Friday, September 4, 2015

It is un-ethical to knowingly have this taught to young seminarians of the Franciscans of the Immaculate


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The Franciscans of the Immaculate seminarians at Tiburtina,Rome under the Commissar Fr.Sabino Ardito SDB have to interpret LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 etc in Vatican Council II as referring to explicit instead of implicit cases. They have to consider these cases as being visible instead of invisible for us in Rome in 2015. This is contrary to common sense.It is un-ethical to knowingly have this taught to young seminarians.
They may cite popes and catechisms but the end result is still the same - LG 16 ( invincible ignorance) cannot be visible instead of invisible, it cannot be an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
The Friars have not heard of the dogma EENS and they believe the baptism of desire  cases are visible in real life.
The political Left does not want the Church to teach the traditional exclusivist  salvation teachings but it cannot accomplish this goal, by having seminarians learn irrationality and nonsense as premises, on which to base their reasoning.
-Lionel Andrades

Pope Francis has still not given the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminarians a proper seminary building in Rome


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I spent August at the church Santa Maria di Nazareth, Boccea,Rome helping the gardner Giovanni.This month re-starts my Italian lessons. So I may not be able to give the same amont of time at the church.
It was nice seeing the Friars the other day , pack themself in two wagons and go to Florence. It's three hours by road from Rome.They were back the same day from the community-house there.Among the friars who went to Florence were Italian and African seminarians.A few of the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminarians live here at Boccea while the rest of them live at Tibertina, Rome.
Pope Francis has still not given them a proper seminary building in Rome. 
In late October, I could have to change my residence and go to another parish.
-Lionel Andrades 

Pius X contributed to today's modernism on the salvation issue

We celebrated the feast day of Pope Saint Pius X, the great anti-modernist Pope who really contributed to modernism and heresy in the Catholic Church when he overlooked a statement made in the Baltimore Catechism of 1808.
The pope who gave us  Lamentabilli and Pascendi and the Oath Against Modernism overlooked the Baltimore Catechism suggesting that there were three baptisms and 1) being saved with implicit desire for the baptism of water for a catechumen who dies before receiving it and also 2) martyrdom, were baptisms like the baptism of water.
The baptism of desire(BOD) and the baptism of blood(BOB) were accepted in the Catechisms of  Pope Pius X and no one clarified that BOD and BOB were not visible and repeatable like the baptism of water. They could not be administered and they were unknown to us and known only to God. Also they could be followed by the baptism of water.He let the confusion persist.
BOD and BOB were not related to the Neccesity of the Baptism of Water for all. Yet in the Baltimore Catechism and then in the Catechism of Pope Pius X they were placed in the section on baptism.
We do not know any case of a person being saved without the baptism of water and they were placed in the baptism section as if they were relevant and were exceptions.
Modernists used this error to discard the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The baptism of desire and blood were considered baptisms during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII and Fr.Leonard Feeney was not defended.This was the Holy Office 1949 promoting modernism.It was the magisterium which was teaching a new doctrine and heresy.
Then being saved in invincible ignorance and with implicit desire is mentioned in Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14).It is placed  along with orthodox passages which support the dogma saying all  need faith and baptism.Why was BOD,BOB and being saved in invincible ignorance  placed in Vatican Council II? Since it was assumed that these cases were explicit and so were exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation.Invisible for us cases were considered to be explicit. This is an irrational premise. Then these explicit cases of BOD, BOB and I.I were inferred to be exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation.
This is all modernism and it is magisterial today.Pius X like the other popes contributed to it.
-Lionel Andrades

Thursday, September 3, 2015

Fr.Sabino Ardito's option for those Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate priests who want to offer only the Traditional Latin Mass?




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Fr.Sabino Ardito SDB, Commissar to the Franciscans of the Immaculate is going to force the Friars who want to offer only the Traditional Latin Mass to officiate at inter-faith marriages, when they know outside the Church there is so salvation?
He will want them to pray with Christians ( Baptists, Lutherans, Orthodox Christians) and not say that Vatican Council II, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and th Syllabus of Errors indicate all Christians need to formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation?
He will expect these Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate priests, who want to offer only the Traditional Latin Mass, to not tell Hindus, Buddhists, Jews and Muslims that they are all oriented to Hell according to Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?
They will have to give dispensations for marriages between Jews and Catholics  even though Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation, and Jews have neither of the two.They would have to give the Eucharist to these inter-faith marriage couples and not tell them that they are living in adultery.
This would all be heretical and contrary to the text of Vatican Council II and traditional teachings on mortal sin and salvation.
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Fr. Settimo Manelli F.I , former Rector of the philosophy seminary and Parish Priest at the  Santa Maria di Nazareth Church, Boccea, Rome will be expected to give dispensations for Jewish-Catholic marriages, even though the dogma EENS and Vatican Council II(AG 7,LG 14) tells us Jews  are outside the Church and on the way to Hell.
Fr.Settimo will have to follow Canon Law and interpret being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire as being explicit and so exceptions to the traditional interpretatiopn of  extra ecclesiam nulla salus,even when he does not and cannot know of any exceptions!?
 The Italian priest will have to teach all  in Catechesis that the baptism of desire and blood  are known baptisms  so there are three baptisms and not one baptism, as we pray in the Nicene Creed.
He will have to say that the Athanasius Creed  is no longer applicable  since there is known salvation outside the Church.So every one does not need to be a formal members of the Catholic Church for salvation,as that Creed states.
While Fr.Peter Damien Fehlner F.I, Fr.Angelo Geiger F.I and Fr.Martin M.Fonte ( Phillipines Delegate), who offer only the Novus Ordo Mass, will agree to all this?
This was not the ecclesiology of St.Maximillian Kolbe.
-Lionel Andrades

