So the Bible is Feeneyite. It has to be Feeneyite, since we humans cannot know of any exceptions for EENS.The Bible is clear. Outside Jesus in the Catholic Church there is no salvation and that Hell exists and it has fire.

 

Catholics have always known that the Bible says   there is Hell with fire and that outside Jesus in the Catholic Church, His Mystical Body, there is no salvation. But the confusion in the Church was caused by progressivist theologians who confused invisible cases of the baptism of desire etc as being visible exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) of the Fourth Lateran Council(1215) etc.

Feeneyism really is holding to the concept of EENS according to the Fourth Lateran Council and interpreting the baptism of desire (BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance (I.I) as referring to only hypothetical cases. They are theoretical cases. They are accepted as probabilities known to God. They are not objective, known non Catholics saved outside the Church. They exist only in our mind. This is something obvious and was known throughout the centuries.

So the baptism of desire, baptism of blood  and being saved invincible ignorance do not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS. This is the EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas.

They do not contradict the Biblical account of EENS of St. Augustine.

So the Bible is Feeneyite. It has to be Feeneyite, since we humans cannot know of any exceptions for EENS. If someone was saved outside the Church, in another religion, as a possibility, it could only be known to God. The norm for salvation is faith and baptism (AG 7, LG 14).

Yet if you read Wikipedia, the political Left, makes it appear as if Vatican Council II contradicts the Bible on EENS.

SSPX PRIESTS ACCEPT BIBLICAL EENS

At the SSPX Mass the priests accept the Biblical teaching on EENS and they reject Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally. So the Gospel is still authentic. We have good shepherds at the SSPX. The good pastor speaks the truth even when the times are difficult.

At the Novus Ordo Mass in Italian or English, for example, it is different. Since the church buildings in Italy are owned by the leftist government.The Rome Vicariate and the Vatican, follow the Jewish Left rabbis. The Vatican is Talmudic.It is pro-Left.

PIUS XII TO FRANCIS SUPPORT THE LEFT

The popes from Pius XII to Francis have interpreted BOD, BOB and I.I irrationally and so there is a rupture with the EENS of the Bible.

The popes from Paul VI to Francis have interpreted LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, irrationally, and so there is rupture with the EENS of the Bible.

THE NEW MISSAL IS BASED UPON VATICAN COUNCIL II IRRATIONAL.

So the Good Shepherd is not necessarily the priest at the Novus Ordo Mass, since his homilies/ sermons, cannot be authentic for political reasons. They are based upon Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally to produce a fake rupture with Catholic Tradition; with Catholic faith and morals.

The Bible is clear. Outside Jesus in the Catholic Church there is no salvation and that Hell exists and it has fire. - Lionel Andrades

SEPTEMBER 19, 2018

Catholics can interpret Vatican Council II with BOD, BOB and I.I Cushingite or Feeneyite

What are we defending Vatican Council II any more for ?

Since there are two interpretations of Vatican Council II. 1.One of the Lefebvrist traditionalists, the liberals and Masons and the other 2. mine.

There is Vatican Council II 1.Cushingite and Vatican Council II 2.Feeneyite.

The liberals and traditionalists only know of Vatican Council II Cushingite. It is a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the old ecumenism, the past ecclesiology and the Syllabus of Errors. It is heretical. It supports apostasy in the Church and it is the only Vatican Council II understood by the popes, cardinals and bishops.

Vatican Council II(Feeneyite) is in harmony with the past ecclesiology, the ecumenism of return, Syllabus of Errors and the old Catechisms.

There are also two interpretations of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I). There can be BOD, BOB and I.I, Cushingite or Feeneyite.

So one can interpret Vatican Council II with BOD, BOB and I.I Cushingite or BOD,BOB and I.I, Feeneyite.

It is the same with the Catechisms. We can interpet the Catechism of Pope Pius X and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994) with BOD,BOB and I.I, Cushingite or Feeneyite.The conclusion changes. The conclusion is different.
-Lionel Andrades

 JULY 29, 2019

Bible supports the strict interpretation of the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation

The Holy Bible supports the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).This was known through the centuries.

John 3:5 says all need the baptism of water for salvation.The baptism of water was given in the community, the Church, the Early Church, the Early Catholic Church.

Mark 16:16 says he who does not believe will be condemned. For salvation God the Father made it necessary that all believe in His Son, in the only Church he founded, the Catholic Church.

