Sunday, August 31, 2014

And if you said that the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II are Feeneyite could you still be a priest in good standing?

My PhotoFr.Martin Fox:
Your argument isn't with me, but Saint Thomas Aquinas, whose writing I have quoted several times in this thread, and which it's crystal clear you really don't comprehend. I really have nothing better to offer than his words. You are welcome to have the last word, as I will offer nothing more on this.

Lionel:
If you said that St.Thomas Aquinas contradicts the Catechism of the Catholic Church's 'God is not limited to the Sacraments' wouldn't it be a threat to your career.
And if you said that the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II are Feeneyite could you still be a priest in good standing?
And if you were rational and said that you cannot see with the naked eye any exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, would they allow you to offer Holy Mass.
Speaking the truth,proclaiming the Truth has consequences.
It's easier for me as a layman.
Thanks for talking about it,at least.I understand your motives are good.
-Lionel Andrades
 

 
This is a non traditional ( opposed to Aquinas and Augustine),irrational and heretical ( contradicting the Nicene Creed and the dogma on salvation) statement.

The Catechism and Vatican Council II are Feeneyite if you avoid the false premise http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/the-catechism-and-vatican-council-ii.html

It is common knowledge that we cannot see the dead who are in Heaven. CCC 1257-1260 infers that we can! http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/it-is-common-knowledge-that-we-cannot.html

CCC 1257 HERESY IS RELATED TO THE HOLY MASS

 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/ccc-1257-heresy-is-related-to-holy-mass.html

CCC 1257 IS HERESY: CONTRADICTS NICENE CREED AND EX CATHEDRA DOGMA ON SALVATION http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/08/ccc1257-etc-is-heresy-contradicts.html

 
 

Maria Divine Mercy in sync with Bishop Galantino

Mother of Salvation: Soon you will be asked to give out a substitute for the Holy Eucharist, which will not be the Body of my Son

My child, I stand before my Son, at this time, and fall on my face at His Feet in great sorrow. Just as I had to witness His Agony at the foot of His Cross, during His terrifying Crucifixion, I now have to endure His Pain once again.
My Son’s Crucifixion is taking place again as His Body, His Mystical Body, which is His Church on Earth, has to endure a scourging by His own. They, the enemies within His Church, will scourge His Body, tear It apart, mock Him cruelly and desecrate It, before they throw It aside. My Son’s Church is now to be scourged, during what will be the first stage of His Crucifixion on Earth in these times. They will take His Body – through the Holy Eucharist – and insult Him as well as degrade Him. Many signs will be seen of this, as every disrespectful and devious gesture will be made, in order to curse Him. When they have vilified His Most Holy Eucharist, they will then throw It away and soon It will be very difficult to receive It. This is just one of the many plans underway to wipe out my Son’s Presence in the Holy Mass.
Many will see these wicked gestures and know that they are insulting to my Son. Many will protest, but their voices will not be heard. To those poor priests, who will suffer because of this desecration, you must ask me, your Mother, to help you endure such pain. You must never ever tamper with the Holy Eucharist, for It is your only Food of Salvation. Without It, you will starve. It must always be made available to every single one of God’s children. You must never accept that any other kind of bread is the Food of Life.
Soon you will be asked to give out a substitute for the Holy Eucharist, which will not be the Body of my Son. You must remain true to the Gift of the Holy Eucharist even when you are told that It is no longer relevant – no longer acceptable in the new world religion.
Your Mother in Christ
Mother of Salvation
 

