Thursday, December 18, 2014

Pope John Paul II made a doctrinal error

Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger were wrong. Since they assumed Pope Pius XII was correct.For them there were exceptions to the dogma on salvation. If there were exceptions then it means the deceased now in Heaven are visible to be exceptions.Those  saved with the  baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance were physically visible on earth!.
It is with this irrational inference ( the dead-saved are visible exceptions to Fr.Leonard Feeney)  that Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger interpreted Vatican Council II.
For Cardinal Ratzinger  this irrationality was  'a development of doctrine'.It is a development,  he says, 'in the realm of the truths of faith'. He based his new theology on the dead now in heaven being visible on earth and considered it a development.
The irrationality was not corrected in Catechesis Tradendae of Pope John Paul II in 1979 when Cardinal Ratzinger was not yet appointed the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (1981).
 
28.The Church has faithfully preserved what the word of God teaches, not only about truths which must be believed but also about moral action, action pleasing to God (cf. 1 Th 4:1); she has achieved a doctrinal development analogous to that which has taken place in the realm of the truths of faith. Assisted by the Holy Spirit who leads her into all the truth (cf. Jn 16:13), the Church has not ceased, nor can she ever cease, to contemplate the "mystery of the Word Incarnate", in whom "light is shed on the mystery of man".-Veritatis Splendor,1993
Lionel:
The irrationality and development of doctrine can be seen here in Redemptoris Missio in which extra ecclesiam nulla salus, defined by three Church Councils is rejected.Fr.Leonard Feeney was taboo.
 10. The universality of salvation means that it is granted not only to those who explicitly believe in Christ and have entered the Church. Since salvation is offered to all, it must be made concretely available to all. But it is clear that today, as in the past, many people do not have an opportunity to come to know or accept the gospel revelation or to enter the Church. The social and cultural conditions in which they live do not permit this, and frequently they have been brought up in other religious traditions. For such people salvation in Christ is accessible by virtue of a grace which, while having a mysterious relationship to the Church, does not make them formally part of the Church but enlightens them in a way which is accommodated to their spiritual and material situation. This grace comes from Christ; it is the result of his Sacrifice and is communicated by the Holy Spirit. It enables each person to attain salvation through his or her free cooperation.-Redemptoris Missio 1990
 
Lionel:
  For such people salvation in Christ is accessible by virtue of a grace... Who are these people? They are not known to us. We cannot know their names.They are known only to God. For Cardinal Ratzinger however 'these people' are real exceptions to the dogma.So the Church Councils were wrong over the centuries for him.Every one no more needs to enter the Church formallly to avoid Hell.
The mistake comes from the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.Pope Pius XII assumed that the necessity of means or precept, being saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance,all referred to actual cases that we can know of.
Only God can judge who can be saved according to the necessity of means and precept.So if it was just mentioned and left at that it would not be a problem.But it was assumed that necessity of means and precept were exceptions to the traditional interpretatiom of Fr.Leonard Feeney.So if they were exceptions then then would have to be visible and known.This was the mistake.
 Invisible cases cannot be relevant or an exception to the thrice defined dogma. This dogma is  not mentioned anywhere in Redemptoris Mission, a   document on mission and evangelisation.A defined dogma has developed! It nor more exists.
Here is 'the doctrinal development' Pope John Paul II overlooked.
 
32.In this context, it is extremely important to give a correct and fair presentation of the other Churches and ecclesial communities that the Spirit of Christ does not refrain from using as means of salvation; "moreover, some, even very many, of the outstanding elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church herself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church."Among other things this presentation will help Catholics to have both a deeper understanding of their own faith and a better acquaintance with and esteem for their other Christian brethren, thus facilitating the shared search for the way towards full unity in the whole truth. It should also help non-Catholics to have a better knowledge and appreciation of the Catholic Church and her conviction of being the "universal help toward salvation." -Catechesis Tradendae 1979
 
