Monday, November 4, 2019
UK police arrest a wheelchair-using Christian man for praying outside abortion
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Ask the Catholic Bishops Conferences in your country to affirm Vatican Council II.
So every body outside the Church is going to Hell.They all need faith and baptism in the Catholic Church to go to Heaven.This is traditional Catholic theology supported by Vatican Council II.Outside the Church there is no known salvation( John 3:5, Mark 16:16, Mt.7:13 etc).The Jesuit missionaries in the 16th century would affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I).BOD; BOB and I.I were not exceptions to EENS.
This is the ancient Catholic faith which is not being proclaimed by those who like to march at the Vatican or at Nostra Dame in France.
Ask the Catholic Bishops Conferences in your country to affirm Vatican Council II.
-Lionel Andrades
Too bad Sandro Magister, Edward Pentin and Diane Montagne interpret Vatican Council II like Cardinal Hummes, John Allen Jr and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre
Vatican Council II supports exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church so the Amazon Synod Working Paper ( Instrumentum Laboris) was false.The anonymous Coetus International missed out on this important point.They needed to quote Ad Gentes 7 which is ecclesiocentric. Instead they cited Dominus Iesus 14 and 16 which is not ecclesiocentric in the text but only Christological.
They did not quote Ad Gentes 7 since perhaps they did not want to support Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).This is common for the Lefebvrists and liberals.
At the Press Conferences Cardinal Hummes could have been told that Ad Gentes 7 affirms exclusive salvation in the Church and LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical cases only and so do not contradict Feeneyite EENS.Lumen Gentium is in harmony with the past ecclesiology.It supports EENS according to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.
Too bad Sandro Magister, Edward Pentin and Diane Montagne interpret Vatican Council II like Cardinal Hummes, John Allen Jr and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. -Lionel Andrades
Too bad Sandro Magister, Edward Pentin and Diane Montagne interpret Vatican Council II like Cardinal Hummes, John Allen Jr and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. -Lionel Andrades
So Massimo Faggioli can no more interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition(EENS, Syllabusof Errors, Athanasius Creed etc).
If Massimo Faggioli would ask Pope Francis if the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance and LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, refer to physically invisible or visible cases in 2019 for him ?.The pope would answer "physically visible". This is common sense.If he would further be asked, "Can invisible people be visible exceptions to the centuries old interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus?", the pope would say, "No".This is something obvious. Pope Francis would support the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.
So Massimo Faggioli can no more interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition(EENS, Syllabus fo Errors, Athanasius Creed etc).
The Council is not schismatic. On Vatican Council II and EENS, it supports the traditionalists at the St. Benedict Center, N.H, USA.
There are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX.
Similarly Lumen Gentium does not contradict Unam Sanctam on outside the Church there is no salvation.
Vatican Council II does not contradict the ecclesiology of St.Robert Bellarmine.
However Vatican Council II interpreted according to Joseph Ratzinger is irrational and would have to contradict the ecclesiology of St. Robert Belamine and the missionaries of the 16th century. -Lionel Andrades
There are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX.
Similarly Lumen Gentium does not contradict Unam Sanctam on outside the Church there is no salvation.
Vatican Council II does not contradict the ecclesiology of St.Robert Bellarmine.
However Vatican Council II interpreted according to Joseph Ratzinger is irrational and would have to contradict the ecclesiology of St. Robert Belamine and the missionaries of the 16th century. -Lionel Andrades
NOVEMBER 4, 2019
NOVEMBER 4, 2019
Michael Sean Winters affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) since if asked he would say that the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) and LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to invisible and not visible people in 2019. So they are not practical exceptions to the past ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. I have sent him e-mails of these posts and there is no contradiction from him.
