Monday, April 23, 2018

New Catholic ecumenical groups must be formed which do not interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition, affirm the old traditional ecumenism in harmony with the Council and the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church

New Catholic ecumenical groups must be formed which do not interpret  Vatican Council II  as a rupture with Tradition.They  participate in ecumenical meetings along side the present Catholic ecumenical groups, for example, in England,where they interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition.The new ecumenical groups  would affirm the old traditional ecumenism of the Catholic Church in harmony with Vatican Council II and the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.The present ecumenism of the Catholic Church in Britain is based on the new ecumenism which assumes there is known salvation outside the Catholic Church. So there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus for them.

Possibilities of salvation in Christian religions are assumed to be de facto, concrete and known cases of people saved outside the Church.This is the reasoning which is the foundation of the New Ecumenism and New Ecclesiology created with a New Theology, which is irrational.
These new ecumenical groups, pro-EENS, pro-Syllabus of Errors and pro-Vatican Council II,  would include all Catholics, those  who attend Mass in different Rites and who even belong to the Lay Catholic Movements.
At ecumenical gatherings other Christians must know that 
Vatican Council II is not a rupture with an ecumenism of return.The Catholic Church is the ordinary means of salvation.Other Christians are invited to enter the Catholic Church as members to avoid Hell ( for salvation).Since without Catholic faith there is no salvation.

So when it is known that "There are no physically visible cases of the BOD,BOB and I.I in 2018" and " LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, NA 2, UR 3, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical cases ", Vatican Council II would not be a rupture with the past exclusivist ecclesiology, which was the traditional basis for an ecumenism of conversion into the Catholic Church.
These new Catholic ecumenical groups affirming the old ecumenism must also be there to witness to traditional Catholic teachings without rejecting Vatican Council II.
The new ecumenical groups would work to create local political parties and proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King, a priority, in political legislation.Since the old ecclesiology would be intact Vatican Council II would not contradict the teachings on the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation.All need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7, LG 14) and Vatican Council II 's Lumen Gentium  8, Lumen Gentium  16, Unitatis Redintigratio 3, Nostra Aetate 2, Gaudium et Spec  22 etc, do not contradict the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation(Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441).-Lionel Andrades



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The key element of ecumenism is the "Churches Together" approach to being united in faith. This is a commitment by each church and denomination to deepen fellowship with others without losing what makes each different. The aim is to work towards a greater visible unity. This works at a local, regional and national level.
At a local level it fosters co-operation between the churches both in terms of common worship and common action. The regional bodies exist primarily to facilitate this. Nationally, Churches Together seek to encourage the various denominations to work together on things which are of mutual concern.
Many Catholic parishes in England and Wales form part of a formal 'Local Ecumenical Partnership' - some even sharing church buildings with other denominations. In many places there are examples of co-operation, especially in respect of social issues. There are also many examples of common Christian witness, such as Good Friday processions and even joint missionary activity.

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A series of resources supporting unity among Christians. This page offers pdf downloads of all the sections of the Bishops' Conference leaflet Together in Christ and more.

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The Search for Christian Unity 157.13 kB
The Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms on Ecumenism. 2001


Contemporary Catholic Approaches to Ecumenism 157.33 kB
How the Catholic Church in England and Wales shapes its commitment to ecumenism, grounded in universal theological principles, and shaped in practice.

English ARC

Praying for Unity 257.06 kB
A Leaflet to celebrate the unity already shared in Christ, give thanks for it and deepen prayer for its continuation.

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Section seven of the leaflet Together in Christ

Local Ecumenical Partnerships (LEP)


APRIL 23, 2018

 A battle is raging about the life of terminally ill Alfie Evans
Catholic political party needed in England

APRIL 21, 2018

Fr.Chad Ripperger and FSSP priests still not permitted by the Vatican to affirm the traditional teaching on salvation : positivism towards magisterialism

APRIL 8, 2018

Fr.Paul McDonald is really saying he supports an exclusivist ecclesiology with no dual conclusions, heterodox passages, no passages against EENS

APRIL 7, 2018

Even Vatican II says every one on the face of the earth is called to become a member of the Mystical Body ( the Catholic Church)- Fr.Paul McDonald , Fatima Center

APRIL 5, 2018

Conferences must criticize the March 1 and 30th statements of Cardinals Ladaria and Nicols : affirm exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church, there are billions of non Catholics in Hell today.It is important to be a Catholic and to follow the teachings of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.