The danger to the Existence of the Holy Eucharist will be shown to you

My dearly beloved daughter, you now understand how much this Mission is detested by the evil one. You must, however, rise above the cruel obstacles placed before you to slow down My Work.
The danger to the Existence of the Holy Eucharist will be shown to you through the arrogance of those within My Church, whose plan to change the Truth has begun in earnest.
It does not matter that many amongst you sneer at My Mission to prepare your souls for the Great Day. In time you will know that it is indeed, I, Jesus Christ, Who comes to you in order to serve you.
I Am your Master and your Servant. You, My sacred servants, must remember your role and never forget it. As servants, you cannot be masters as well. For if you are a master, you cannot serve Me. Many of you within My Church have forgotten what you were taught. You have forgotten the Word of God.
My Promise is to provide you with the Food of Life – My Body and Blood – and yet, you will, once again, deny Me. You will do this by removing the Holy Eucharist from the Temple of God and you will replace It with a corpse. The substitute will be subtle and it will take a while before you can detect the evil action, which will be foisted upon you.
As My Body, through the Holy Eucharist, sustains you, the death of My Body, My Church, will bring death to the souls of those who discard Me.
The time for the abomination is very near. The time for choosing between My Path, or that of the false prophet, is almost upon you. Watch, now, as the Truth will be twisted by the imposter. See how he will exalt himself in My Shoes, but will refuse to walk the path of Truth as a servant of God.
Your Jesus
In a clear little volume dedicated to The Natural Law in The Doctrine of the Church (Consult Editrice, Rome, 2008), Cardinal Zenon Grocholewski, Prefect for the Congregation of Catholic Education, explained how the ordinary Magisterium, on the primary level of its infallible teaching, includes, alongside the deposit of the faith, whatever is connected to it, ergo, also the natural law. Therefore, the natural law which the Church is guardian of, enjoys infallibility. Not even the Pope, who exercises absolute authority inside the Church, can modify or render relative the Divine and Natural Law, which he has the duty to transmit, diffuse and defend. Those who are asking the Church to update Her morality i.e. putting cohabitating couples on a par with the family, are asking the Church to exercise an authority which She does not have.-Roberto de Mattei

Changes to be introduced in the Church, which will contradict the Word of God

My dearly beloved daughter, it is I, Jesus Christ, Who came in the flesh.
My Most Holy Word must now be heard by My sacred servants everywhere. All My followers must share these Messages with My sacred servants of all Christian denominations. It is vital that they are encouraged to hear My Word at this crucial time, before they are torn asunder and split into two camps.
The work of the deceiver has infiltrated My Church on every level. Very soon now, slowly but surely, you will see Holy Masses being reduced. You will see the removal of special prayers and some of the Sacraments, such as Confession, begin to diminish. I call on My sacred servants now to listen to Me and pray for discernment. It is I Who calls you now, so I can save your flock. It is I Who wants to open your hearts so you can plan for these end times, which will herald a brand new beginning for the world.
You will be asked to show allegiance to the false prophet very soon. See him for what he is and judge his works in order to see if they bear fruit. For the fruit that he and his slavish devotees will yield will be rotten to the core. One bite will destroy your allegiance to Me. Two or more bites will drive such a wedge between you and My Sacred Heart that you will find it almost impossible to enter My Father’s Kingdom.
Watch carefully now the changes you will see creeping in within your own ministry. Some of these adjustments will not seem to be a problem in the beginning. But as time moves on certain changes will be forced upon you and you will be made to swallow lies. The lies will come from Satan and will be dressed in sheep’s clothing.
For those pure of heart you will know instantly and will recognize the evil cunning in place, which is being designed to destroy My Church on Earth, from within its own corridors.
My Truth will cause gasps of indignity throughout the world when My priests will say surely this prophecy is a lie? The only lie that they will have to bear witness to will be the one they are forced to approve, which will be in direct opposition to My Sacred Scriptures given to mankind right from the start. Never allow yourselves to accept any other Truth other than that contained in the Holy Bible.
Many changes will be introduced, which will contradict the Word of My Eternal Father. These changes, My sacred servants, won’t be of divine origin and you must reject these untruths if you want to remain loyal to Me.
Wake up. Stand up to those lies you will have to face. Never accept them. My Eternal Father’s Word will never change. It can never be adjusted by mankind. Many of you will be so distraught that you will find yourselves isolated from your fellow sacred servants. Fear not, for there is only one side you can choose. That will be the side where I stand. There is no other side.
Your beloved Saviour
Jesus Christ

All the Fathers and Doctors of the Church spoke about this law, defining it at times as the scintilla animae, the spark which enlightens conscience. St.Thomas Aquinas is the one who studied and summarized the concept best, defining it as “the participation of the eternal law in rational creatures.” (Summa Theologiae, I-II, q. 91, a.2).
If the concept of the natural law is lost, we will be compelled to accept the theory of gender based on the denial of the very concept of human nature. Man is thought of as a purely material entity, modifiable at will, according to the needs and interests of the moment.
The natural law which comes down from God, is substituted by positive law imposed by pressures from political and mass-media groups. Instead of reflecting on the natural and Divine Law, laws and human behavior are adapting to the opinion of fluctuating and anti-Christian trends.
It is clear that on this issue, the discussion at the next Synod of Bishops will be very hot-Roberto de Mattei.

