Friday, January 31, 2014

...and also Cardinal Walter Kaspar

Cardinal Walter Kaspar uses the right hand side column and assumes the Decree on Ecumenism, Vatican Council II contradicts the exclusive interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus by Father Leonard Feeney. He also suggests that Pope Pius XII did not support Fr.Leonard Feeney on doctrine/dogma but condemned him. In other words the pope also made a factual error.He does not acknowledge that the Letter of the Holy Office itself suggests  that Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for disobedience and not heresy (2).
 
All salvation referred to in Vatican Council II i.e saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16), imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3),seeds of the Word (AG 11), good and holy things in other religions (NA 2) etc are either:

implicit                      or    explicit for us.

hypothetical             or    known in reality.

invisible                    or     visible in the flesh.

dejure ( in principle) or     defacto ( in fact ).

subjective                  or     objective.

So one can choose from the left hand side or the right hand side column.

If the right hand side column is chosen then Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and Tradition in general on other religions and Christian communities and churches. There are known exceptions in 2014 to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Cathlic Church. The dead- saved are visible.

If the left hand side column is chosen then Vatican Council II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus, nor Tradition on other religions and Christian communities and churches.

Most people interpret Vatican Council II with the right hand side values.

So the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance was never ever an exception to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney, unless one is using the right hand side column.There were and are no known exceptions.

In 2014 the Padre Pio Prayer groups, the Neo Catechumenal Way, Charismatic Renewal, all the religious communities and most of the Diocesan priests, the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX), Archbishop Gerhard Muller, Archbishop Augustine Di Noi, Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J, Monsignor Guido Pozzo and the Vatican Council for the Clergy are using the irrational column in the interpretation of Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston 1949.- Lionel Andrades
 
 
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In the course of the Council the “subsistit in” took the place of the previous “est”.[7] It contains in nuce the whole ecumenical problem.[8] The “est” claimed that the church of Christ Jesus “is” the Catholic Church. This strict identification of the church of Christ Jesus with the Catholic Church had been represented most recently in the encyclicals Mystici corporis (1943) and Humani generis (1950).[9] But even according to Mystici corporis there are people who, although they have not yet been baptised, are subsumed under the Catholic Church because that is their express desire (DS 3921). Therefore Pius XII had condemned an exclusive interpretation of the axiom “Extra ecclesiam nulla salus” already in 1949.- Cardinal Walter Kaspar, on the website of the Vatican Council for Christian Unity
 
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that some of the associates of the institutions mentioned above refused reverence and obedience to legitimate authorities.
 

Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity claims Pope Pius XII condemned the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus :suggests those in invincible ignorance are explicitly known to us and so contradicts the dogma
 
 
Padre Pio Prayer Groups, Neo Catechumenal Way, Charismatic Renewal, all the religious communities, Diocesan priests... the SSPX, Archbishop Gerhard Muller,Archbishop Augustine Di Noia ,Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J, Monsignor Guido Pozzo and the Vatican Council for the Clergy...
 
 
CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF

Padre Pio Prayer Groups, Neo Catechumenal Way, Charismatic Renewal, all the religious communities, Diocesan priests... the SSPX, Archbishop Gerhard Muller,Archbishop Augustine Di Noia ,Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J, Monsignor Guido Pozzo and the Vatican Council for the Clergy...

On the Vatican website for the clergy a report (1) first assumes that there are known exceptions to the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.It then rejects the traditional interpretation on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. It then promotes the theology of religions and dissidents theolgians who also use the right hand column in the interpretation of Vatican Council II etc. The problem begins when they assume what is implicit is explicit, what is invisible for us is visible for them.It is a factual error since we cannot see the dead who are saved.
 
All salvation referred to in Vatican Council II i.e saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16), imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3),seeds of the Word (AG 11), good and holy things in other religions (NA 2) etc are either:

implicit                      or     explicit for us.

hypothetical              or     known in reality.

invisible                     or     visible in the flesh.

dejure ( in principle) or     defacto ( in fact ).

subjective                 or     objective.

So one can choose from the left hand side or the right hand side column.

If the right hand side column is chosen then Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and Tradition in general on other religions and Christian communities and churches. There are known exceptions in 2014 to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Cathlic Church. The dead- saved are visible.

If the left hand side column is chosen then Vatican Council II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus, nor Tradition on other religions and Christian communities and churches.

Most people interpret Vatican Council II with the right hand side values.

So the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance was never ever an exception to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney, unless one is using the right hand side column.There were and are no known exceptions.

In 2014 the Padre Pio Prayer groups, the Neo Catechumenal Way, Charismatic Renewal, all the religious communities and most of the Diocesan priests, the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX), Archbishop Gerhard Muller, Archbishop Augustine Di Noi, Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J, Monsignor Guido Pozzo and the Vatican Council for the Clergy are using the irrational column in the interpretation of Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston 1949.- Lionel Andrades
 
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Infine un ulteriore pronunciamento magisteriale fu provocato dall'insegnamento di alcuni teologi americani che interpretavano l'assioma Extra ecclesiam nulla salus in senso rigorista, concedendo la salvezza solo ai battezzati cattolici e a quei catecumeni che avessero esplicitamente chiesto di entrare nella chiesa cattolica. Il vescovo di Boston, Mons. Cushing, chiese l'intervento del Sant' Ufficio, la cui risposta, pur riaffermando la dignità dogmatica dell'assioma, ne condannò l'interpretazione rigorista riprendendo le tesi dell'ignoranza invincibile e del voto implicito (Cfr. DS, 3866-3873. Tra questi il gesuita P. Leonard Feeney, non accettò le indicazioni del magistero e subì la scomunica il 4 febbraio 1953)...
Però il documento "Cristianesimo e religioni" della Commissione Teologica Internazionale (1996) è cauto nel riconoscere una funzione salvifica alle altre religioni anche se afferma che non si possa escludere una certa funzione salvifica presente in esse (nn. 84 e 96)...- Don Alberto Sartori, on the website of the Congregation for the Clergy,Vatican.

Vatican website for clergy promotes 'theology of religions', Kung and Knitter : claims Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for the same interpretation of the dogma as the popes and saints
 
Pope Francis’ feast of St.George statement contradicts the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/05/pope-francis-feast-of-stgeorge.html#links