Wednesday, December 19, 2012

French leftist govenment begins probe against SSPX associate group

Government announces probe into SSPX associate group

http://clericalwhispers.blogspot.it/2012/12/government-announces-probe-into-sspx.html


SSPX WILL AGAIN LET ARCHBISHOP GERHARD MULLER GO UNANSWERED ?

Once again in the interview with The Catholic Herald U.K and on the blog The Path Less Taken Archbishop Gerhard Muller  is drawing on theology and doctrine to criticize the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) and the SSPX is not saying that Vatican Council and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are traditional if you do not use the premise of the dead who are saved being  visible to us.
Archbishop Mueller

Both Archbishop Gerhard Muller and the SSPX use this false premise and so we have a modernist innterpretation of the Council, approved by the left.

If there are any SSPX priests who understand what I am saying here, probably they have to be quiet out of obedience and let the propaganda continue against the SSPX on the issue of doctrine when the Council really supports the SSPX.
-Lionel Andrades

SSPX LETS ARCHBISHOP GERHARD MULLER GO UNANSWERED
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/sspx-lets-archbishop-gerhard-muller-go.html#links

Many in the SSPX have learned theological errors, and they must learn the true sense of the tradition of the Catholic Church - Archbishop Gerhard Muller tells Irish journalist

Many in the SSPX have learned theological errors, and they must learn the true sense of the tradition of the Catholic Church.


One of Archbishop Müller’s trickier tasks is overseeing the reconciliation process with the Society of St Pius X. When I probed to get an idea of the current situation between Rome


and the SSPX, Archbishop Müller answered pithily: “There remain misunderstandings about Vatican II, and these must be agreed upon. The SSPX must accept the fullness of the Catholic faith, and its practice.


“Disunity always damages the proclamation of the Gospel by darkening the testimony of Jesus Christ.


“The SSPX need to distinguish between the true teaching of the Second Vatican Council and specific abuses that occurred after the Council, but which are not founded in the Council’s documents.”


Archbishop Müller stressed that he is in no way “against” traditionalist Catholics and does not have a personal dislike of the SSPX. “But we need to address the practical issues that cannot be ignored. Many in the SSPX have learned theological errors, and they must learn the true sense of the tradition of the Catholic Church. It’s not about conserving a certain time stage in history, it’s a living tradition.”
http://thepathlesstaken7.blogspot.it/

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FROM ROBERTO DE MATTEI TO THE THEOLOGY DEPTT. OF THE UNIVERSITY PONTIFICIAL REGINA APOSTOLORUM ROME - A FALSE PREMISE IS USED IN THE INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/from-roberto-de-mattei-to-theology.html#links

YEAR OF THE FAITH : VATICAN COUNCIL II AND THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AFFIRMS THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/year-of-faith-vatican-council-ii-and.html#links

SSPX LETS ARCHBISHOP GERHARD MULLER GO UNANSWERED
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/sspx-lets-archbishop-gerhard-muller-go.html#links

Archbshop Thomas E.Gullickson has said that the Society of St.Pius X must know that adherence to Vatican Council II and the Catechism does not put them at odds with Tradition.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-thomas-egullickson-has-said.html#links

Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-thomas-egullickson-says.html

ARCHBISHOP,CATHOLIC PRIESTS AND LAY APOLOGIST SAY VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS : "We don't know any case of the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance.Only Jesus can judge"
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishopcatholic-priests-and-lay.html#links

SEDEVANCANTISTS,COUNCIL OF CHRISTIAN UNITY AND THE CONGREGATION FOR THE CLERGY ARE IN THE SAME BOAT:THE DEAD ARE VISIBLE FOR THEM SO VATICAN COUNCIL II IS A RUPTURE WITH THE PAST
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/sedevancantistscouncil-of-christian.html#links

REUTERS MAKES AN OBJECTIVE MISTAKE ON CATHOLIC DOCTRINE AND ECCLESIA DEI/ CDF DO NOT CLARIFY
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/reuters-makes-objective-mistake-on.html#links

The SSPX is not expected to affirm what is implied and assumed and is not a known fact in 2012.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/the-sspx-is-not-expected-to-affirm-what.html#links

LEGIONARIES OF CHRIST ARE NOT TO ANSWER IF THE DEAD ARE VISIBLE TO THEM OR CAN THERE CAN BE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH


Today morning I sent the following post to the Legionaries of Christ Communications Director.

LEGIONARIES OF CHRIST THE ISSUE IS HUMAN REASON AND NOT THEOLOGY


I have received this reply.
Lionel…I am a Catholic layman and member of Regnum Christi. I don’t believe there is more for me to say on this topic….Jim  
      
There is no answer to the two questions. He will not even answer if the dead who are saved are visible to him on earth.

He  will not even acknowledge if there can be two interpretations of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.


