Monday, June 29, 2015

Fr. Pier Paolo Petrucci, SSPX District Superior,Italy keeps silent over this issue for over a year : no clarification

Since February 5, 2014 there is no clarification from Father Pier Paolo Petrucci, the District Superior of the SSPX in Albano, Italy.
I had written and posted the following to Fraternità Sacerdotale San Pio X, Albano last February 2014.
I wrote in a blog post sent to them:
  • In an article on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Vatican Council II and the loss of the missionary spirit in the Catholic Church (1) , the District Superior Fr.Pierpaolo Petrucci  assumes imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3) and good and holy things in other religions (NA 2) are explicit for us, known in reality, visible in the flesh,defacto and objective. So for him Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with UR 3, NA 2 etc.
  • Then he will not affirm the traditional position on extra ecclesiam nulla salus since he assumes that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are explicit for us, known in reality, visible in the flesh,defacto and objective. They would have to be all these qualities for them to be visible exceptions to the need for all to convert into the Church.1

Then another blog post which was e-mailed to them said :-
  • Father Pierpaolo Petrucci, the SSPX District Superior, Italy has made a doctrinal error in an article he has written in Italian. The same error is present in books being distributed by the SSPX, Italy.There is no denial or clarification from the Fraternità Sacerdotale San Pio X (FSSP), Albano.These blog posts have been sent to him.The FSSP Albano usually issues a clarification when they want to support their position or correct a view. 2
Another blog post e-mailed to them said:-
  •  If the SSPX Superior would  consider all salvation mentioned in Vatican Council II as implicit, de jure and known only to God, then Vatican Council II would not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the traditional  teaching on other religions and Christian communities 3                                             
There was no response to this blog post too.
  • In an article on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Vatican Council II and the loss of the missionary spirit in the Catholic Church (1) , he assumes imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3) and good and holy things in other religions (NA 2) are explicit for us, known in reality, visible in the flesh,defacto and objective. So for him Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with UR 3, NA 2 etc.
  • Then he will not affirm the traditional position on extra ecclesiam nulla salus since he assumes that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are  explicit for us, known in reality, visible in the flesh,defacto and objective. They would have to be all these qualities for them to be visible exceptions to the need for all to convert into the Church since outside the Church there is no salvation.4
At Albano they continued to assume Vatican Council II contradicted the traditional interpretation of the dogma even after I sent them the following blog post.
  • There is no text in Vatican Council II which contradicts Cantate Domino, unless like Fr. Pierpaolo Petrucci, one assumes those saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) etc are visible to us on earth.This is an irrationality in the interpretation of the Council and the fault is not with the Council.
  • To consider the dead now saved in Heaven to be visible to us on earth is a factual error. It is a fact that we cannot see the dead. It is this factual error which prevents the SSPX Superior from seeing Vatican Council II as a continuation with Tradition on the issue of ecumenism.5
Over a year has gone by and there has been no response in writing to these reports, from even the SSPX priest in Albano, Fr. Mauro Tranquillo, who participates in theological conferences and regularly criticizes Vatican Council II as a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.6
The SSPX,Italy  are rejecting Vatican  Council II. This is a doctrinal issue. They are unable to say ,that all these years, they had made a factual mistake and the fault was not with the Council but their use of an irrational premise which comes from Cardinal Marchetti Selvaggiani's Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
They are not admitting that they were wrong and neither are they saying that I am correct.They are just keeping silent over this issue.
-Lionel Andrades


1.FEBRUARY 5, 2014
If Fr.Leonard Feeney was correct or wrong, still imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3) and the baptism of desire are not explicit for us : no clarification still from SSPX Italy
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/02/if-frleonard-feeney-was-correct-or.html

2.FEBRUARY 4, 2014 No Clarification from SSPX District Superior, Italy
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/02/no-clarification-from-sspx-district.html


3. FEBRUARY 3, 2014 SSPX District Superior unknowingly supports Cardinal Kurt Koch
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/02/sspx-district-superior-unknowingly.html#links