Jesus says enter through the narrow gate for the road to Hell is wide and most people take.(Matthew 7:13)The narrow gate is the Catholic Church, which the Bible tells us is the Mystical Body of Jesus.The Catholic Church is the Mystical Body of Christ.( Colossians 1:18)

Jesus says those who deny Him, he too will deny,before God the Father.' Every one therefore that shall confess me before men, I will also confess him before my Father who is in heaven.  But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven.'-Matthew 10: 32-33 (Douay-Rheims Bible)

Jesus had said 'I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father, but by me'-John 14:6 

In Heaven there are only Catholics and they are there with Catholic faith and the baptism of water.

If there are people in Heaven from other religions, they are Catholic in Heaven.They were not members of another religion when they died.

Jews and Muslims in general do not believe in Jesus as the Son of God and the Saviour.Even Buddhists, Hindus and atheists are outside the Mystical Body of Jesus.Christians, in other religions , though baptized, do not have Catholic faith  and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church(Ad Gentes 7), which are needed for salvation.They do not follow the faith and moral teachings of the Catholic Church, which are needed to avoid Hell.

They also do not have the help of the Sacraments of the Church, since they do not have faith.They too in general are oriented to Hell. The exceptions, if they exist, would only be known to God.

So outside the Church there is no salvation is a dogma of the Church defined by three Church Councils and supported by the traditional interpretation of the Bible, since the time of the Church Fathers.

Vatican Council II supports the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation when it says all need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7).If any one is saved as referenced in LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, it would only be known to God.

The norm for salvation is believing in Jesus in the Catholic Church.

Those who die outside the Church will not be saved since the norm for salvation, which God the Father chose, is 'faith and baptism' and the absence of mortal sin at the time of death.The norm for salvation are not the alleged exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

People outside the Catholic Church in general will not be saved, since the norm for salvation is not invincible ignorance etc.

The Bible is Catholic. It's manuscripts were compiled and put together by the Catholic Church inspired by the Holy Spirit. This is the Bible used by the other Christian communities who also believe it is inspired by the Holy Spirit.The Holy Spirit has guided the Catholic Church to say outside the Church there is no salvation.This is the message of the Bible which is inerrant.-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/07/bible-supports-strict-interpretation-of.html

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JULY 29, 2019

Dietrich and Alice von Hildebrand, Paolo Pascualucci, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Roberto dei Mattei, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, Christopher Ferrara, Mons. Ignacio Barreiro and others were all interpreting Vatican Council II with Cushingism.So this line of traditionalist writers had it wrong on the Council.Their premise was wrong and so their conclusion was wrong

Dietrich and Alice von Hildebrand, Paolo Pascualucci, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Roberto dei Mattei,Walter Matt, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, Christopher Ferrara, Mons. Ignacio Barreiro and others were all interpreting Vatican Council II with Cushingism.So this line of traditionalist writers had it wrong on the Council.Their premise was wrong and so their conclusion was wrong.

Michael Davies, Atila Sinke Guimares, John Vennari interpreted Vatican Council II with a false premise. So there was an artificial  rupture with extra ecclesiam nulla salus(Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.

The SSPX bishops too made their original mistake on the Fr. Leonard Feeney case and then superficially read Vatican Council II.Their apostolate is based on Cushingism.

 They accepted the irrationality in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO) and then applied it to Vatican Council II.They did not like the conclusion which obviously was heretical.So they rejected the Council. They were not aware of the false premise, which is the basis of Cushingism.Neither could they distinguish between Vatican Council with and without the premise, Vatican Council II Cushingite or Feeneyite.

Instead they carried on writing books  criticizing Vatican Council, interpreted with the false premise and inference.
The popes from Paul VI to Francis and the present ecclesiastics at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith made the same mistake. They used the same false premise to interpret the Council. 
For them the red is an exception to the blue.1
I do not make the same mistake since I am aware of the distinction between Cushingism and Feeneyism.The Council is traditional for me.-Lionel Andrades
 


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• Red is an exception to the blue-Bologna School/ Fr.John Zuhlsdorf(1)
• Red is not an exception to the blue - Proclamation (2)
• Red is not an exception to the blue - profances Holy Mass (1)
• Red is not an exception to the blue :CCC 846-848 (4)
• Red not an exception to blue mapping(1)

 

 JULY 28, 2019

JULY 27, 2019

Taylor Marshall interprets St.Thomas Aquinas with Cushingism and not Feeneyism and so there is a rupture with Tradition for him

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/07/taylor-marshall-interprets-stthomas.html

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/07/dietrich-and-alice-von-hildebrand-paolo.html

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JULY 28, 2019

Roberto dei Mattei will not announce that he made a mistake on Vatican Council II all these years

Roberto de Mattei will still not tell Diane Montagne of LifeSitesNews that there are no personally known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance outside the Catholic Church and so he affirms extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) according to the 16th century Magisterium and misionaries. The baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) are not literal exceptions in 2019 to the strict interpretation of EENS. 