He will welcome vocations to the religious life but none of them must ask these questions.

Since there are no answers from the Legionaries of Christ.-Lionel Andrades


http://www.legionariesofchrist.org/eng/contactanos/index.phtml?se=253

The Eucharist










Catholics have the tabernacle and the Ark of the Covenant in the Holy Eucharist, they have the Jewish Messiah foretold by the Jewish prophets Isaiah and John the Baptist.They have the Supreme Sacrifice of the Holy Mass, they are the new people of God (Vatican Council II,NA 4), the Chosen People. They believe in Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, one with Jesus, one with the Holy Trinity, one Godhead, the Creator of all, present in a personal way in the  Eucharist.
-Lionel Andrades

PROTESTANTISM IS A HERESY- Michael Voris

The Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II indicate that Protestants need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation. This is said in Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II and CCC 846,845.

Catechism of the Catholic Church:
CCC 846 states, 'He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. '
Lionel: Protestants do not have Catholic Faith. They are permitted to divorce etc and do not consider this a mortal sin.


CCC 845 states that the Church 'alone saves from the flood' and is 'prefigured by Noah's Ark'. God the Father wants every one to enter the Catholic Church, extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.
Lionel: God wants all people to be united in the Catholic Church for salvation.

The Catechism is in accord with the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.   Similarly Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation. Protestants have the baptism of water but not Catholic Faith. They do not have access to the Sacrament of Reconciliation and commit mortal sins and yet believe they are saved.

We do not know any Protestant saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire in 2012.So there are no exceptions to the Ad Gentes 7 and the dogma on salvation.
-Lionel Andrades


LEGIONARIES OF CHRIST THE ISSUE IS HUMAN REASON AND NOT THEOLOGY

I sent the following two blog posts to the Communications Director of the Legion of Christ (Legionaries of Christ).

JIM FAIR COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR OF THE LEGION OF CHRIST DOES NOT ANSWER THE TWO QUESTIONS

FROM ROBERTO DE MATTEI TO THE THEOLOGY DEPTT. OF THE UNIVERSITY PONTIFICIAL REGINA APOSTOLORUM ROME - A FALSE PREMISE IS USED IN THE INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II


He has responded
The Legion of Christ adheres fully to the authentic teaching of the Church’s Magisterium. In the case of theological issues that are being discussed by theologians who have different opinions, and that have not been specifically defined by the Magisterium, it is not within the competency of a religious order to take an official position in support of one of those opinions. It would be more appropriate for you to ask INDIVIDUAL theologians for their personal OPINION rather than a CONGREGATION for an official POSITION. We aren’t interested in trying to make theology a political game.
Jim Fair
Communications Director
Legion of Christ312.953.9864
So I have clarified and wait for his answer.
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Dear Jim Fair,

I refer to you as Jim Fair since I am not sure if you are a Legion of Christ priest or a layman.

There is a small misunderstanding and please let me clarify it.Perhaps you will find that we are saying the same thing and we agree.

Jim Fair says:
The Legion of Christ adheres fully to the authentic teaching of the Church’s Magisterium. In the case of theological issues that are being discussed by theologians who have different opinions, and that have not been specifically defined by the Magisterium, it is not within the competency of a religious order to take an official position in support of one of those opinions. It would be more appropriate for you to ask INDIVIDUAL theologians for their personal OPINION rather than a CONGREGATION for an official POSITION. We aren’t interested in trying to make theology a political game.


The Legion of Christ adheres fully to the authentic teaching of the Church’s Magisterium.

Lionel:
Does the Church's Magisterium teach that the baptism of desire is implicit for us and explicit only for God or does the Magisterium teach that the baptism of desire is explicit and known for us and explicit also for God ?(CC1258)

Does the Church's Magisterium teach that those saved in invincible ignorance are visible and known to us in 2012 or does the Magisteriium teach that they are known only to God?(CCC1260)

This is not theology. It is asking a question based on human reason, our inability or ability to see the dead who are now in Heaven.

In the case of theological issues that are being discussed by theologians who have different opinions, and that have not been specifically defined by the Magisterium, it is not within the competency of a religious order to take an official position in support of one of those opinions.

Lionel:
There is a misunderstanding here. No question on theology is being asked.

It would be more appropriate for you to ask INDIVIDUAL theologians for their personal OPINION rather than a CONGREGATION for an official POSITION.

Lionel:
The issue is not theology.
It is about an observation of life which influences theology and philosophy.
If I can see the dead, then my theology and philosophy changes.
If I cannot see the dead saved in Heaven, then my theology and philosophy changes.
Here are the two questions. I have rephrased them:
1) Do we personally know the dead saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16) etc .Can we see them on earth ?

2) Since we do not know any of these cases, can they be exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or will they not be exceptions ?
In Christ
Lionel