NOVEMBER 3, 2019
Michael Sean Winters affirms Vatican Council II and also the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) since the Council supports Feeneyite EENS when it is interpreted rationally.The Council is Feeneyite.He agrees with me.When he supports Fr. Leonard Feeney on EENS he is not in schism since the Council does the same when interpreted rationally. https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/michael-sean-winters-affirms-vatican.html
SEPTEMBER 2, 2019
LifeSitesNews could explain to Michael Sean Winters how doctrinally and theologically they are not in schism : they affirm Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents without the false premise https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/09/lifesitesnews-could-explain-to-michael.html
Their false premise is:-
1. Invisible people are visible.
2.Unknown case of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are personally known.
3.The unknown case of the catechumen who desired the baptism of water but dies before he received it and is saved, is a personally known person.
4.There is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for us human beings.
5.We can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.
6.We can physically see non Catholics in Heaven and on earth who are saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).
7.There are non Catholics who are dead- men visible and walking who are saved outside the Church.
8.There are known people in invincible ignorance through no fault of their own, who are saved.
9.There are some Anglicans and Protestants whom we know who are going to Heaven even though they are outside the Catholic Church.
10.There are some non Catholics whom we know, who are dead, and now are in Heaven, even though they were not Catholic.
With the false premise there are 'objective exceptions' to EENS. There are visible exceptions to the Athanasius Creed, the Nicene Creed is changed, there is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed etc :-
1. The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation is contradicted.
2. The Nicene Creed in which we say, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' over the centuries referred to only one known baptism, the baptism of water.The baptism of desire etc cannot be given to someone like the baptism of water.But now the understanding is ' I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins ( desire,blood and ignorance) and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church'.
3. The Apostles Creed says ' we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church'. Over the centuries it was understood that the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church and taught that there was no salvation outside the Church.Now unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, and LG 8, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, are assumd to be objective examples of salvation outside the Church.
4.In the past three Church Councils defined the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in the extraordinary Magisterium .It was an 'infallible teaching' for Pope Pius X( Letter of the Holy Offie 1949).Now it is obsolete with their being alleged known salvation outside the Church.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.
6.With the false premise the Catechism of Pope Pius X contradict itself. It affirms the strict interpretation of EENS while invincible invincible ignorance is intepreted as referring to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Chuch.Invincible ignorance is not seen as a hypothetical case only.
7.Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus, Ecclesia in Asia, Balamand Declaration etc were all written upholding the false premise. They did not support exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. So in a subtle way they contradicted EENS(Feeneyite), the Athanasius Creed etc. They did not support the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.They are Christological without the traditional ecclesiocentric ecclesiology. It's Christ without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church for salvation.
8. Traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the Church.
9.Inter faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.
LifeSitesNews could explain to Michael Sean Winters how doctrinally and theologically they are not in schism : they affirm Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents without the false premise https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/09/lifesitesnews-could-explain-to-michael.html
With the false premise there are 'objective exceptions' to EENS. There are visible exceptions to the Athanasius Creed, the Nicene Creed is changed, there is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed etc :-
8. Traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the Church.
9.Inter faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.
Their false premise is:-
1. Invisible people are visible.
2.Unknown case of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are personally known.
3.The unknown case of the catechumen who desired the baptism of water but dies before he received it and is saved, is a personally known person.
4.There is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for us human beings.
5.We can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.
6.We can physically see non Catholics in Heaven and on earth who are saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).
7.There are non Catholics who are dead- men visible and walking who are saved outside the Church.
8.There are known people in invincible ignorance through no fault of their own, who are saved.
9.There are some Anglicans and Protestants whom we know who are going to Heaven even though they are outside the Catholic Church.
10.There are some non Catholics whom we know, who are dead, and now are in Heaven, even though they were not Catholic.
With the false premise there are 'objective exceptions' to EENS. There are visible exceptions to the Athanasius Creed, the Nicene Creed is changed, there is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed etc :-
1. The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation is contradicted.
2. The Nicene Creed in which we say, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' over the centuries referred to only one known baptism, the baptism of water.The baptism of desire etc cannot be given to someone like the baptism of water.But now the understanding is ' I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins ( desire,blood and ignorance) and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church'.