Lionel:
Pope John Paul II rejects the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus .He says  'many, of the outstanding elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church herself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church'. He implies that these elements outside the Church leading to salvation, are defacto, explicit, visible and seen in real life. So they become concrete exceptions to the traditional interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.For Pope John Paul II everyone does not need to be a formal member of the Catholic Church - there are exceptions which 'exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church' .How would he know they exist? If we cannot name them they cannot be exceptions to the dogma. This is Cushingism. Dejure, invisible and hypothetical cases are considered defacto, visible and seen in the flesh.
Since there are explicit exceptions for Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger there will be exceptions in the Nicene Creed. I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin now refers to three known baptisms for the forgiveness of sin.The baptism of water,desire and blood.This is irrational. Since the baptism of desire and blood are known only to God.We cannot administer them.We cannot say that someone will be saved without the baptism of water. There is in reality only one known baptism, the baptism of water.
This irrationality is repeated in Profession of faith and the recitation of the Nicene Creed.
This same Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed is contained in the Profession of faith developed by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith,(1) which must be made by specific members of the faithful when they receive an office, that is directly or indirectly related to deeper investigation into the truths of faith and morals, or is united to a particular power in the governance of the Church.- -Ad Tuendam Fidem,1998
Lionel:
It is not a truth of the faith to infer that there are three known baptisms for the forgiveness of sin. Also with this irrationality there would be more than three known baptisms. There is being saved with ' the seeds of the Word' (AG 11), imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3) , elements of sanctification and truth(LG 8), a ray of the Truth (NA 2) etc.Irrationality extended!
2. The Profession of faith, which appropriately begins with the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, contains three propositions or paragraphs intended to describe the truths of the Catholic faith, which the Church, in the course of time and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit “who will teach the whole truth” (Jn 16:13), has ever more deeply explored and will continue to explore. -Ad Tuendam Fidem,1998
Lionel:
How can the Holy Spirit teach irrationality? It also has  no traditional precedent before 1949.Magisterial documents before 1949 for instance mention the baptism of desire but do not say that it refers to visible and known cases. Neither does Mystici Corporis or the Council of Trent state that the baptism of desire is an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The first paragraph states: “With firm faith, I also believe everything contained in the word of God, whether written or handed down in Tradition, which the Church either by a solemn judgment or by the ordinary and universal Magisterium sets forth to be believed as divinely revealed.”(4) This paragraph appropriately confirms and is provided for in the Church’s universal legislation, in canon 750 of the Code of Canon Law(5) and canon 598 of the Code of the Canons of the Eastern Churches.--Ad Tuendam Fidem,1998
Lionel:
'With firm faith'..I believe in three or more known baptisms which exclude the baptism of water?
The third paragraph states: “Moreover I adhere with submission of will and intellect to the teachings which either the Roman Pontiff or the College of Bishops enunciate when they exercise their authentic Magisterium, even if they do not intend to proclaim these teachings by a definitive act.”(7) This paragraph has its corresponding legislative expression in canon 752 of the Code of Canon Law(8) and canon 599 of the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches.- Ad Tuendam Fidem,1998
Lionel:
The ordinary Magisterium teaches that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.How can invisible cases for us be defacto exceptions to the dogma?
3. The second paragraph, however, which states “I also firmly accept and hold each and everything definitively proposed by the Church regarding teaching on faith and morals,”(10) has no corresponding canon in the Codes of the Catholic Church. This second paragraph of the Profession of faith is of utmost importance since it refers to truths that are necessarily connected to divine revelation. These truths, in the investigation of Catholic doctrine, illustrate the Divine Spirit’s particular inspiration for the Church’s deeper understanding of a truth concerning faith and morals, with which they are connected either for historical reasons or by a logical relationship...- Ad Tuendam Fidem,1998
Lionel:
We have to accept the 'development of doctrine' based on the dead being visible exceptions to the traditional teaching on salvation?
Furthermore, each and everything set forth definitively by the Magisterium of the Church regarding teaching on faith and morals must be firmly accepted and held; namely, those things required for the holy keeping and faithful exposition of the deposit of faith; therefore, anyone who rejects propositions which are to be held definitively sets himself against the teaching of the Catholic Church.- Ad Tuendam Fidem,1998
Lionel:
'anyone who rejects propositions which are to be held definitively sets himself against the teaching of the Catholic Church'.The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, which Pope Pius XII called an 'infallible teaching' has been rejected in magisterial documents during the pontificate of Pope John Paul II. It is alleged that there are exceptions to the dogma. These exceptions refer to  persons who are assumed to be in Heaven and are not known to us in personal case.It is presumed that these persons now in Heaven are  seen and known on earth to be exceptions.This is fantasy. This cannot be the work of the Holy Spirit. It is an oversight by Pope John Paul II ( my favourite pope) and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.
This error was overlooked in the excommunication of Fr.Leonard Feeney. It was also unknown to the magisterium during the excommunication of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.Vatican Council II did not contradict the traditional teaching on other religions and Christian communities, as it was assumed. Since without the irrational premise, the Council is in agreement with extra ecclesiam nulla salus, as it was interpreted over the centuries by the Church Councils, popes and saints - before 1949
-Lionel Andrades
 