Showing images of injustice, to expose abortionists like Planned Parenthood and Leftist governments

Catholic political party needed in England

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 A battle is raging about the life of terminally ill Alfie Evans
Alfie Evans will be killed today in England since there is no Catholic political party independent of the Cardinal Archbishop of Westminster to affirm the Catholic Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation.They would have opposed Alfie's killing with political public protest, which would be Catholic.The political party would be faithful to the Gospel, as it was interpreted over the centuries, without rejecting Vatican Council II.
Alfie will be legally killed today it is reported.
So a political party is needed which would be Catholic in its ethos, open to all, democratic, with no discrimination on the basis of religion, race, class or ideology.It would have Jesus as he he is taught and understood  in the Catholic Church over the centuries, as the centre of all political legislation, since outside the Catholic Church there is no known salvation and no salvation.It would oppose laws which permit children like Alfie being killed.
Independent of the cardinals and bishops, now controlled by a Satanic secular government, a Catholic political party could have appealed to all Catholics to  affirm the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and do not vote for secular political parties.
The political party would interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church, as it was known to Westminster in the 16th century.It would be in harmony with an ecumenism of return according to the Syllabus of Errors and there would be no rupture between the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the past catechisms.There would be no schism with the past popes, as Cardinal Nicols and the other bishops are in today.
The cardinal at Westminster does not have the Faith.
For Cardinal Vince Nicols and the English bishops, their  reputation and life style is a priority.No Thomas More here.
He does not have the Faith and this was probably a factor in his appointment as the bishop of Birmingham and now at Westminster.
 Hundreds of protesters gathered outside Alder Hey hospital on April 12

Recently Cardinal Nicols told the BBC that Hell does not have fire and brimstone even though the Bible mentions Hell having fire and brimstone and most people going there. This was taught by the popes and saints.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.- Revelation 21:8

Then he says that the Catholic Church for him and his liberal friends, no more says that there is any particular person in Hell.Since he does not believe that all Protestants with no known exceptions today in Britain, who have died outside the Catholic Church, are in Hell.
Ad Gentes 7 in Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism, it is referring to faith and baptism in the Catholic Church. It is not referring to faith according to the Jehovah's Witnesses or some non Catholic community. So the reference is to Catholic faith.We know that all Protestants in Britain today are on the way to Hell unless they enter the Catholic Church with Catholic Faith.This includes the Sacraments, the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and the faith and moral teachings of the Church which were there over the centuries in Catholic England.
But the cardinal and the bishops in England do not believe in the Catholic Church's teachings on Vatican Council II,outside the Church there is no known salvation,an ecumenism of return, the Syllabus of Errors,teachings against usury,immodesty being a mortal sin...
He gives the Eucharist at Mass to Catholics living in mortal sin and permits the Traditional Latin Mass only when it is offered with all affirming the New Ecclesiology, which is a rupture with Tradition.This is possible since the official policy of the Catholic Church in Britain is to assume  unknown cases of the baptism of desire etc are personally known exceptions to the traditional understanding of outside the Church, as it was known to St. John Fischer in England.
So a political party of lay men and women is needed in Britain which would affirm Catholic traditional teachings independent of the Cardinal-Archbishop.They would be faithful to Jesus and the Church without rejecting Vatican Council II.Since Vatican Council II and all Church documents would be interpreted without the irrational premise.
They will affirm no salvation outside the Church according to St. Thomas More and St. John Fischer and will demand that Christ be King over all legislation in Britain.This would be supported by Christians in Britain.They would call for a separation of present Satanic secularism and state ,which will be responsible for the killing of Alfie Evans.It is responsible for the common blasphemy against Jesus and hate directed against the Catholic Church supported by the Jewish Left.Lionel Andrades

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