Thursday, April 12, 2012

THE ‘SECRET TALKS’ WERE USEFUL FOR THE CDF TO CHANGE CHURCH-TEACHING WITH NO RELEVANT TEXT FROM VATICAN COUNCIL II

The Vatican-SSPX talks were held behind closed doors. Catholics till today are not informed about what were the precise doctrinal differences. Everything is still a secret.

The Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) has been asked to accept the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) position since the magisterium is always correct.

We are called to be the light of the world, the salt of the earth and not to hide our faith in a bushel basket. Yet everything was so secret and it still is.

The people just know that by next week there could be an ‘ecclesial rupture’ because the SSPX rejects the Jewish Left liberal version of Vatican Council II.

Why should we have to accept new doctrines in the name of Vatican Council II and with no supportive text in the Council?

Nowhere in Vatican Council II is it written that we should receive the Eucharist in our hand and nowhere in Vatican Council II, in the name of collegiality or what not, is it mentioned that there are explicit, defacto exceptions to exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.

Bad enough that these new doctrines are held by so many Catholics but now they are likely to excommunicate people for not accepting the deception.

The Bishops Conference of England and Wales website indicates that Lumen Gentium 16 refers to explicitly known cases of non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance.(1) In the past you would expect the CDF to correct them. Now the CDF is making the same mistake. It has approved the same error on the website of the International Theological Commission.

The CDF also assumes LG 16 etc are defacto known exceptions to the SSPX understanding of ecumenism and inter religious dialogue.

Then there are norms for the Tridentine Rite Mass which are violated according to Universae Ecclesiae issued by Ecclesia Dei. Since every priest who offers the Traditional Latin Mass is expected to accept all the dogmas of the Catholic Church. Yet there are good priests who assume that invincible ignorance etc are defacto exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.(2) One just has to accept all this since the pope in Light of the World p.107 makes the same error.

Similarly the Archbishop Emeritus Kevin McDonald of Southwark implies the 'seeds of the Word' in other religions is the ordinary means of salvation and these exceptions are explicitly known.(3) Daphne McLeod says that we do not know any of these cases saved with invincible ignorance… of for that matter ‘seeds of the Word’.(4) But what difference does it make ? How could Daphne McLeod expect the CDF to do anything when they them self are hit by the virus.

Now behind closed doors the CDF assumes that invincible ignorance etc are defacto exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church. So they believe in secret talks that the SSPX position on ecumenism and other religions is wrong. Then in secret they tell the SSPX that there are doctrinal differences and that they need to accept Vatican Council II with no relevant supportive texts or face an ecclesial rupture by next week.-Lionel Andrades
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BISHOPS CONFERENCE OF ENGLAND AND WALES SAYS LUMEN GENTIUM 16 REFERS TO EXPLICITLY KNOWN CASES OF NON CATHOLIC SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE

NORMS FOR THE TRIDENTINE RITE MASS VIOLATED?
PRIESTS OFFERING EXTRAORDINARY FORM OF MASS IN ROME DO NOT MEET CONDITIONS OF UNIVERSAE ECCLESIAE : INSTRUCTIONS OF ECCLESIA DEI

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Archbishop Emeritus Kevin McDonald of Southwark implies the 'seeds of the Word' in other religions is the ordinary means of salvation and these exceptions are explicitly known

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NON CATHOLICS CAN BE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE, BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS- Daphne McLeod, Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice, England

There is no reference text in Vatican Council II contrary to the SSPX position on other religions, ecumenism

Only God can judge invincible ignorance, a good conscience and the presence of 'seeds of the Word 'so they are not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Cardinal Luiz Ladaria is wrong to cite these texts as opposing exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

We often get the pitch of ‘the reforms’ of Vatican Council II from the Jewish Left and if you oppose them, correct them, then they call you anti Semitic. That’s Pastor Ted Pikes experience with the ADL. The ADL’s ‘reforms of Vatican Council II ‘ propaganda has no citations from the Council. There are no reference texts, it’s just a political slogan.

The 'reforms of Vatican Council II' seem to have been cited in the failed Vatican- SSPX talks. Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, who represented the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) ,in the talks, had to reject the SSPX position on ecumenism and other religions. Since he believes that  no more, is there exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.It ended for him after Vatican Council II and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.

He has made this clear in the International Theological Commission’s (ITC) website and it is still there for anyone to check it.

Cardinal Ladaria will cite Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance/ good conscience) as being an exception to exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. He does not realize that only God can judge invincible ignorance and a good conscience. We do not know any such case in the present times (2012).Since we do not know any such person it does not contradict the teaching of exclusive salvation being there in only the Catholic Church.

So he cannot cite invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) as being explicit exceptions to outside the church no salvation. Yet this is what he did and he rejected the SSPX position on ecumenism, other religions, religious liberty etc.

He considered LG 16 as a valid citation from Vatican Council II to reject exclusive salvation and the SSPX position on ecumenism, inter religious dialogue etc. The same could be said about other quotations from Vatican Council II, ‘elements of sanctification’(LG 8) and ‘seeds of the Word’ etc.

The SSPX accepts as a possibility that a non Catholic can be saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience and it would be known only to God. One can only accept it as a possibility since defacto ( in reality) we cannot know any such case.It is only known in Heaven.

The CDF needs to issue a clarification regarding this widespread error.

Common sense tells us that there are no citations in Vatican Council II which contradict the SSPX position on ecumenism, inter religious dialogue, religious liberty etc.

If there is an ‘ecclesial rupture’ because the SSPX is faithful to the doctrines of the Catholic Church and the CDF does not have any relevant citations from Vatican Council II-then this would be an injustice against the SSPX and all loyal, faithful Catholics.

It would be assumed that the ‘ecclesial rupture’ is politically motivated , one of the ‘reforms of Vatican Council II ‘.
-Lionel Andrades

Wednesday, April 11, 2012
CONDITIONS FOR THE SSPX TO 'ENTER THE CHURCH'
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/conditions-for-sspx-to-enter-church.html#links

International Theological Commission (ITC) makes an objective, factual error in two of its published documents. Could they also be wrong about Limbo?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission_2687.html

VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/vaticans-international-theological.html#links

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION USES PREMISE THAT IS FACTUALLY INCORRECT : LIMBO
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission_29.html

The International Theological Commission's position paper Christianity and the World Religions 1997 has an objective factual error and is approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger : invincible ignorance is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commissions.html

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION ASSUMES ‘SEEDS OF THE WORD’ (VATICAN COUNCIL II ) IN OTHER RELIGIONS ARE KNOWN TO US AND THIS IS AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission.html

VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/vaticans-international-theological.html


VATICAN COUNCIL II REJECTS THE THEOLOGY OF RELIGIONS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/vatican-council-ii-rejects-theology-of.html

Former Secretary of the International Theological Commission holds that those saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance are known to us and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/02/secretary-of-international-theological.html#links