Similar to Dominus Iesus and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Cardinal Ratzinger used an irrational inference in Ut Unum Sin

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/similar-to-dominus-iesus-and-catechism.html

Franciscans of the Immaculate, SSPX note : Cardinal Ratzinger used an irrational inference in the interpretation of Dominus Iesus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/franciscans-of-immaculate-sspx-note.html

In Dominus Iesus Cardinal Ratzinger chose the irrational inference and rejected the traditional dogma on salvation http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/in-dominus-iesus-cardinal-ratzinger-has.html

Archbishop Lefebvre made a mistake with the Letter of the Holy Office and carried it over into Vatican Council II http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/archbishop-lefebvre-made-mistake-with.html

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Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-thomas-egullickson-says.html#links
 
June 21, 2014
Catholic Religious indicate the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made a factual mistake :implicit desire etc is not visible to us
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/catholic-religious-indicate-letter-of.html#links

Catholic religious contradict Bishop Fellay : Nostra Aetate is not an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/catholic-religious-contradict-bishop.html#links
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CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF

IRRESPECTIVE IF THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE RESULTS IN JUSTIFICATION OR JUSTIFICATON AND SALVATION IT IS NOT AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/irrespective-if-baptism-of-desie.html#links

Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martigioni

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Wednesday, December 17, 2014

Similar to Dominus Iesus and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Cardinal Ratzinger used an irrational inference in Ut Unum Sin

When Pope John Paul II issued Ut Unum Sint on Ecumenism (1995) Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.For him Pope Pius XII was correct and Fr.Leonard Feeney was wrong.There was known salvation outside the Church. Those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire were saved without the baptism of water.These theoretical cases for us ,were known exceptions to the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney. In other words, like the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 Cardinal Ratzinger assumed that these cases were visible in the flesh, personally known to be exceptions to all needing the baptism of water in the present times.If they were not known how could they be exceptions? So they had to be known on earth!
With this irrationality of being able to see the dead; the visible dead theory, he reviewed and approved the document Ut Unum Sint.
 
The Holy SeeUT UNUM SINT
On commitment to Ecumenism


10. In the present situation of the lack of unity among Christians and of the confident quest for full communion, the Catholic faithful are conscious of being deeply challenged by the Lord of the Church. The Second Vatican Council strengthened their commitment with a clear ecclesiological vision, open to all the ecclesial values present among other Christians.
Lionel:
In the following passages he will change Church ecclesiology with the irrationality of the visible- dead being explicit exceptions to traditional salvation and ecclesiology.
 
 The Catholic faithful face the ecumenical question in a spirit of faith.
The Council states that the Church of Christ "subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the Successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him", and at the same time acknowledges that "many elements of sanctification and of truth can be found outside her visible structure. These elements, however, as gifts properly belonging to the Church of Christ, possess an inner dynamism towards Catholic unity".
Lionel:
Note : Lumen Gentium 8 says 'This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church' and  'many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure '. Please read LG 8 again.It nowhere says that these elements of sanctification and of truth are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It does not state that we know  ,or can know of, persons saved as such and saved without Catholic Faith.
The text does not say. Yet it is inferred by Ut Unum Sint that there are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So the dogma has been changed. Ecclesiology has been changed.Visible exceptions!?
 
"It follows that these separated Churches and Communities, though we believe that they suffer from defects, have by no means been deprived of significance and value in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church". 
Lionel:
Lumen Gentium 8 then says that a member of the separated Church and Communities could be saved. So there is salvation for Orthodox Christians and Protestants.This is a possibility.
A possibility, a hypothetical case for us is not a problem. Since a hypothetical case is not an explicit exception to all needing 'faith and baptism' for salvation. It does not contradict the 'rigorist interpretation' of Fr.Leonard Feeney.LG 8 is not opposed  to the traditional interpretation of the dogma which affirmed exclusive ecclesiology.
So if there are Protestants and Evangelicals saved 'from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church' it would not be known to us. They are invisible cases.So we can accept this possibility and also affirm 'the rigorist interpretation' of the dogma. They are compatible.However for Cardinal Ratzinger it would not be compatible. Since for him these are visible and known cases. They are explicit and objective in his mind. This is how he pictures them. So they would be exceptions to the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.Ecclesiology has changed for him! There is a new understanding of ecumenism and salvation.
11.Indeed, the elements of sanctification and truth present in the other Christian Communities, in a degree which varies from one to the other, constitute the objective basis of the communion, albeit imperfect, which exists between them and the Catholic Church. 
Lionel:
  'constitute the objective basis of the communion'. They are possibilities! How can they be objective basis for communion?
For Cardinal Ratzinger they are objective.He assumes these persons saved in imperfect communion with the Church are objectively visible. So they become objective exceptions to the interpretation of the dogma according to Fr.Leonard Feeney.How can the dead now in Heaven be objective exceptions to Fr.Leonard Feeney? He uses an irrationality and so cannot say that the dogma has not been contradicted and Protestants and Orthodox Christians need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.
 