4.FEBRUARY 2, 2014 SSPX District Superior Italy makes the same factual error as Muller, Ladaria, Di Noi, Pozzo, Kaspar and Koch    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/02/sspx-district-superior-italy-makes-same.html#links
5.FEBRUARY 3, 2014Factual error distorts SSPX District Superior Italy from seeing Vatican Council II as traditional on ecumenism   http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/02/factual-error-distorts-sspx-district.html#links
6.JANUARY 14, 2014
Father Mauro Tranquillo where is the exception in Lumen Gentium 8?  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/01/father-mauro-tranquillo-where-is.html#links

May God have mercy on our country


Posted by Tantumblogo 
Even though I am still in glorious deep rural Kansas I am aware that 9 unelected, unrepresentative, elitist oligarch lawyers in black robes just destroyed this nation as it has been known.
See previous post. It was spot on. We are beyond done. Major D’s are already speaking of eliminating tax exempt status for churches that do not comply.  That will only be the beginning.
May God have mercy on us all, especially “Catholic” Anthony Kennedy AND those prelates and priests who allow him to continue gravely wounding the Church and souls, heap sin upon sin, blasphemy the Our Lord in the Flesh, and basically wage a one man war against all that is good,  decent, and holy.
Pray, fast, and receive the Sacraments as much as you can, while you still can.  The future of this country unfolds before us like an endless night.

America Is Done June 24, 2015

Posted by Tantumblogo
So says Patrick Archbold, and I am danged if I can argue with him on this one.  The people of the United States (probably, who knows what voter fraud went on, especially in 2012) elected twice a man who openly hated this country and its former orientation and vowed to “fundamentally transform” it.  Mission accomplished.  We have seen the federal government grow more monstrous and invidious in almost every imaginable respect over the past 6+ years, and there is still a year and a half to grow.  Religion, especially Christianity, is in retreat under the combined assault of federal leviathan power and a hostile, hate-filled culture like never before.
I don’t know for certain what the future holds, but I don’t think it’s going to be pleasant:
……….[T]he decision on the manufacturing of a constitutional right to gay marriage looms large. More on that in a moment. But the passage in the Senate of TPA is just another indicator that signals the end of limited constitutional government and the separation of powers.
I won’t bore with the details of this decision, but what I want to impress upon you is that elections, the throwing out one party for another, made absolutely no difference. The federal behemoth grows unabated and our sovereignty is bartered for political support from the Chamber of Commerce. What is wrong with America is beyond the normal powers of elections and the electorate to fix.  [It’s not just TPA.  It’s Obamacare (which Repubniks plan to save if the Supreme Court throws out the exchanges), it’s illegal immigration, it’s Export-Import, it’s the growth of the federal budget, the Republicans haven’t followed through on a single campaign promise of any substance (20 week abortion ban still pending).  This is what we’ve seen from the Republican party going back since the late 90s, they are as on board with big government and radical social change as the democrats, they just lie to their base about it]
America, as we knew it and thought we understood it, is done. I know people don’t want to hear that and I understand. I know they don’t want to believe that and I understand. But it is true none the less. [I thank God I have a farm in Kansas.  How to get there, and how to live there, is another matter]
If you haven’t accepted that truth yet, perhaps the decision on gay marriage will clue you in. When they invent a constitutional right to gay marriage, your first amendment rights for the free exercise of religion and speech, will be under constant assault from the very government that should be protecting our first freedoms. We may win some of the battles, but I assure you the war is lost. You will not be able to practice your religion or speak the truth without oppression from the government over employment, student loans, business permits, and the list goes on and on. People will go to jail for believing and speaking the truth. [And parishes that refuse to get on board with the new order may well be closed.  And it may not be the government doing the closing]
But the truth is America has been done for a while. There is a financial reckoning coming like nothing you can imagine and likely much sooner than you can imagine. And when it comes, the government will come after everything you have.
Sorry to leave you on such a downer note.  But look on it this way, standing against persecution should gain  you a lot of time off in Purgatory!