3. The Apostles Creed says ' we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church'. Over the centuries it was understood that the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church and taught that there was no salvation outside the Church.Now unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, and LG 8, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, are assumd to be objective examples of salvation outside the Church.
4.In the past three Church Councils defined the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in the extraordinary Magisterium .It was an 'infallible teaching' for Pope Pius X( Letter of the Holy Offie 1949).Now it is obsolete with their being alleged known salvation outside the Church.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.
6.With the false premise the Catechism of Pope Pius X contradict itself. It affirms the strict interpretation of EENS while invincible invincible ignorance is intepreted as referring to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Chuch.Invincible ignorance is not seen as a hypothetical case only.
7.Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus, Ecclesia in Asia, Balamand Declaration etc were all written upholding the false premise. They did not support exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. So in a subtle way they contradicted EENS(Feeneyite), the Athanasius Creed etc. They did not support the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.They are Christological without the traditional ecclesiocentric ecclesiology. It's Christ without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church for salvation.8. Traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the Church.
9.Inter faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.
AUGUST 24, 2019
Masimo Faggioli, Michael Sean Winters interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism and justify so many changes in the Church
AUGUST 22, 2019
Massimo Faggioli and Michael Sean Winters interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism and so do not correct the error made by Pope Paul VI. They also interpret extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism and so do not correct the error made by Pope John XXIII https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/massimo-faggioli-and-michael-sean.html
AUGUST 22, 2019
Massimo Faggioli, Michael Sean Winters and the other Cushingites support heresy when they reject the Athanasius Creed , change the interpretation of the Nicene and Apostles Creed, change the interpretation of Vatican Council II and all the Catechisms and reject traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS ) based upon rational Feeneyism.They are in a general rupture with the past Magisterium, when they use Cushingism as a philosophy and theology
Michael Sean Winters affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) since if asked he would say that the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) and LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to invisible and not visible people in 2019. So they are not practical exceptions to the past ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. I have sent him e-mails of these posts and there is no contradiction from him.
Michael Sean Winters affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) since if asked he would say that the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) and LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to invisible and not visible people in 2019. So they are not practical exceptions to the past ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. I have sent him e-mails of these posts and there is no contradiction from him.
I did not expect him to issue a denial. Since how could he say that BOD, BOB and I.I and LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 , GS 22 etc, refer to personally known and objectively seen people in 2019? How could he name someone saved outside the Church ? How can someone in Heaven also be seen on earth?
So no denial was expected from him.
He may not want to affirm Feeneyite EEBS since it is not politically correct for the Left, for whom he works, but when he accepts Vatican Council II, with LG 8 etc not being literal cases in the present times, he does not contradict EENS according to the missionaries in the 16th century.He is affirming Feeneyite EENS and other magisterial documents interpreted rationally.
He would also know that the Council is also Feeneyite with Ad Gentes 7. It says all need faith and baptism for salvation.So Vatican Council II is Christological and also ecclesiocentric.It is not only Christological.
Ad Gentes 7 is placed in the Catechism of the Catholic Church under the title Outside the Church No Salvation (CCC 846).1
The Catechism of the Catholic Church (846) is ecclesiocentric since even though 'all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body, this is not a reference to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church'.In reality there are no 'physical bodies', in Newton's time and space,saved without faith and baptism, saved outside the Church.Since if someone is saved he or she would be in Heaven and not visible on earth.
So CCC 847-848 2 does not contradict CCC 846 or the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They refer to theoretical cases.
The political correspondent of the National Catholic Reporter, interprets Vatican Council II and EENS rationally, like the traditionalist Brother Andre Marie MICM,Prior at the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire, USA.
-Lionel Andrades
1
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
- Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
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- 847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
- Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337
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NOVEMBER 3, 2019
Michael Sean Winters affirms Vatican Council II and also the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) since the Council supports Feeneyite EENS when it is interpreted rationally.The Council is Feeneyite.He agrees with me.When he supports Fr. Leonard Feeney on EENS he is not in schism since the Council does the same when interpreted rationally. https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/michael-sean-winters-affirms-vatican.html
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