Friday, November 18, 2022

So even though Yves Congar, Karl Rahner and the liberals were present at Vatican Council II the Council is orthodox when interpreted with the Rational Premise and Inference.The Conclusion is Traditional

 Notwithstanding what you read in the following article 1 from the web-blog Rorate Caeili(and in other reports), Vatican Council II is always dogmatic, traditional and ecclesiocentric.It must only be interpreted rationally. This is the ethical thing to do.

So even though Yves Congar, Karl Rahner and the liberals were present at Vatican Council II the Council is orthodox when  interpreted with the Rational Premise and  Inference.The Conclusion is Traditional

- Lionel Andrades



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‘The Council and the Eclipse of God’ by Don Pietro Leone: CHAPTER 10 (part 5 c): The Principal Agents of the Council (continued): 2.The Bishops 3. The Freemasons 4. The Protestants 5. The Periti 6. The Press

https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2022/11/the-council-and-eclipse-of-god-by-don_16.html#more

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NOVEMBER 14, 2022

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, must ask the Jesuits to stop writing new books on Vatican Council II until the issue of the Irrational and Rational Premise and Inference is settled.

 

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, must ask the Jesuits to stop writing any new books on Vatican Council II until the issue of the Irrational and Rational Premise and Inference is settled. They are still publishing books on Vatican Council II written with the common False Premise which produces a  break with Tradition especially the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.I interpret extra ecclesiam nulla salus as having no physically visible exceptions in 2022. Also I interpret Vatican Council II as not mentioning any practical exceptions for extra ecclesiam nulla salus. In reality we humans cannot see people saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance.They are always hypothetical and invisible cases. Invisible people cannot be visible and objective examples of salvation outside the Church.- Lionel Andrades
Lionel Andrades Catholic lay man in Rome. Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake ? So it is human error and not the Magisterium.  Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral. It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option. Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, nontraditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional? It is unethical when the popes, cardinals and bishops choose the Irrational Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents. Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission) E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com Twitter : @LionelAndrades1 ___________________




 NOVEMBER 13, 2022

This is Rorate Caeili's political position on Vatican Council II like that of the Left and the two popes.This is modernism. For me there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II for the dogma EENS

 It is not the work of the devil when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally and the Council is in harmony with Tradition.

The Council is traditional and dogmatic. It supports the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.



This is there before our very eyes. All we have to do is 1) interpret the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as having no physically visible exceptions and then 2) interpret Vatican Council II as containing no physically visible exceptions for extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

So Don Leone and Rorate Caeili were wrong when some time back they projected UR 3 in Vatican Council II, as being an exception for Feeneyite EENS.Invisible people cannot be  visible exceptions.A practical exception for EENS has to exist in our reality.

But It is not the work of the devil when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally and the Council is in harmony with Tradition.

The Council is traditional and dogmatic. It supports the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

This is there before our very eyes. All we have to do is 1) interpret the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as having no physically visible exceptions and then 2) interpret Vatican Council II as containing no physically visible exceptions for extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

So Don Leone and Rorate Caeili were wrong when some time back they projected UR 3 in Vatican Council II, as being an exception for Feeneyite EENS.Invisible people cannot be  visible exceptions.A practical exception for EENS has to exist in our reality.

But this is Rorate Caeili's political  position on Vatican Council II like that of the Left and the two popes.This is modernism. For me there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II for the dogma EENS.-Lionel Andrades 

The Council and the Eclipse of God by Don Pietro Leone- CHAPTER 10 - part 5: ‘The Principal Agents of the Council ’: 1. THE DEVIL

https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2022/11/the-council-and-eclipse-of-god-by-don.html#more


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There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II and the popes, cardinals and bishops choose the irratonal one

 There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II and the popes, cardinals and bishops choose the irrational one.

There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II and the national Catechechtical Centers and Bishops Conferences choose the irrational option.

There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II and the popes from Paul VI to Francis have not chosen the rational interpretation.The rational option supports the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). So Vatican Council II is dogmatic. It is in harmony with the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.

There are two interpretations of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance and the popes from Pius XII have not chosen the rational one.

There are two interpretations of the Nicene, Apostles and Athanasius Creed and the popes from Pius XII and the traditionalists, have chosen the irrational one. Since they interpret the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance irrationally.

So the catechesis for adults and children, the teaching at First Communion and Confirmation, must return to only the rational interpretation, with the rational premise, inference and traditional conclusion.- Lionel Andrades



AUGUST 8, 2021

The Jesuit magazine America in this video hides information on Vatican Council II. There are two interpretations of the Council. This is not mentioned.The irrational version has to be accepted by all priests in all Rites including Novus Ordo to receive permission to offer Holy Mass.

The Jesuit magazine America  in this video is hiding information on Vatican Council II. There are two interpretations of the Council. This is not mentioned.The irrational version has to be accepted by all priests in all Rites including Novus Ordo to receive permission to offer Holy Mass.-Lionel Andrades



AUGUST 1, 2013

THERE ARE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF VATICAN COUNCIL II IN FORCE BUT THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE RATIONAL ONE

 
There is a comment on this blog.It is regarding the post  in which I said there are two interpretations of Vatican Council II.
 
It says:
Well, this is your interpretation, and you are entitled to it.
-J Daniels
August 1, 2013 at 5:10 PM
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Lionel:
No it is not a personal interpretation.

I am pointing out that one can choose to interpret Vatican Council II by using a particular premise or without that premise. In this way there are always two interpretations.
It has nothing to do with me or my views.

It is the same text for all but it can be interpreted with the Richard Cushing Error or without it.

Assume  the dead now saved in Heaven are visible to us on earth and so are an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or assume  that they are not visible to us and so are not exceptions. This is independent of me.

So assume LG 16 refers to being saved in invincible ignorance which is visible or it refers to cases not visible to us and so which are not an exception to the dogmatic teaching which says all need to convert into the Church.So there can be two interpretations but only one rational one.

There are presently two interpretations since most Catholics,including the Vatican Curia are using the irrational one, they can allegedly see the dead.
-Lionel Andrades
  
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There can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II Lumen Fidei has chosen the irrational one.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/07/there-can-be-two-interpretations-of.html#links

Archbishop Gerhard Muller says that the SSPX needs to distinguish the true teaching of the Second Vatican Council: but he will not correct Reuters.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/archbishop-gerhard-muller-says-that.html#links
   

MEDUGORJE BANS BOOK IN WHICH JESUS SAYS CHURCH IS NEGLECTING MISSION AND PROCLAIMING THE GOSPEL TO PROTECT ITS PROPERTY AND INTERESTS

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/10/medugorje-bans-book-in-which-jesus-says.html#links
 

IS THE HOLY SPIRIT SAYING LIKE ARCHBISHOP AUGUSTINE DI NOIA THAT LG 8, LG 16 ARE EXPLICITLY KNOWN AND ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/is-holy-spirit-saying-like-archbishop.html#links

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/archbishop-marcel-lefebvre-was-in.html#links

 

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