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Why does the SSPX like me not accept Vatican Council II in agreement with the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?

Why does the SSPX like me not accept Vatican Council II in agreement with the rigorist intèrpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?
-Lionel Andrades



Baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are not exceptions to the dogma as Fr.Aldo Rossi says, so we can extend this thinking to Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/06/since-if-baptism-of-desire-and-being.html


The SSPX must keep rejecting Vatican Council II according to Cushingism
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/the-sspx-must-keep-rejecting-vatican.html




SSPX must continue to reject Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents interpreted with the false premise and conclusion : ChurchMilitant TV comment incomplete
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/sspx-must-continue-to-reject-vatican.html



Baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are not exceptions to the dogma as Fr.Aldo Rossi says, so we can extend this thinking to Vatican Council II

The SSPX Prior in Albano,Italy has said that we physically cannot see the dead on earth. This is something obvious. We cannot see people on earth who have been saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance.We cannot meet them or see them.

I have not met Fr.Aldo Rossi for a long time. There is no communication between them and me. 

The Superior General of the SSPX in Italy Fr.Pier Paolo Petrucci does not answer e-mails or questions and other priests and religious with the SSPX do not wish to talk about this subject.

They still continue to refer to Vatican Council II as a break with Traditiona and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). This seems their political position.

Since if baptism of desire (BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance (I.I ) are not exceptions to the dogma as Fr.Rossi says, then we can extend this thinking to Vatican Council II. There would not nothing in the Council to contradict the dogma, since we cannot see the dead saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16)etc.

The SSPX Superior would then have to admit that he made an innocent error at a talk he gave at Rimini, when he suggested that Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

There is confusion on this subject among the SSPX districts. It is confusion on doctrine. Since for the SSPX USA, BOD and I.I are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is their position in a book sold by Fr.Francois Laisney.

Fr.Laisney was not aware that the Holy Office 1949 made the same irrational mistake, they contradicted what Fr.Aldo Rossi, described as "obvious". The Letter 1949 assumes BOD and I.I refer to visible cases on earth. The dead are visible. So it is inferred that these 'deceased' are visible and known on earth to be exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma.This is the new theology. It is based on an irrationality. It is really fantasy theology.

At sometime in the future, truth and rationality must prevail and the SSPX would have to announce that Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma EENS or the Syllabus of Errors and we cannot see the dead-saved  on earth.
-Lionel Andrades

SSPX PRIOR AT ALBANO,ITALY SAYS WE DON'T KNOW ANYONE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE

 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/02/sspx-prior-at-albanoitaly-says-we-dont.html



Progressivists interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise of 'implicit desire being visible' or 'the dead are visible' and then assume that they accept Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/02/progressivists-interpret-vatican.html#links  



SSPX PRIEST CONTRADICTS REUTERS,WORLD JEWISH CONGRESS UNDERSTANDING OF VATICAN COUNCIL II AND OTHER RELIGIONS 


Another SSPX priest in Rome says implicit salvation is not visible to us and is known only to God. 



ARCHBISHOP,CATHOLIC PRIESTS AND LAY APOLOGIST SAY VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS : "We don't know any case of the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance.Only Jesus can judge"


Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martigioni

Medjugorje: No decision yet : 34th anniversary celebrated



http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/medjugorje-41993/


La Repubblica criticizes Medugorje 
http://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2015/06/26/news/medjugorje_i_dubbi_del_sant_uffizio_non_c_e_nulla_di_soprannaturale_-117732282/?refresh_ce


REGULAR ANNUAL APPARITION TO THE VISIONARY IVANKA


The visionary Ivanka Ivankovic-Elez had her regular annual apparition on June 25th 2015.
At her last daily apparition on May 7, 1985, Our Lady confided to Ivanka the 10th secret and told her that she would have an apparition once a year on the anniversary of the apparitions. It was that way also this year.
The apparition, which lasted 4 minutes, took place at Ivanka’s family home. Only Ivanka’s family was present at the apparition. After the apparition, Ivanka said: "Our Lady gave us her motherly blessing and said: Peace, peace, peace."