Nor does he announce that he and Christopher Ferrara,Fr. Nicholas Gruner and John Vennari and others  made a mistake when they interpreted EENS and Vatican Council II with hypothetical cases being non hypothetical. They were wrongly assumed to be personally known non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church.So now there are exceptions to EENS. Invisible people are exceptions.

He does not announce that he and Christopher Ferrara wrote books on Vatican Council II with this objective mistake. They interpreted the Council with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism; with the irrational premise instead of without it.

Rorate Caeili does not announce that Mattei and Ferrara's concept of Vatican Council II was based on a mistake. So it is false. It was the interpretation of Pope Paul VI .

The same mistake was made by Michael Davies, Atila Sinke Guimares and in recent times by Paolo Pascualucci.

The traditionalists today attend the Latin Mass and proclaim the New Ecclesiology and New Theology in public.It is the same as at Mass in the vernacular. It is a rupture with the Tridentine Mass of the 16th century.In the 16th century, BOD, BOB and I.I referred to hypothetical cases and not explicit exceptions to traditional EENS. At the Latin Mass today BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to EENS. So they refer to known non Catholics saved outside the Church. Otherwise how could they be exceptions? This was the reasoning of the liberal theologians and the traditionalists over the last 50 years.
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JULY 17, 2019

Mattei and Ferrara read Vatican Council II superficially and wrote books misleading Catholics ( Graphics) 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/07/mattei-and-ferrara-read-vatican-council.html

 

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Professor de Mattei, who directs the magazine Radici Cristiane and the Corrispondenza Romana News Agency, has published countless articles and nearly 20 books. His latest has been recently translated into English – The Second Vatican Council – an Unwritten Story. 

Vatican II was a “historical turning point,” he told me. Some Council Fathers saw a more optimistic period in bloom. Others, more conservative, did not.  1

-Lionel Andrades

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https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/professor-roberto-de-mattei-explains-the-crisis-in-the-church-part-1-of-2

 

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/04/frchad-ripperger-and-fssp-priests-still.html

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Vatican Council II(Feeneyite)(8)

Vatican Council II(premise free)(2)

Vatican Council II(premise-free)(6)

 Vatican Council II and EENS(2)

Vatican Council II but interpreted with two different theologies(2)

Vatican Council II Cushigite(1)

Vatican Council II Cushingite(1)

Vatican Council II Development(1)

Vatican Council II Feeneyite(4)

Vatican.Extra ecclesiam nulla salus(premise free)(1)

Vatican Council II is Feeneyite(11)

Vatican Council II in harmony with EENS( Feeneyite)(1)

 Nicene Creed(10)

Nicene Creed was changed with the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 mistake(5)

Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Cushingite)(2)

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Feeneyite Theology(1)

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Cushingism(104)

Cushingism and the Catholic popes(7)

Cushingism in Vatican Council II(17)

Cushingismo(5)

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Cushingite Bishops(1)

Cushingite Theology(6)

Cushingites(1)

Cushngism(2)

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JANUARY 27, 2018

What is Feeneyism? (Graphics)

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/what-is-feeneyism.html

JANUARY 27, 2018

What is Cushingism ?(Graphics)

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/what-is-cushingism-graphics.html

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JUNE 20, 2016

Prof.Phillip Blosser, a Professor of Philosophy at Musings of a Pertinacious Papist and Tancred at The Eponymous Flower agree with me : hypothetical cases (baptism of desire etc) cannot be explicit for us in 2016

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/profphillip-blosser-professor-of.html

MONDAY, OCTOBER 10, 2016

I even interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1995) as being Feeneyite. I use the same reasoning : hypothetical cases are not explicit in the present times.  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/i-even-interpret-catechism-of-catholic.html

Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-thomas-egullickson-says.html#links

DEAN OF THEOLOGY AT ST. ANSELM SAYS THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/10/dean-of-theology-at-st-anselm-says.html#links

CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/cantate-domino-council-of-florence-on.html

BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/brazilian-priest-says-vatican-council.html#links

I follow the Catechism of Trent in agreement with Vatican Council II and the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/08/i-follow-catechism-of-trent-in.html

CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF  

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/08/catholic-priests-in-rome-agree-with.html#links

JUNE 20, 2011

THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF- Fr.George Puthoor

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/06/there-is-no-baptism-of-desire-that-we.html

WE DO NOT KNOW ANYONE SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE OR INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE SO EVERYONE NEEDS TO ENTER THE CHURCH AS DON BOSCO TAUGHT- Salesian Rector and Parish priest in Rome

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/we-do-not-know-anyone-saved-with.html

 JULY 25, 2018

Repost : When I meet Catholics I say Vatican Council II says outside the Church there is no salvation and all need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/repost-when-i-meet-catholics-i-say.html

JULY 28, 2018

Dogmas do not change : Vatican Council II is in harmony with the strict interpretation of EENS. There is no past and new ecclesiology for me.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/dogmas-do-not-change-vatican-council-ii.html

 JULY 18, 2018

Whatever is your opinion of Fr. Leonard Feeney, LOHO, Pope Pius XII etc if LG 16 is invisible or visible determines the interpretation of Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/whatever-is-your-opinion-of-fr-leonard.html

JULY 18, 2018

Whether you believe in the Bologna School or what ever how you look at LG 16 determines how you interpret Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/whether-you-believe-in-bologna-school.html

JULY 11, 2018

This is Vatican Council II(Feeneyite) which would be 'extremist' for Angela Merkel's Germany.So the German Catholic bishops are denying it,and are giving the Eucharist at Holy Mass to Protestants, since the Catholic bishops have rejected Vatican Council II (Feeneyite) and interpret the Council with Cushingism.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/this-is-vatican-council-iifeeneyite.html

JULY 11, 2018

Catholics in Russia need to go on mission and evangelise there based on Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/catholics-in-russia-need-to-conduct.html

 JULY 6, 2018

What happens when Cardinal Marx knows...will he accept this reality, or will he go into schism?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/07/what-happens-when-cardinal-marx.html

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APRIL 25, 2018

Christopher Ferrara and Roberto dei Mattei have nothing to say for or against the charge : they made a mistake on Vatican Council II and did not know that the Council supported the past exclusivist ecclesiology and the Syllabus of Errors

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/christopher-ferrara-and-roberto-dei.html

APRIL 12, 2018

Like the liberals Roberto dei Mattei uses an irrational premise to interpret the baptism of desire etc. So there is a new version of EENS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/like-tbe-liberals-roberto-dei-mattei.html
APRIL 12, 2018
Roberto dei Mattei is politically correct like the two popes and in heresy http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/roberto-dei-mattei-is-politically.html
 APRIL 11, 2018
Roberto dei Mattei still cannot state that Lumen Gentium does not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).Neither will he affirm the dogma EENS according to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century   http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/roberto-dei-mattei-still-cannot-state.html
MARCH 15, 2018
I am waiting for Cardinal Burke, Bishop Schneider, Robero dei Mattei and Chris Ferrara to affirm Vatican Council II and the strict interpretation of EENS  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/i-am-waiting-for-cardinal-burke-bishop.html
DECEMBER 27, 2017

Brunero Gherardino had it wrong and Roberto dei Mattei based his writings upon the Monsignor's irrational theology  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/brunero-gherardino-had-it-wrong-and.html

APRIL 24, 2018

Vatican Council II is not how Christopher Ferrara and Roberto dei Mattei interpret it (Graphics)  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/vatican-council-ii-is-not-how_24.html
APRIL 25, 2018

If you interpret Lumen Gentium 8 ( elements of sanctification and truth in other religions) as referring to known or unknown people in the present times you have two interpretations of Vatican Council II : If you interpret the baptism of desire as referring to invisible or visible people saved outside the Church in the present times you have two interpretations of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/if-you-interpret-lumen-gentium-8.html

 DECEMBER 15, 2017

The traditionalists in general have made an error.They have made a major error in theology and doctrine

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-traditionalists-in-general-have.html 
You can interpret Vatican Council II without the new theology. Try it and see http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/03/you-can-interpret-vatican-council-ii.html 
NOVEMBER 8, 2017
Books of Archbishop Lefebvre are obsolete now : so are the writings on Vatican Council II by Chris Ferrara and Roberto dei Mattei  https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/11/books-of-archbishop-lefebvre-are.html 
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