Sunday, June 2, 2013

Could Fr.Thomas Rosica at the Vatican Press Office clarify for the SSPX if this is the understanding of Ecclesia Dei and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith ( CDF) on this issue?

In a June 27, 2012 interview, Archbishop J. Augustine DiNoia, secretary of the Pontifical Council Ecclesia Dei, discussed the SSPX’s evaluation of the Second Vatican Council:
“To say [the documents of Vatican II] are not binding is sophistry. The Council contains swathes of the ordinary magisterium, which is de fide divina [of divine faith].
“[T]here’s nothing in the Council that is contrary to Tradition and … every text, or every part of it that is controversial, should be read in context of the Council — and read it in light of the Tradition. It seems to me, despite their difficulties, they should be able to do that.” (1)
 
Is Archbishop Di Noia saying that Vatican Council II is  in agreement with Tradition; with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as if it was interpreted by the Church Councils and popes ?
 
 
Nowhere in Tradition is it stated that there are known exceptions to the dogma, no magisterial document including Vatican Council II states that the dead now saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are visible to us. Since they are not visible to us they are not exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma defined three times.
 
Archbishop Di Noia does not know any person who does not need to enter the Church. If he does he should name this person whom he is sure will be saved without the baptism of water and Catholic Faith.
 
So is Ecclesia Dei now saying that Vatican Council II affirms the traditional teachings of the Church on other religions and ecumenism?
This would mean the Council is in agreement with the Society of St.Pius X's traditional interpretation on other religions and ecumenism.This is a big breakthrough.
 
Could Fr.Thomas Rosica at the Vatican Press Office clarify if this is the understanding of Ecclesia Dei and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith ( CDF) on this issue?
 
This would also mean that Vatican Council II(AG 7) is saying  all atheists need to enter the Church with 'faith and baptism' for salvation and there are no known exceptions.LG 16 is not an exception since being saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience are not visible to us cases. LG 8 is not an exception to AG 7 and the dogma on salvation, since being saved with 'elements of sanctification' is invisible for us.So it is irrelevant to the traditional teaching on salvation.
 
Would this also be the interpretation of Vatican Council II by Pope Francis ? This would be his interpretation of the Council in inter-religious dialogue ?. It would be saying that Jesus cannot be found outside the Catholic Church and to be saved by Jesus all need 'faith and baptism'.

Just faith in Jesus would not be enough, but faith in Jesus within the Catholic Church, as a visible member of the Church and living the Gospel as interpreted by the Catholic Church.

Does Vatican Council II say that all need to be a visible member of the Catholic Church for salvation? Yes. Visible Catholic Faith which can be affirmed and tested and repeated and visible baptism of water.
-Lionel Andrades 
 
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 http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/sspx-we-didnt-criticize-pope-francis-we-agree-with-him/#ixzz2V4KoszQO