Objavljeno: 25.06.2015.http://www.medjugorje.hr/en/news/


Numerous pilgrims in Medjugorje for the 34th Anniversary

date: 25.06.2015.
34th Anniversary of Gospa’s apparitions was solemnly celebrated in Medjugorje on Thursday, June 25, 2015, and many pilgrims from all continents arrived to be here. Many of them arrived walking so they would fulfil their promises and vows given to the Queen of Peace, as well as to thank for all of the graces they had received. We met Anica Cuic, from Tomislavgrad, who walked from Tomislavgrad for 28 hours to Medjugorje. „It was heavy rain and we were all wet, but everything went really well. I had some needs and I decided to come to Medjugorje. This is where we have special feeling of peace“ - said Anica.  Mate Pocrnjić came from Split, but he walked to Medjugorje from Posušje: „This is my second time to come from Split to Posušje and then to Medjugorje. We also have Our Lady of Sinj and every pilgrimage leaves a beautiful trace within me. Medjugorje is really beautiful today, especially when so many young people are here who all came to give to Gospa her worries, problems and prayers.“ http://www.medjugorje.hr/en/news/numerous-pilgrims-in-medjugorje-for-the-34th-anniversary,6949.html

Walked from Bugojno to Medjugorje for the Anniversary of apparitions


Stipo Lubar, 59 years old man born in Bugojno in Bosnia and Herzegovina, but lives in Austria at the moment, walked with his wife and son from Bugojno for the Anniversary of Gospa’s apparitions. Their pilgrimage lasted for more than three days and they arrived on the Eve of Anniversary, on June 24, 2015. Stipo said that he has been coming to Medjugorje since 1982, nine times before the war and ten times after the war: “This is not the first time for me to come to Medjugorje like this and it was not hard at all. I am happy I can do this and next year it will be my twentieth time. We organise this pilgrimage every year.”

24th Peace Walk held

date: 24.06.2015.
The 24th Peace Walk was held on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 on the Feast of St. John the Baptist and on the eve of the 34thAnniversary of Gospa’s apparitions. Many pilgrims participated in this Walk that started at 6.20 a.m. in front of the monastery of St. Anthony in Humac and finished outside the church of St. James in Medjugorje. Fr. Velimir Mandić, guardian of Humac monastery, greeted pilgrims and blessed them before their walk and the walk finished at 10 a.m. with the Benediction conducted by Fr. Ivan Landeka Jr. Olha Slavska from Ukraine participated in this walk and said this is her 15th visit to Medjugorje: „I came here for the first time in 2006, and I recall it was a very difficult personal period for me. My family was about to break up and I did not know how to move on. My friend invited me to come for the seminar of Fr. Jozo Zovko. It was after that experience that my life completely changed. Gospa’s messages from Medjugorje became everyday practice; I began to pray the Rosary, to read the Holy Bible, to go to Holy Mass and to confess every month. I started to feel that Gospa was inviting me to come to Medjugorje every year. We came this year as we wanted to be the part of this Peace Walk. The situation in my country is not easy; there is a war in East Ukraine. We came here to pray with pilgrims from all over the world for peace in our hearts and then in the whole world.” Hubert Liebherr, a pilgrim from Germany, initiated this Peace Walk in 1992. He was horrified with all of the bad things that were happening here in the beginning of the war and together with his friends he initiated this event, believing in the words  of Gospa that with the prayer of Rosary even the wars could be stopped. (video); (photos)

