VATICAN COUNCIL II IS DOGMATIC AND NOT JUST A PASTORAL COUNCIL
I don't know about Pope Francis but I am back to Traditional Mission based upon ecclesiocentrism since there is no known salvation outside the Church.We cannot meet or see someone saved without faith and baptism; Catholic faith and the baptism of water in 2021.
We are back to the non separation of Church and State since outside the Church there is no known salvation and being a Catholic is a priority for avoiding Hell.So the priority is a Catholic Government.In Heaven there are only Catholics is the official teaching of Vatican Council II ( rational) .
This is the official teaching of the Catholic Church today when Vatican Council II and other Magisterial documents are interpreted with a rational premise.This is not just a personal view.
Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only a pastoral Council.It supports the 16th century EENS, which did not have any exceptions.It was common sense that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance, without the baptism of water, did not refer to personally known and objective people.This was known at the Council of Trent.-Lionel Andrades
UNE 12, 2021
There are so many reports/articles on the Vatican websites which interpret Vatican Council II as being non dogmatic and as a rupture with Tradition.The Council is dogmatic
There are so many reports/articles on the Vatican websites which interpret Vatican Council II as being non dogmatic and as a rupture with Tradition.The websites for the Congregation for the Clergy and the Council for Christian Unity, I have shown on this blog, use a fake premise, to interpret the Council as a rupture with extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
This has been presented as 'a new revelation' in the Catholic Church. The error was used to justify Amoris Laetitia and so to give the Eucharist to the divorced and remarried.
But the Council is dogmatic. It is in line with Church documents which affirm exclusive salvation with only Catholic faith and the baptism of water.Faith and baptism in the Catholic Church(AG 7) is the Conciliar Church's teaching on exclusive salvation with the past exclusivist ecclesiology.-Lionel Andrades
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JUNE 11, 2021
Vatican Council II is dogmatic
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE LIONEL ANDRADES INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II
1.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?
It is the listing of the rational and irrational premise, inference and conclusion. It identifies two different premises with two different conclusions. So the rational premise produces a traditional conclusion and the Vatican Council II is in harmony with Tradition. It has a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition even though Rahner, Congar, Rarzinger and Cushing were present at the Council in 1965.
Collegiality, ecumenism and religious liberty are no more an issue for the conservatives , when Vatican Council II is traditional. Lumen Gentium 8, Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 ecc. oin Vatican Council II refer to only physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.
12.Vatican Council II is dogmatic ?
Yes. Pope Paul VI and the liberals call Vatican Council II "pastoral" and not dogmatic. Since they do not want to affirm the rigorous interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). Without their false premise the Council is dogmatic. It supports the rigorous interpretation of EENS.This was EENS according to the missionaries and the Magisterium of the sixteenth century. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NS 2, GS 22 etc., in the Second Vatican Council, if interpreted rationally, cannot be practical exceptions to EENS. Invisible cases in our reality cannot be objective exceptions to EENS. For example, to get on the bus you have to be present at the bus station. If you are not physically at the bus stop it is not possible to get on the bus.
Another example is, if there is an apple in a box of oranges, the apple is an exception since it is there in the box. If it was not there in that box it would not be an exception. Similarly LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3 etc.,refer only to hypothetical cases. We cannot meet or see anyone saved outside the Church, without faith and the baptism of water. So the Council is not referring to real people, known people in the present times.
Unknown and invisible cases of the baptism of desire (LG 14) and of being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) cannot be objective exceptions for EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.There is no conflict.
So when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally it is dogmatic. -Lionel Andrades
SUNDAY, JUNE 13, 2021
No Baptism, No Salvation - Pope St. Leo The Great
SATURDAY, JUNE 12, 2021
Vatican Council II is dogmatic but the FSSP and the lay community at Dijon, France allow Bishop Roland Minnrath to get away with it
The Second Vatican Council is dogmatic, but the FSSP priests and their community in Dijon, France, allow Bishop Roland Minnerath to get away with it. They must tell him and the diocesan priests that there is no new revelation in the Catholic Church with the Second Vatican Council, since the Council is dogmatic. Ad Gentes 7 (all need faith and baptism for salvation) supports the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) while the hypothetical cases mentioned in LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NS 2, GS 22 etc. cannot be objective exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 in 1965-2021. So there is nothing in the text of the Council that contradicts 16th century EENS or the Athanasius Creed or the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX on there being exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
The Second Vatican Council is dogmatic and the two popes today must accept it. When the Council is interpreted rationally there is no new revelation. The Council irrationally interpreted cannot be Magistral or a new revelation in the Church. The Second Vatican Council affirms the dogma EENS with Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 .While the Council does not contradict EENS or Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14, with LG 8, LG 16, UR 3, GS 22 etc. Since if someone was saved outside the Church, he would be known only to God. They are not part of our reality. They are invisible in 1965-2021.
When Pope Francis says that the Second Vatican Council is the Magisterium of the Church he must refer to a pro-EENS dogmatic Council with the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.
The archbishop chided lay members of the Latin Mass community for their responses to the diocese, which he labeled as "unfortunately revealing of a regrettable spirit of the rejection of the 'conciliar [post-Vatican II] Church.'" 1
The bishop interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise and so the Council does not affirm the dogma EENS and Tradition.But the FSSP and the Latin Mass laity do the same. So the FSSP and the laity correctly reject Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise and the bishops accepts the Council, as a break with Tradition.
Now the Latin Mass laity has to interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise and there will be no break with Tradition. Then they must ask the bishop and the rest of the diocese, to do the same. They will then be affirming Vatican Council II and Tradition and this will become the Conciliar Church. -Lionel Andrades
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LATIN MASS LAITY EXPOSE FRENCH BISHOP’S FIBS
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/latin-mass-laity-expose-french-bishops-fibs
JUNE 10, 2021
Catholics must ask Bishop Roland Minnerath, Archbishop of the Metropolitan diocese of Dijon and a member of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, to interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise and take the whole diocese back to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) of the missionaries in the 16th century.The whole diocese will go trad
The present FSSP congregation of lay Catholics must ask Bishop Roland Minnerath, Archbishop of the Metropolitan diocese of Dijon, a member of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, to interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise and take the whole diocese back to extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) of the missionaries in the 16th century.The whole diocese will go trad.
Then the new bishop cannot strike at the Latin Mass. Since the majority of confirmed, rigid, trads will be at Mass in French.-Lionel Andrades
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/french-bishop-expels-latin-mass-fraternity
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/06/lay-catholics-must-ask-bishop-roland.html
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