Many Popes have been prisoners in the Holy See, surrounded by Masonic groups

My dearly beloved daughter, to My churches through the world I say this:
Know that I will always be with you at your side, as long as you proclaim My Most Holy Word.
To My Catholic Church, even though you caused torment as a result of evil sin, know that I will never forsake you, although you have sinned. But know this.
Your faith in Me, is not as strong as it should be. You do not love Me, as you once did.
All the wealth you accumulated, put a distance between Me, your Christ and Saviour and God’s ordinary children.
You scaled such lofty heights, that I could not reach up to you and offer you My Hand to salvage you from the rot within your core.
You were taught the Truth by My Peter, upon whose Rock you were built. And what did you do?
You built thick stone walls around you.
This caused a lack of communication with those whom you needed to feed with My Body and Blood, so that their souls could be nourished.
The respect required of you in administering My Most Holy Eucharist, was lost, when you demeaned My Presence.
When Vatican II declared new rules, they were introduced, by those evil Masonic forces, from within your corridors.
They cunningly presented new ways to administer My Holy Eucharist, which are insulting to Me.
Your so-called tolerant teachings proclaimed a series of lies, including the refusal to acknowledge the power of Saint Michael the Archangel.
He is the protector of the Church against Satan. Those forces among you knew this. This is why you stopped all prayers, requesting his help, before Me at Mass.
Then you perpetrated the biggest untruth, that Hell was not to be feared. That it was just a metaphor. For this lie, accepted as the Truth by many of God’s children, has meant the loss of billions of souls.
How you offend Me. For those humble and sacred servants among you, I ask that you go back to My Teachings.
Never allow riches to accumulate amongst you and think that they are acceptable in My Eyes.
Riches, gold and power accumulated in My Name, will be your downfall. You cannot profit from My Holy Word.
You have suffered because of the way you have offended Me.
Never think that I Am blaming the many holy popes who have sat in the Seat of Peter. Their Mission has always been protected.
Many popes have been prisoners in the Holy See, surrounded by Masonic groups, who do not represent God.
They hate God and have spent fifty years spreading untruths, about the Mercy of God.
Their works have led to the collapse of the Catholic Church.
This was not an accident. It was deliberately and cunningly plotted in order to destroy the faith of the Church, to destroy the homage of ordinary Catholics, to the One True God.
For this, you will now be cast aside into the wilderness. After Pope Benedict, you will be led by Me, from the Heavens.
Oh how you have made Me weep.
I call on all of My sacred servants, who know the Truth, to stand up and follow Me, your Jesus, to spread the Truth of My Teachings in humble servitude. You must find the courage and the strength to rise from the ashes.
Above all, reject the lies, which will shortly be presented to you by the false prophet.
He will merge the Catholic Church with other churches, including pagan churches, to become one abomination, a one world church without a soul.
Your Jesus

http://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com/2014/06/26/the-amazing-statements-of-the-head-of-the-italian-episcopal-conference/