To the extent that these elements are found in other Christian Communities, the one Church of Christ is effectively present in them.
Lionel:
How can we say that saving-elements are found in other Christian Communities and so they do not have to convert ?. Saving -elements in other communities would only be known to God.
 
 For this reason the Second Vatican Council speaks of a certain, though imperfect communion.
Lionel:
Imperfect communion-yes. However it is wrong to presume that this imperfect communion would be known to us in personal cases ,who do not need to convert into the Church.it would be irrational to infer that we know who is  saved 'outside the Church'.We do not know anyone in the present times who is saved outside the Catholic Church in a formal and objective sense. There would be some one saved outside the church if those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire were objectively seen and known to us.Cardinal Ratzinger infers they are.
 
Similar to Dominus Iesus and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Cardinal Ratzinger has accepted the irrationality of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and applied it in Church documents during the pontificate of Pope John Paul II.In this way he has changed the traditional  teachings on ecumenism, salvation, Social Reign of Jesus Christ over all political systems, Christology and ecclesiology.
This was also a break with Pope Paul VI in 1964.
Indeed, honesty compels us to declare openly our conviction that the Christian religion is the one and only true religion, and it is our hope that it will be acknowledged as such by all who look for God and worship Him.-Ecclesiam Suam, Encylical of Pope Paul VI on the Church 1964.
-Lionel Andrades
 
 

Franciscans of the Immaculate, SSPX note : Cardinal Ratzinger used an irrational inference in the interpretation of Dominus Iesus

 

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The Kindness of a Shepherd

December 15, 2014 by   

IMG_0763-smallFor Peter and Theresa Martin’s second son, life has not always been easy. Louis (pronounced loo-ee) was born with a rare disease (from a genetic mutation) that left his doctors confused and parents helpless for many years. For the first five years of his life, he suffered tremendously. He was on the couch surviving more than he was playing with his brothers and friends. Yet, instead of bitterness, his heart deepened in love and compassion through it all.
One Good Friday, his mother recalls, when he was four years old, he had to stay behind with his mother when his father and brothers went to the 7 Church Walk in their town. His skin was pale and eyes sunken, and his mother remembers thinking how heartbreaking it all was. “We had no answers and he just kept getting worse. I looked at his frail, ghostly figure and just cried. I then told him he could watch whatever video he wanted, because he was sick and I just wanted him to feel better! And do you know what this sweet 4 year old boy said to me?” she told us, “He said, ‘mama, I want to watch a video about Jesus, because he died today and he was hurting more than me.’ Yes, I cried again. What an amazing child!”
His parents finally received a correct diagnosis for Louis and when he began nightly injections of the proper medicine, his condition improved almost miraculously. He began to grow again; he could finally sleep through the night without the cranial pressure and nighttime vomiting; he could walk without pain; he could thrive! It was an answer to the family’s prayers. Yet, even as his physical condition improved his heart remained deeply passionate. His parents shared how he has his own way of doing things and many don’t understand his personality, but that doesn’t seem to bother him. Even though he still cries when remembering how he suffered, his view on life is hopeful and full of laughter and mischief. His love for Jesus continues to grow as well.
December 2013It was a little over a year ago on August 3, 2013 at the Shrine, that Louis’ older brother Gregory received his 1st Communion, along with three other children, from His Eminence Cardinal Burke. Louis sat with his family during the Mass and yet, afterwards he wouldn’t say a word. Finally, his parents discovered that he was heart broken that he couldn’t receive Jesus in the Eucharist like his brother. What happened next sent ripples of unexpected love through Louis’ family and through out the world. Cardinal Burke came to greet the families of the first communicants after Mass. He had a little gift for each one. When he approached the Martins, he gave Gregory his gift, but then saw Louis crying. There are some who when seeing a child crying don’t think much of it; children do cry for any number of reasons. Yet, Cardinal Burke didn’t just smile at the sad child, he asked what was wrong. Louis’ mother explained to His Eminence how he was sad that he did not get to receive his 1st Communion as well. Cardinal Burke looked compassionately at Louis. And this young boy, instead of turning away, leaned into the cardinal, grabbing his robes, and wept. His Eminence embraced him warmly and said, “don’t worry! Your first Communion will come soon enough!” Louis’ mother said he doesn’t normally open up to strangers, but there was something so full of love and tenderness in Cardinal Burke that she was not entirely surprised to see Louis who is so compassionate himself respond to such kindness of a true Shepherd of the Church.
The moment happened to be captured by Louis’ grandmother and the image once online went viral in days. It could be found on many websites all around the world in many languages and still continues to be used. It is a photo that cuts through the political arguments, impersonal theories and bickering “sides” and reveals the true heart of Christ in His Church. It was a moment the Martins said they would never forget.
small-IMG_0809The Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe was honored to be a part of this beautiful moment and now we saw it come to fulfillment. On December 12, 2014, on the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe herself, young Louis Martin received his first Holy Communion at the hands of His Eminence, Cardinal Burke, with his family all in attendance.
May our hearts be emboldened to desire Christ with such love and to reach out to encourage one another in love. As Cardinal Burke was, may we also be vehicles of the compassion of our Lady as she brings all to her Son. As Our Lady of Guadalupe told us, “I will show Him, I will exalt Him and make Him manifest. I will give Him to the people in all my personal love, in my compassion, in my help, in my protection: because I am truly your merciful Mother … Here I will hear their weeping, their complaints and heal all their sorrows, hardships and sufferings.”
 
