Bishops and priests of the SSPX picture being saved in invincible ignorance, as referring to physically visible and personally known people : so the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994) becomes a rupture with Tradition for them

The Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) misinterprets the Catechism of the Catholic Church as a rupture with extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX,since the bishops and priests of the SSPX, in their mind picture being saved in invincible ignorance, as referring to physically visible and personally known people.If in their mind they would picture being saved in invincible ignorance; those who have not had the Gospel preached to them through no fault of their own, as referring to only a theoretical and hypothetical case, there would be no conflict with Tradition.

They are not aware of this subtle error which they make.

If I would tell an SSPX priest here that he pictures people in invincible ignorance being visibly and personally known, he  could deny it.He could say, "Of course I know that we cannot see or meet someone saved in invincible ignorance outside the Church. This is something obvious".

Then if I would ask him if invincible ignorance is an exception to EENS he would immediately say, "Yes", unaware of the connection.

"If there is an exception to EENS then it means there is a personally known and visible case, which is an exception," I would say. There would be no reply.

Once this error is acknowledged and corrected the SSPX can go back to traditional Mission and evangelisation, based on Feeneyite EENS.They would also not have to reject the Catechism of the Catholic Church or Vatican Council II.

Now like the Minim Fathers of St. Francis of Paula, who offer Holy Mass in Italian at the Basilica of San Andrea delle Fratte, Rome, they are not responding to the posts on this blog, referring to them specifically, as being in heresy.1 This is an impediment to offering Holy Mass, since the Mass would be a sacrilege for them. There is public scandal and a mortal sin of faith.

When I say that they interpret the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( invincible ignorance) as a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors ( outside the Church there is no salvation) they do not deny it.

When I say that they have changed the Nicene Creed, rejected the Athanasius Creed and re-interpreted the Apostles' Creed, giving specific examples they do not deny it.

When I say that I interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church without their irrational error and so there is no rupture with EENS , the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return while for them there is a complete rupture with Tradition, they do not deny it.-Lionel Andrades

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 FEBRUARY 27, 2019

Is not a Lefbvrist traditionalist a heretic ?

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/is-not-lefbvrist-traditionalist-heretic.html

Is not a Lefbvrist traditionalist a heretic ? This has been reported many times before and no one at the SSPX denies it.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/father-davide-pagliarani-supports-and.html

 FEBRUARY 26, 2019

Father Davide Pagliarani supports an ecumenical Christ and a Christian Theology of Religious Pluralism and Salvation : SSPX communique

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/father-davide-pagliarani-supports-and.html

FEBRUARY 27, 2019

Un tradizionalista di Arcivescovo Marcel Lefebvre non è un eretico?

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/un-tradizionalista-di-arcivescovo.html

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Catechism of the Catholic Church supports Fr. Leonard Feeney

The Catechism of the Catholic Church supports Fr. Leonard Feeney.It supports the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).It affirms EENS with the citation from Ad Gentes 7 ( all need faith and baptism for salvation) and we know that invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire and being saved with the baptism of blood refer to hypothetical cases, invisible in 2019 and so are not exceptions to AG 7 and EENS.


So with Feeneyite EENS intact we still have traditional mission.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church is in harmony with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), the past exclusive ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.There are no objective exceptions to EENS mentioned in the Catechism.It means all non Catholics are oriented to Hell and not just those who know about Jesus and the Church.

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) needs to tell Catholics that all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation and there are no known exceptions.

They need to tell young Catholics that outside the Catholic Church there is no known salvation.Those who die outside the Church are on the way to Hell.

This has been the teaching of the Church for centuries, based on Scripture and Tradition according to Vatican Council II (AG 7).We cannot separate Jesus from membership in the Catholic Church, for salvation( to avoid Hell).

But this is not how Pope Benedict, the CDF, the SSPX and the traditionalists interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II.Vatican Council II and the many Catechisms are really Feeneyite.

Pope Benedict did not tell Michel Bohnke, the theologian, that Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church support the strict interpretation of the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation and so is the basis for mission to the Jews.Bohnke criticized the pope and accused him of  advocating proselytism (trying to convert Jews).

There is nothing in CCC 846-848 to contradict EENS, the past exclusivist ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.

The following passage in red is hypothetical and not a reference to a concrete and known non Catholic saved outside the Church.

While the passage in blue affirms extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

The red is not an exception to the blue, the red does not contradict the blue : Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848

"Outside the Church there is no salvation" 
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: 

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: 

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."

-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 

The passages in red refer to hypothetical cases, theoretical possibilities and not personally known non Catholics saved outside the Church in the present times(2019).

The passage in blue agrees with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) which says all need to be members of the Catholic Church, for salvation, all need faith and baptism to avoid the fires of Hell.

The passage in blue is the norm for salvation in the Catholic Church, it is the rule on how to go to Heaven, for all people,  as taught to the Church over the centuries, by the Holy Spirit.

For there to be an exception there would have to be a person saved outside the Church who is known and physically visible. An invisible person who does not exist in our reality cannot be an objective excepton to all needing to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation.

So the passages in red are hypothetical only, always. They can only be hypothetical.