Importance of Sacraments – Marriage and First Holy Communion
My dearly beloved daughter, watch now as the faith of My children begins to grow and blossom. While there is much darkness in the world the light of My followers becomes brighter by the day because of the Flame of the Holy Spirit, which has descended over the whole world.
Today, My daughter, I wish to remind all of My followers of the importance of prayer to ease suffering in the world. Your prayers are now helping to avert many global disasters foretold. Prayer is the most powerful mitigation and when said on behalf of others, they will be answered.
While I Am happy with those of strong faith; I Am still fearful for those who are adverse to My Divine Light, the Truth. Many people now wander around the world as if in a stupor. Nothing brings them peace. Nothing brings them joy. No amount of material comfort eases their pain. Their empty souls are lost. Please pray for them.
My daughter, please pray for My Vicar, Pope Benedict, for he is surrounded by masonic forces who are now making every effort to dethrone him, these evil forces have been infiltrating My Church since Vatican II and have diluted My Teachings. Many laws were passed which offend Me, especially the presentation of My Holy Eucharist by lay people. The lack of respect shown to Me and My Eternal Father, through new laws introduced to facilitate modern society has made Me cry with sadness.
The Most Holy Eucharist must be received on the tongue and not soiled by human hands. Yet this is precisely what My sacred servants have done. These laws were not passed by Me in Spirit. My sacred servants have been led down a path not in line with the Teachings of My apostles. Today My Sacraments are not taken very seriously, especially those who seek the Sacraments of Matrimony and the First Holy Communion.
The Vow of Matrimony is very serious, for remember it is a Sacrament and is made in the Presence of God the Father, yet for many it all about materialism and the exterior trappings. Many who receive the Sacrament of Matrimony do not acknowledge its importance thereafter. Many break their vows so easily. Why do they do this? Why pay lip service to this most holy union only to part soon afterwards? This is a mockery of one of the most important unions blessed by the Hand of My Eternal Father. Many people do not pay any heed of My Father’s Will that no man shall pull asunder such a union thereafter, yet many people divorce, which is a law not recognized by My Father. Divorce is an easy way to run from your responsibilities. All marriages are made in Heaven. No man can destroy a marriage without offending My Father.
First Holy Communion
Receiving My Body in the Sacrament of the Eucharist for the first time is another example as to how I Am mocked. So many parents pay no heed to the importance of their children receiving the Bread of Life. They are more concerned as to how well-dressed their children are, rather than the wonderful Gift they are receiving. This Gift will lead them to salvation. Yet the materialism, which surrounds the event, has nothing to do with their souls. For Me the saddest part is that these little children are not being told about Me. The Love I have for little children is all-encompassing. When they receive the Holy Eucharist, in the full knowledge as to what they are receiving, then their souls become pure. The more they receive Me in this way, the stronger will their faith be.
Remember, without the Sacraments, your faith becomes weak. After a time, if your soul is bereft of My special blessings, it becomes dormant. All faith in Me and My Eternal Father disappears in time with only a tiny flicker of recognition flaring up from time to time. Return to Me through the Sacraments. Show respect for the Sacraments in the way you are supposed to and you will truly feel My Presence again.
Remember, the Sacraments are there for a reason, for they are the nutrients you need for eternal life of the soul. Without them your soul will die.
I love you all. Please embrace Me properly, by respecting the Sacraments given to you as a Gift from God the Almighty Father.
Your loving Saviour
King of Mankind, Jesus Christ
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Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate are misled by the line 'God is not limited to the Sacraments'


If the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate who offer the Novus Ordo Mass and the Traditional Latin Mass, interpret the Catechism and Vatican Council II as Feeneyites, then they can endorse Tradition and also the Council. Without the false premise they can have it both ways.It would not violate the Principle of Non Contradiction. They can affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also implicit for us baptism of desire, invisible for us being saved in invincible ignorance etc.
Presently,like you Fr.Martin, most of them interpret the Council and Catechism with the irratioinal premise (except for a few of them).So the Council comes across as a break with the past and then reject it.
They are misled by the line 'God is not limited to the Sacraments' as referring to real, visible exceptions.This is irrational.-Lionel Andrades



Upon a hypothetical case Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger cannot reject a de fide teaching which says God has bound salvation to the Sacraments



Fr.Martin Fox:
Thank you for stating your position.
So, when Augustine says (as reported by St Thomas Aquinas):
"some have received the invisible sanctification without visible sacraments, and to their profit; but though it is possible to have the visible sanctification, consisting in a visible sacrament, without the invisible sanctification, it will be to no profit."
You disagree with Augustine?
It's a yes or no question.
Your answer should be one word.
Yes. Or no.


Lionel:

Fr.Martin Fox says:
Augustine
'some have received the invisible sanctification without visible sacraments, and to their profit; but though it is possible to have the visible sanctification, consisting in a visible sacrament, without the invisible sanctification, it will be to no profit."

Lionel:
'some have received the invisible sanctification without visible sacraments, and to their profit'.This is irrelevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the need for all to receive the baptism of water. Since we do not know and cannot know any such case in 2014.It is hypothetical.