Sunday, June 28, 2015

Sedevacantists are teaching irrationality

Collegamento permanente dell'immagine integrata
http://tridentinemasssociety.co.uk/contact-us/
All of them in this photo have been taught or are teaching others that there are exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Where are these exceptions?
Bishop Sanborn does not know of any. He cannot name any.
Fr. Anthony Cekada does not know of any exception personally this year.
Yet every one in the photo above  will have to say that there are exceptions to the dogma.Why?
Fr.Cekada has to say that there are exceptions since Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre accepted  it.He had his religious formation in the SSPX.
For the other traditionalists  there are exceptions since Pope Pius XII was a holy and good pope and he could not be wrong.He is an acceptable pope for the traditionalists.
But Pope Pius XII did not personally know of any exceptions either.Human beings cannot know of any exception to the dogma.If there is an exception it would be known only to God.
Baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance cases - are in Heaven. How can we know of these cases today, how can we see them, or meet them.?If they are invisible for us how can they be exceptions? Yet they were exceptions for the popes including Pius XII.
For Pope Pius XII, Cardinal Ottaviani and Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani these cases were exceptions and so they criticized Fr.Leonard Feeney. Even the SSPX praises the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, which said there are exceptions, and which criticized Fr.Leonard Feeney.The SSPX and FSSP say St.Emerentiana who allegedly died without the baptism of water centuries back is an exception to the dogma today. This is their reasoning. This is philosophy for them.Some one who died centuries back can be an exception to the dogma today.
None of them know of any exceptions. Yet they assume that hypothetical cases, possibilities are defacto exceptions to all needing to convert into the Church.Pope Pius XII accepted this and did not defend Fr.Leonard Feeney.
Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Jesuits placed this error in Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7).
Now the sedevacantists in the picture are still saying there are exceptions, even after they have been informed. The same with the SSPX and the MICM. For all of them LG 16 is an exception to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Since there is an exception, Vatican Council II becomes a break with Tradition and the dogma.  The result is that Bishop Sanborn and Fr.Cekada offer the Traditional Latin Mass as sedevacantists, the MICM remain within the Church ( rejecting Vatican Council among themself  and accepting  it before the Vatican and their bishop) and offer the Traditional Latin Mass , the SSPX rejects Vatican Council II and also offers the Traditional Latin Mass.The Vatican Curia also says there are exceptions but accepts Vatican Council II with these exceptions and does not consider it heresy or irrationality..
I accept Vatican Council II in which there are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.I accept the dogma  as it was taught over the centuries before 1949 and was common place among those who offered/attended the Traditional Latin Mass.
Collegamento permanente dell'immagine integrata

COUNCIL OF TRENT
A sedevacantist says that the  Council of Trent mentions 'the desire thereof'.Yes but it does not state that these cases can be known to us in the present times. If they cannot be known in personal cases then how can there be exceptions? The Council of Trent also does not say that these cases are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is assumed by the sedevacantists in the picture.
Collegamento permanente dell'immagine integrata
It is said 'all pre-Vatican II theologians taught BOD and BOB' .They made an error when they linked it to EENS or assumed that these cases were personally known to be exceptions.
It is said 'all pre-Vatican II catechisms taught BOD and BOB'. None of them mentioned that these cases were explicitly known in the present times. It is the sedevacantists who made the inference like Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. It is Marchetti who originally made the wrong inference.
It is said Pope Benedict XV expressly teaches BOD and BOB in promulgating the Code of Canon Law (1917).Again the pope does not state that these cases are exceptions. If he did make this claim then he would be making an objective mistake, a factual mistake. We cannot see the dead-saved on earth saved without the baptism of water in the Church. So we cannot know of any exceptions. This is a fact of life.
So if a pope or cardinal claims that BOD and BOB are exceptions to the dogma then he has  made a factual mistake. It is not a mistake of theology it is a common sense mistake. It is a contradiction of common knowledge.-Lionel Andrades

Feast of St. Peter and St. Paul public holiday in Rome tomorrow

The Feast of St. Peter and St. Paul (Rome) in Italy





http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/italy/feast-of-st-
peter-and-st-paul
http://www.nola.com/travel/index.ssf/2013/06/romans_celebrate_the_feast_of.html