http://www.guadalupeshrine.org/the-kindness-of-a-shepherd

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This Christmas you could give your loved ones the usual, clothes,gift card,more clothes, or you can give them the gift that keeps on giving- more than a thousand hours of real Catholic education.
Remember that the Catholic Church teaches infallibly in a dogma that all need to formally be a member of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.Every one needs Catholic Faith with the baptism of water. There are no exceptions this Christmas.We do not know any one saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire. We cannot know.This would only be known to God-that's if there ever was such a case.Being saved in invincible ignorance or 'seeds of the Word' or 'good and holy things in other religions' has nothing to do with the infallible teaching. Since these cases are invisible for us, they cannot be exceptions.Hypothetical cases cannot be defacto exceptions to the dogma. Zero cases of something cannot be exceptions says an American apologist.So it is important that non Catholics learn about The Faith. Catholics too must better understand it.
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Tuesday, December 16, 2014

Michael Voris assumes that being saved in invincible ignorance is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

It is not that they go to Hell if it is a case of being invincibly ignorant of the faith, if it is truly invincibly ignorant (1:40)...
 (2:50)True someone may not go to Hell because they did not know the faith, it was not properly explained to him.- Michael Voris
The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says all need to be formal members of the Catholic Church. Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) says all need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.We do not know any one saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water. There is no such case known to Michael Voris .
So being saved in invincible ignorance with or without the baptism of water, has nothing to do with the traditional interpretation of the dogma according to the Church Councils, the popes and saints.
Being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire had nothing to do with the traditional interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.It would have been an exception if there were known and visible cases.
 
This was the error made by the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and the Archbishop of Boston Cardinal Richard Cushing. They assumed that being saved in invincible ignorance referred to visible and known cases. So they concluded that there were exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma.
 Michael Voris makes the same Cushingite error.He assumes there are known and visible exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus in the present times.Invincible ignorance has nothing to do with the dogma.Hypothetical cases cannot be defacto exceptions to the dogma.
So it is no surprise that Michael Voris finds Vatican Council II ambigous. For him Lumen Gentium 16 ( being saved in invincible ignorance) would be an exception to the dogma.This is also the error made by the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, the communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney in the dioceses of Manchester and Worcester,USA. LG 16 does not state that these cases are known and visible to us in the present times!.Neither does it claim that invincible ignorance is an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is wrongly inferred by so many. They include Michael Voris.
If Church Militant could only make a Christmas Greeting saying give your friends a premium subsciption this Christmas, since outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation and all need to formally enter the Church in 2014 to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.We do not know any one who will be saved in invincible ignorance  or the baptism of desire.There are no such cases known over the last 70 years and more.So being saved in invincible ignorance has nothing to do with the traditional teaching on salvation.All in 2014-2015 need to formally enter the Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.So learn more about the Catholic Faith!-Lionel Andrades