Even if it is correct, as it is meaningful for you, what bearing does it have on all needing the baptism of water for salvation in 2014 and there are no exceptions?

So even if there was such a case one could not say 'God is not limited to the Sacraments' since this case would not be part of the reality of Cardinal Ratzinger.

Upon a hypothetical case he cannot reject a de fide teaching which says God has bound salvation to the Sacraments.
-Lionel Andrades

This is a non traditional ( opposed to Aquinas and Augustine),irrational and heretical ( contradicting the Nicene Creed and the dogma on salvation) statement.

Fr Martin Fox said...


One more try and then that's it.
Focus, focus focus....
You claimed Ratzinger made an error regarding one, particular statement:
"God is not limited to the sacraments."
I'm telling you that Aquinas said virtually the same thing. I quoted it above.
If you respond, respond by addressing this ONE AND ONLY ONE issue. Not "seeing the dead." Whatever the merits of that topic, I did not intend to ask about that, and at this moment, that is not my concern.
Please address how Ratzinger's quoted statement above can be wrong, but not Aquinas.
If you don't want to address that ONE AND ONLY topic, then there's no need to respond at all.


Lionel:

"God is not limited to the sacraments."
This implies that there is known salvation outside the Church and so ...God is not limited to the Sacraments.
It implies that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance (CCC 1258-1260) are visible in the flesh in 2014 for them to be exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation.So God is not limited to the Sacraments.

This is false since we do not know any person in 2014 who is an exception to all needing the baptism of water.
It is false since no magisterial text before 1949 claims we know such persons in real life.
It is false since no magisterial text before the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 claims that there are known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So how can it be said God is not limited to the sacraments when there is no New Revelation in the Catholic Church to contradict the thrice defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
It is wrong since it would contradict Vatican Council II (AG 7) and the Catechism itself (846,1257).
It contradicts St.Thomas Aquinas who says the baptism of water is always needed for salvation.He never claimed that there were known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
This is a non traditional ( opposed to Aquinas and Augustine),irrational and heretical ( contradicting the Nicene Creed and the dogma on salvation) statement.
-Lionel Andrades


Saturday, August 30, 2014

The Catechism and Vatican Council II are Feeneyite if you avoid the false premise

Feeneyism holds the literal and traditional interpretationa of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which the Catholic Church  has not retracted. Feeneyism rejects a visible to us baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance.So there are no defacto exceptions to all needing the baptism of water. It means in Heaven there are only Catholics .They are are there with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water and without mortal sin.
This is also the teaching of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II if you are careful to avoid the false premise i.e the premise of the dead being  visible in 2014 who are  exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
Feeneyism:
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. 
 With the False premise :
CCC 846.Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.( and these cases are known to us in 2014 and so contradict CCC 846 above)

With the False premise :
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church ( and are known to us in 2014 and so contradict CCC 846):

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience ( and who are visible and personally known to us in 2014)- those too may achieve eternal salvation.

With the False premise :
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him.( and who are visible and personally known to us in 2014)  


Without the false premise:
Eliminate the part in red type, the irrational premise, and CCC 847-848 do not contradict Feeneyism in the Catechism of the Catholic Church i.e 846.
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Feeneyism
1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them.
False premise:
Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament.( and we personally know in 2014 these persons who are saved as such in Heaven and so they are explicit exceptions to the above part of CCC 1257.They contradict Feeneyism.)
Feeneyism:
 (CCC 1257) The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." 
Feeneyism:
(CCC1257) God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism,...
False Premise:
(CCC1257) but he himself is not bound by his sacraments (since in 2014 thee are visible for us cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church i.e without the baptism of water and Catholic Faith)
False Premise:
1258 The Church has always held the firm conviction that those who suffer death for the sake of the faith without having received Baptism are baptized by their death for and with Christ. This Baptism of blood, like the desire for Baptism, brings about the fruits of Baptism without being a sacrament ( and these cases are personally known to us in 2014 . They are not hypothetical cases and so they contradict Feeneyism in CCC 1257).
1259 For catechumens who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament.( and these cases are personally known to us in 2014 . They are not hypothetical cases and so they contradict Feeneyism in CCC 1257).
1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."63 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.( and these cases are personally known to us in 2014 . They are not hypothetical cases and so they contradict Feeneyism in CCC 1257).
Without the False Premise:
1257.Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament.(Reason tells us that these cases are invisible for us and known only to God)
CCC1257) but he himself is not bound by his sacraments (Reason tells us that these cases are invisible for us and known only to God)
1258 The Church has always held the firm conviction that those who suffer death for the sake of the faith without having received Baptism are baptized by their death for and with Christ. This Baptism of blood, like the desire for Baptism, brings about the fruits of Baptism without being a sacrament (Reason tells us that these cases are invisible for us and known only to God)
1259 For catechumens who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament.(Reason tells us that these cases are invisible for us and known only to God)
1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."63 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.(Reason tells us that these cases are invisible for us and known only to God)
 
