Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Being saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance is a non issue with respect to Vatican Council II or the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

Being saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance is invisible to us so it is a non issue with respect to Jesus’ teaching on the need of the baptism of water for salvation. (John 3:5 etc).

Even if there was a case in the present times, saved with the baptism of desire etc, we wouldn’t know. So it is irrelevant to the dogma on salvation and Vatican Council II.
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An Archdiocese of Sydney priest cannot say that Islam and the other religions are not paths to salvation. He contradicts Vatican Council II which says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation(AG 7) and those who know about Jesus and the Church and yet do not enter are oriented to Hell (LG 14).

There are so many educated Muslims in Sydney, besides other non Catholics, who know about Jesus and the Catholic Church. They are informed. Yet they choose not to convert. Fr. John George and the rest of the Archdiocese of Sydney are unable to say that they are all oriented to Hell according to Vatican Council II (LG 14) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 1257,845,846 etc).

Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, and could not be saved.-LG 14

Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."-Ad Gentes 7

Wikipedia has posted the list of some prominent Muslims in Sydney. They know. They are informed.

According to Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 they all need faith and the baptism of water for salvation. They have none. They live with Original Sin and commit mortal sins in this state and do not have access to the Sacrament of Confession.

For Fr. John George being saved with the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance is relevant to the dogma on salvation and Vatican Council II. Since for him these cases in Heaven are physically visible! So he rejects Vatican Council II (AG 7) and other magisterial documents.

This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism (124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.-Lumen Gentium 14

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7
For Fr.John George there are known exceptions, visible in the flesh, to ‘the ordinary means of salvation’, ‘faith and baptism’ which is needed for all and Jesus’ teaching on the necessity of the baptism of water for salvation.(John 3.5).


This also seems the understanding in the Catholic Archdiocese of Sydney. -Lionel Andrades