So Catholics still have traditional mission to all non Catholics, based on the traditional interpretation of exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. This is supported by the Church Fathers and Vatican Council II and the Catechisms.-Lionel Andrades

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JANUARY 26, 2019

    

The Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus : CDF makes a mistake

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-catechism-of-catholic-church.html

JANUARY 27, 2019

Pope Benedict never said that Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church tell us all need faith and baptism for salvation and so they support the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/pope-benedict-never-said-that-vatican.html

JANUARY 26, 2019

The red is not an exception to the blue, the red does not contradict the blue : Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-red-is-not-exception-to-blue-red.html

JANUARY 25, 2019

For me the red does not contradict the blue so there is a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition ( Graphics)

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/for-me-red-does-not-contrradict-blue-so.html

In a prepared statement for the press the former Jesuit(Fr.Leonard Feeney) added: "The conscience difficulty is that the diocese of Boston, under the auspices of Archbishop Cushing, and Boston College, under the auspices of Father John J. McEloney, S.J., both notably ignorant in the field of Catholic theology ... are teaching that there is salvation outside the Catholic Church." - Father Feeney Is Dismissed From Jesuit Order by Rome
 http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1949/10/29/father-feeney-is-dismissed-from-jesuit/ 

 FEBRUARY 28, 2019

No Magisterial document contradicts Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus( EENS)

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/no-magisterial-document-contradicts_28.html

 FEBRUARY 15, 2019

CDF could ask Cardinal Muller and Bishop Schneider to interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church rationally

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/cdf-could-ask-cardinal-muller-and.html

FEBRUARY 13, 2019

Cardinal Gerhard Muller cites the Catechism of the Catholic Church but does not say that it affirms the strict interpretation of salvation

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/cardinal-gerhard-muller-cites-catechism.html

 FEBRUARY 9, 2019

It is Vatican Council II which is part of the seismic shift. It has changed before our very eyes ( Graphics )

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/it-is-vatican-council-ii-which-is-part.html

FEBRUARY 9, 2019

The red is not an exception to the blue' : new extraordinary understanding of Vatican Council II

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-red-is-not-exception-to-blue-new.html

 FEBRUARY 5, 2019

Catholic media does not say that Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/catholic-media-does-not-say-that.html

FEBRUARY 4, 2019

Bishop Peter Libasci and the CDF will not place Brother Andre Marie's Letter Explaining Saint Benedict Center’s Doctrinal Stance on the diocese website

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/bishop-peter-libasci-and-cdf-will-not.html

FEBRUARY 3, 2019

Archbishops Giacomo Morandi and Joseph Augustine di Noia, Secretary and Adjunct Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrince of the Faith, Vatican are reading the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 with the red passages being an exception to the blue passages. This is irrational, non traditional and heretical

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/archbishops-giacomo-morandi-and-joseph.html

JANUARY 26, 2019

The Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus : CDF makes a mistake

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-catechism-of-catholic-church.html

JANUARY 25, 2019

The Social Reign of Christ the King can be proclaimed based on Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church which affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-social-reign-of-christ-king-can-be.html

JANUARY 23, 2019

The rational approach, the only approach, is that CCC 846 affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS and there are no practical exceptions mentioned in CCC 846 or the rest of the Catechism

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-rational-approach-only-approach-is.html

JANUARY 22, 2019

 

Catechism of the Catholic Church (n.846) affirms the strict and traditional interpretation of EENS defined by three Church Councils in the Extraordinary Magisterium 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/catechism-of-catholic-church-n846.html

  

JANUARY 19, 2019

Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus : CDF, Diocese of Manchester irrational and heretical 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/vatican-council-ii-and-catechism-of.html

 

JANUARY 18, 2019

Outside the Church there is no salvation in the Catechism( N.846) affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus   https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/outside-church-there-is-no-salvation-in.html

 JANUARY 16, 2019

Catechism of the Catholic Church and Dominus Iesus 'constitutive of Catholic teaching ' do not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS : the CDF made an objective error

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/catechism-of-catholic-church-and.html
 

Why should the St. Benedict Center be obedient to public heresy,schism and sacrilege from the CDF and the Diocese of Manchester ? 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-should-st-benedict-center-be.html

JANUARY 13, 2019

Diocesan of Manchester needs to clarify its doctrinal position for Catholics

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/diocesan-of-manchester-needs-to-clarify.html

The Diocese of Manchester's Decree-Precepts-St.Benedict Center, issued by the Episcopal Vicar for Canonical Affairs is based on false reasoning 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-diocese-of-manchesters-decree.html

JANUARY 11, 2019

The CDF wants Catholic religious communities and lay movements to accept heresy and sacrilege otherwise canonical prohibitions will be placed upon them

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-cdf-wants-catholic-religious.html

JANUARY 10, 2019

Brother Andre Marie MICM affirms extra ecclesiam nulla salus based on Vatican Council II : query from the CDF

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/broandre-marie-affirms-extra-ecclesiam.html

JANUARY 8, 2019

St.Robert Bellarmine was a Feeneyite and so was St. Thomas Aquinas.So is Vatican Council II

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/strobert-bellarmine-was-feeneyite-and.html

JANUARY 5, 2019

Vatican Council II has a heretical theology but in a peculiar way it can be interpreted non heretically

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/vatican-council-ii-has-heretical.html
 DECEMBER 31, 2018
Cushingite passages do not contradict Feeneyite passages. The liberals did not know ( Graphics)  https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/cushingite-passages-do-not-contradict.html

 DECEMBER 31, 2018

  

The Traditional Latin Mass must not be separated from the exclusive-salvation theology of Vatican Council II (Graphics)

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-traditional-latin-mass-must-not-be.html

DECEMBER 17, 2018

The Church is Necessary

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-church-is-necessary.html