Feeneyism
CCC 845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.

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Vatican Council II 

Feeneyism:
Ad Gentes 7: Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the
Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. 
False premise:
Ad Gentes 7 : Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it.(these cases being kown to us in 2014)
False premise:
Ad Gentes 7 :Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6)(and these cases are known to us in 2014)...
Without the False premise:
Ad Gentes 7 : Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it.(Reason tells us that these cases are known only to God and so this passage is not an exception to Feeneyism )
Without the false  premise:
 
Ad Gentes 7 :Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6)(Reason tells us that these cases are known only to God and so this passage is not an exception to Feeneyism ).
 
Similarly Lumen Gentium 8 and 16, Unitatis Redintigratio 3, Nostra Aetate 2 etc are not exceptions to Feeneyism.-Lionel Andrades

Yemen: Woman burned to death by brother for converting to Christianity

By on Aug 29, 2014 

Nazeera-receiving-hospital-treatment-after-fire-attack.-Morning-Star-News-via-SaeedMuhammad commanded: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari 9.84.57). This is still the position of all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, both Sunni and Shi’ite. Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the most renowned and prominent Muslim cleric in the world, has stated: “The Muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them. The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-`ashriyyah, Al-Ja`fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.” There is only disagreement over whether the law applies only to men, or to women also – some authorities hold that apostate women should not be killed, but only imprisoned in their houses until death.
Yet in the West, Islamic apologists blandly assert that Islam has no death penalty for apostasy, and that’s that: human rights organizations and Western governments do nothing for these threatened people.
“Woman in Yemen Burned to Death for Her Faith,” Morning Star News, August 29, 2014:
ISTANBUL (Morning Star News) – On the morning of June 9 in southern Yemen, Saeed woke to the sound of screaming. He shot out of bed, pushed panicked family members aside and saw his wife stumbling out of their kitchen, engulfed in flames.
His wife, Nazeera, had been preparing breakfast at about 9 a.m. when she poured liquid from a cooking oil bottle into a hot pan. The liquid flashed, and the bottle exploded. While her four children watched, screaming, Nazeera was being burned alive.
“I rushed out of the room,” Saeed (full name undisclosed for security reasons) told Morning Star News, weeping. “I couldn’t even speak to ask her what happened. All I could think about was putting the fire out and then getting her to the hospital. But my 16-year-old son, he couldn’t stop himself and held on to her, hugging her while she was burning. He got hurt, and I had to pull him away from her.”
About two weeks later, Nazeera, 33, died as a result of her burns. When Saeed returned to his home in a village (undisclosed for security reasons) after her death, a relative told him the unthinkable – members of both his family and hers had taken the vegetable oil out of the bottle and replaced it with gasoline. Saeed knew the reason – many years ago, the two had become Christians and refused to return to Islam.
After living in hiding in Yemen for several months, Saeed was able to flee to the relative safety of another country, he told Morning Star News.
Before the attack, Saeed and his wife had already decided to flee their families and the 99 percent Muslim country on the Arabian Peninsula. They got their travel papers two days before the sabotaged bottle exploded.
Medical Care
After doctors said there was nothing more they could do for Nazeera, friends of the couple were able to secure a room in a hospital in Egypt for further treatment. Nazeera died that day, before they could go.
Saeed was with her when she died. Among her last words to him was not to worry and to take care of their children. Saeed left the hospital and took the two-hour trip back home. There a relative told him that one of his brothers and one of her brothers had conspired against them to punish them.
“I was told by one of our relatives that it was a set-up, and they replaced the cooking oil with petrol, which caught flames as soon as she poured it out,” he said.
When Saeed went to police for help, officers told him to bring witnesses who could testify about the alleged conspiracy to sabotage the cooking oil bottle. His children only saw the explosion and could not testify regarding sabotage, and Saeed’s relatives refused to incriminate the alleged conspirators, their own family members.
