length, breadth and depth of Hell.
Second Prelude. The second, to ask for what I want: it will be here to ask for interior sense of the pain which the damned suffer, in order that, if, through my faults, I should forget the love of the Eternal Lord, at least the fear of the pains may help me not to come into sin.
First Point. The first Point will be to see with the sight of the imagination the great fires, and the souls as in bodies of fire.
Second Point. The second, to hear with the ears wailings, howlings, cries, blasphemies against Christ our Lord and against all His Saints.
Third Point. The third, to smell with the smell smoke, sulphur, dregs and putrid things.
Fourth Point. The fourth, to taste with the taste bitter things, like tears, sadness and the worm of conscience.
Fifth Point. The fifth, to touch with the touch; that is to say, how the fires touch and burn the souls.
Colloquy. Making a Colloquy to Christ our Lord, I will bring to memory the souls that are in Hell, some because they did not believe the Coming, others because, believing, they did not act according to His Commandments; making three divisions...
- The Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius of Loyola, [1914]http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/seil/seil15.htm
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Two popes need to correct the objective error in salvation theology which cannot be the teaching of the Holy Spirit and so is not magisterial


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