Andrea Tornielli needs to see the nonsense theology being forced upon the Franciscans of the Immaculate and the SSPX

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Andrea Tornielli
Andrea Tornielli needs to see the nonsense theology being forced upon the Franciscans  of the Immaculate and the SSPX
Andrea Tornielli at La Stampa/ Vatican Insider must know that there is no doctrinal problem in the Franciscans of the Immaculate (F.I) and the SSPX  issue, if he and the rest of the Staff at La Stampa, consider Lumen Gentium 16 (LG 16) as being implicit  and not explicit, invisible and not invisible to us.This is the key.
Revolve it around the FFI/SSPX  issue  and it will unlock a successful agreement between the Vatican and these communities, now in an irregular situation.
 When the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate  ask to offer only the Traditional Latin Mass , in their community, they mean they want only the old ecclesiology.
They can have only the old ecclesiology if they consider LG 16 Vatican Council II  as being theoretical and not defacto known  in personal cases They are  hypothetical and not practically seen.Only the old ecclesiology is rational.
It's as simple as this.It was so simple that every one overlooked it.
If Andrea Tornielli interprets all salvation in Heaven as being implicit for him and explicit only for God, then there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the 'rigorist interpretation' of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).EENS is central to the old ecclesiology which the F.I and SSPX want.

NEW ECCLESIOLOGY BASED ON AN IRRATIONAL INFERENCE
If Andrea Tornielli understands and accepts this then it means he has to reject the new ecclesiology of Pope Benedict and Pope Francis.It has to be rejected since it is based on salvation in Heaven being explicit for us and explicit also for God. This is irrational.It creates nonsense  theology, Catholics are not obliged to follow it.
It is this nonsense theology that the Franciscans of the Immaculate are refusing to accept and so want to hold on to the old Mass, only.They are not aware that they can offer the new Mass  also with this old ecclesiology, which is rational and traditional. They have a choice  but are unaware of it.Ecclesiology does not depend on the liturgy. Lex Orandi Lex Credendi (the law of praying is the law of believing).As we pray we worship and we can pray with the doctrines of the old or new ecclesiology.

SALESIAN BOOK SHOP
Yesterday I was at the Salesian bookstop in front of Termini, Rome and I noticed a colourful magazine for young Catholics on the subject of dialogue with non Christians.There were techniques given, different approaches, new suggestions and there was a picture of Chiara Lubich of the Focolares BUT THERE WAS NO DOCTRINE!
These young people were not doing dialogue with the ecclesiology of Don Bosco.They would have to dialogue with a Vatican Council II in which LG 16 is explicit and so a break with Don Bosco's understanding of the dogma EENS. It is this LG 16 irrationality that the Franciscans  of the Immaculate and Fr.Stefano Mannelli F.I , the founder, would want to avoid.Even the Secretary General of the F.I as a priest would not want to proclaim and teach this irrationality.

DIALOGUE WITH MUSLIMS
In dialogue for a Muslim it is clear for him that the Quran and Islamic Tradition says non Muslims are going to Hell.Yet for a young Catholic this is not clear, since he or she uses the LG 16 is explicit inference.So doctrine is changed in dialogue for a Catholic.
For a Muslim it is clear tht he cannot marry a non Catholic unless the spouse converts to Islam , since non Muslims are going to  Hell.While with the new ecclesiology a Catholic can marry a non Catholic, since there is salvation outside the Church.LG 16, UR 3, NA 2 etc  all refer to salvation outside the Church.They refer to explicit and not implicit cases, so they refer to exceptions to the old traditional interpretation of EENS.
See the difference!
This is what  the Franciscans of the Immaculate are fighting for when they say TLM only!
Vatican Insider could at least discuss this subject so that the Vatican Curia can see how nonsensical and heretical  their magisterial position is.
How can we humans see people in Heaven saved with the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance?
How can we also see these cases in Heaven saved without the baptism of water ?
 Do we have some Superman or super human sight or insight in general?
 How can these cases which are invisible be exceptions to all needing to convert into the Church today?
Why should the Franciscans and the SSPX be forced to accept LG 16, UR 3, NA 2 etc as referring to visible on earth cases?
Does the SSPX have to accept lunatic theories to gain canonical status?
The SSPX and F.I  are not opposed to Vatican Council II per se but Vatican Council II in which LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc are assumed to be explicit instead of implicit, visible instead of invisible.When this distinction is not made then the Council is interpreted with an irrational premise. So the Council then emerges as a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the old ecclesiology.