“No one will be a witness for us,” Saeed said. “And my family told me that if I was killed and cut into pieces, they wouldn’t do anything to help or be a witness on my side.”
Saeed buried his wife and tried to sell everything left in his home, but family members blocked his efforts. Initially his four children lived at his mother’s house after the attack, but he secretly took them to another country before relatives could take them from him.
His last image of home was his relatives descending on his house, he said.
“I lost the way to support myself and everything we had,” he said. “And when we were leaving, I was trying to sell things we had, but some of my family members stopped it so I wouldn’t get anything. Even the day I took the children to leave [the country], they attacked our house and divided our things among themselves. They destroyed the rest.”
A New Faith
Saeed, 45, was born into a Muslim family in a small village in south Yemen that he would not identify for security reasons.
As a high school Arabic teacher, Saeed read a lot of newspapers to incorporate current events into his classes. In 1997, he was reading an article about a member of the Yemeni Parliament doing something seen as a sin in Islam. Later he was struck by a columnist’s article about the incident urging forgiveness.
“A local journalist wrote an article saying, ‘Why don’t you forgive him like Essa [Jesus] said. If you forgive other people, your heavenly Father will forgive you. But if you do not forgive other people, your Father will not forgive you,’” Saeed said. “I heard this verse and was amazed that God talks about forgiveness, and I wanted to know more about Him, but as you know, you can hardly find Bibles in Yemen. I waited, and in 2003, I heard one of my students talking about a Christian radio station that broadcasts for half an hour a day in the Yemeni dialect. That’s how I came to know about Jesus.”
Saeed married Nazeera in 1998. By 2003, when he began drifting from Islam to become a Christian, he had two sons and his wife was pregnant with their first daughter. All of them, including his wife, followed him in his newfound faith.
When people in his village started to notice a change in the way he acted, they started harassing him.
“I was also punished at work,” Saeed said. “In 2003, I was suspended for being a Christian from my work for a year, and then when I returned, instead of putting me back in my place as a secondary school teacher, I was demoted and placed in a primary school. Instead of working in a school about 100 meters away from my house, the new school where I taught was 5 kilometers [3 miles] away, which I had to walk to every day.”
At the primary school, things got worse. He was suspended once, he said, for refusing to donate 500 rials (US$2.40) that the school was collecting from every worker for Hamas, a Palestinian Islamic organization designated as a terrorist group by the United States and other nations.
In March he refused to give a donation at school to a charitable Islamic association affiliated with another terrorist group. A member of the charity accused Saeed of being an “infidel” and then encouraged another teacher to assault him. The teacher beat him in front of more than 1,000 students. Saeed did not fight back, he said.
Persecution from Nazeera’s family was no less severe. They essentially kidnapped her three times in three years in hopes of convincing her to leave “the infidel.”
“But she kept saying that she wanted to be with me, and that she believes in what I believe, and that no matter what, she won’t leave me and the children,” Saeed said.
At least one human rights group that advocates for persecuted Christians and a group of Christians assisting Saeed have confirmed the details of his ordeal. One religious freedom advocate said that while today’s headlines are full of stories about terrorist groups brutalizing Christian communities in the Middle East, the day-to-day life and death struggles of converts often go forgotten.
“Though clearly an extreme case of persecution, this incident illustrates the pressure converts are under,” said the advocate, who requested anonymity for security reasons.
The killing was “a huge tragedy,” he added. “That is not anything anyone should have to go though alone. It is the worst place to be.”
Defying common logic, Saeed said God allowed the atrocity to take place to “strengthen our faith and use us more in His Kingdom.”
“We ask people to pray for us, as we are all alone in this new place,” he said (Morning Star News has confirmed the country, undisclosed for security reasons). “Pray for my children, as now I am their mother and father and only friend. We need prayers for God’s strength and to give us strong faith. I want people outside to know that even if we get cut into pieces, we won’t leave Jesus Christ.”