ENTIRE CHURCH AVOIDS DOCTRINE
It is hoped that Pope Francis will interpret Vatican Council II without the irrationality and so then the entire Church can accept Vatican Council II along with the old ecclesiology and without any strange innovations in theology.

The Vatican can simply do this by announcing that there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.LG 16 is not an exception.

Pope Francis simply has to announce that there are no known exceptions in 2015 to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, so the Church's ecclesiology  has not changed, it is the same as the old ecclesiology of the SSPX.

The doctrinal issue has still not be touched by Pope Francis.He is waiting for the SSPX to come into the Church accepting Vatican Council II as a break with the old ecclesiology. Vatican Insider is not aware of this -Lionel Andrades
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Let the pope announce that LG 16 is implicit for us so the SSPX can have canonical status http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/09/let-pope-announce-that-lg-16-is.html


Church Militant TV has missed the point.The doctrinal issue has still not been touched by Pope Francis http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/09/church-militant-tv-has-missed-pointthe.html

It should come as no surprise then that AP is also spending a fortune on all the illegal immigration efforts that keep coming up - Michael Voris

The Vortex—The End of Civilization
by Michael Voris, S.T.B.September 2, 2015  
When the barbarian hordes descended on Europe in the fourth and fifth centuries, crushing underfoot what was left of cultural antiquity, it looked as if civilization was at an end. Irish monks, in their monasteries and scriptoriums, preserved the writings from antiquity by transcribing them for posterity. They kept the classics alive, safe in their isolation, keeping a secure touchstone to the civilization their faith had transformed. For this reason, the Irish are largely credited by historians with saving civilization.

This week, 1500 years of civilization will come to an end.

Indications are very strong that after hundreds of millions of U.S. dollars poured into the Irish nation by pagan Americans, homosexuality will win a national referendum as being equal to traditional marriage. Surveys do show the gap narrowing as we get down to the Friday vote, but the margin is still somewhere around 10 percent in favor of sodomite unions becoming legalized. This will be the first time in the history of the world that the issue will have been approved by a national referendum of voters.

It was Ireland — through St. Patrick — that cemented the overthrow of homosexuality as an acceptable practice as it was engaged in regularly by the Celtic warriors. The rise of Catholicism brought an end to that. Now 1500-plus years later, homosexuality is being embraced and is evidence of Catholicism coming to an effective end in Ireland.

How did this happen? Two causes: the failure of Catholic leaders, and huge financial pressure from America.

First, the money: The grant foundation Atlantic Philanthropies has funneled hundreds of millions of dollars into Ireland to change the culture toward evil. Huge sums of money have been given in grants by AP to groups advocating for sodomite marriage. And if you've never heard of Atlantic Philanthropies, don't worry. Many people haven't. But you've heard of many things they've caused to happen — like Obamacare, for example. They were the leading bankroller of lobbying groups to push through the immoral legislation. And who said politicians couldn't be bought? It should come as no surprise then that AP is also spending a fortune on all the illegal immigration efforts that keep coming up.

So, pro-homosexuality, pro-contraception/abortion, pro-illegal immigration — does anyone sense a civilization destabilization effort at work here?

And the only force able to counter this kind of organized evil is the Catholic Church. And where were Catholic leaders these last 20–30 years in Ireland? Nowhere to be found.

They were busy not teaching the Faith, covering up homosexual priests who raped altar boys, advancing the militant homosexual cause by talking like sissies about having to find a way to accommodate the disordered love between members of the same sex. Not totally surprising, that, since they counted so many active homosexuals in their own ranks.

Mark the date and put a big red circle around it: May 22 — the day that in all likelihood civilization comes to end, on the very shores that preserved it, brought on by a foreign invasion — and this time left undefended by a clergy who had forsaken the Faith and embraced the very evil their patron saint had defeated.

Pray that whatever Almighty God has to do to rid the world of these evils that He commence so that justice may be established.
 

Massive Islamic Prayers in Budapest Square

Muslims Budapest2
 
The Invasion: Massive Islamic Prayers in Budapest Square By Pamela Geller on September 2, 2015
                      
The EU tells members, take migrants or lose grants. Armaros explains this incredible scene from this Budapest newspaper report: My short take is this: Essentially the Hungarians got stuck with these invaders as Germany would be willing to take them, Austria and the Slovaks/ Czechs would not let the trains pass their borders. Leaving Hungary stuck with them.
http://pamelageller.com/2015/09/the-invasion-massive-islamic-prayers-in-budapest-square.html/

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/09/eu-refugee-crisis-hundreds-enter.html