Wednesday, March 29, 2023

If Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II rationally, he will be forced to accept Tradition like the Franciscans of the Immaculate. As Catholics learn that they have a choice- they can interpret the Council rationally, priests and bishops will, do the same. Future cardinals will only be able to interpret the Council rationally

 

A future pope can only be a rad trad, since Vatican Council II, ethically, can only be interpreted rationally and so traditionally.

Austen Ivereig knows about this but he hides this information. It is the same with Bishop Robert Barron and the apologists at Word on Fire. Pope Francis himself knows about this.


He was informed by the Italian National Catechetical Center. He wants the Council to be interpreted irrationally and dishonestly. This is the   approved interpretation of the Council, even though it is not inspired by the Holy Spirit.

The catechesis in Italy, and the rest of the world, is based upon the Council being a rupture with Tradition even though the Council is in harmony with the past ecclesiocentrism; the necessity of membership of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell ( for salvation ).

Pope Francis knew that the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate were going back to Tradition while rejecting Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally.Their seminary and church in Boccea, Rome remains closed.

If Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II rationally, he will be forced to accept Tradition like the Franciscans of the Immaculate.

As Catholics learn that they have a choice- they can interpret the Council rationally, priests and bishops will, do the same. Future cardinals will only be able to interpret the Council rationally.- Lionel Andrades

MARCH 29, 2023

Domincan Sister on the bus in Rome

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MARCH 29, 2023



To get a degree in theology from the Angelicum the Dominican sister has to support what is irrational, nontraditional, schismatic and unethical and assume this is Catholic orthodoxy

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MARCH 29, 2023



The Dominican sister I spoke to yesterday has to support heresy and schism to be able to continue at the Angelicum

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To get a degree in theology from the Angelicum the Dominican sister has to support what is irrational, nontraditional, schismatic and unethical and assume this is Catholic orthodoxy

 

When I told the Dominican Sister yesterday that the baptism of desire (BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I)  in the 1949  Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston with reference to Fr. Leonard Feeney, referred to an invisible case, so it was Pope Pius XII and Cardinal Cushing who were in heresy and schism and not Fr. Leonard Feeney, this was too much for her. BOD and I.I were not practical exceptions for Feeneyite EENS.This is a discovery when you see through the false narrative on the Fr. Leonard Feeney case.

I told her Fr. Leonard Feeney was only supporting the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) and the Council of Florence (1442). They defined the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). These Councils did not mention any exceptions. Over the centuries the Church  considered the baptism of desire etc as being invisible and not a practical exception for EENS. This is common sense. They did not have any other choice.The baptism of desire etc is always theoretical for us human beings.

All this goes against the false narrative this Dominican Sister is taught at the Angelicum on Fr. Leonard Feeney, the 1949 LOHO, Vatican Council II etc.

To get a degree in theology from the Angelicum she has to support what is irrational, nontraditional, schismatic and unethical and assume this is Catholic orthodoxy.- Lionel Andrades

The Dominican sister I spoke to yesterday has to support heresy and schism to be able to continue at the Angelicum

 

The Dominican sister I spoke to yesterday on the bus is typical of St. Catherine Droste op, Dean of Theology and the rest of the faculty at the Angelicum, Rome. They cannot speak on theology in public because of the political theology, the political bias, they have to teach, which is not Catholic.

Students know that after they get a degree in theology from the University of St. Thomas Aquinas and the other pontifical universities, as did Fr. Francesco Giordano who teaches at the Angelicum, they will be able to teach and earn and it will be a career.

On the other hand, if they interpret Vatican Council II and the baptism of desire (BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance (I.I)  rationally, they would be expelled by the university and may be also their religious community.

Fr. Leonard Feeney said there are no visible cases of the baptism of desire. This is common sense. This was the interpretation over the centuries. He was expelled by the Jesuits, removed as a teacher at Boston College and excommunicated. This was political.

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre would not accept Vatican Council II with LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc being visible exceptions for the dogma EENS i.e. according to the Council of Florence 1442  and the past Catechisms. This would have been irrational. It would be accepting an irrational version of Vatican Council II. He was correct. But he was excommunicated. This was political.

Cardinal Ratzinger interpreted the BOD and I.I and Vatican Council II irrationally. He excommunicated ted Archbishop Lefebvre. He also approved the irrational interpretation of the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office and did not defend Fr. Leonard Feeney.

Now when the Dominican Sister says that she accepts Vatican Council II in harmony with Tradition, she means Fr. Leonard Feeney was in heresy and Pope Pius X was orthodoxy. This was also the narrative of the popes from Paul VI.

When I say that I accept Vatican Council II in harmony with Tradition, I mean Fr. Leonard Feeney was teaching the same orthodoxy as the Council of Florence and the old Catechisms. It was Pope Pius XII, the Jesuits and the Cardinal -Archbishop of Boston who were in heresy. With alleged visible cases of BOD and I.I they were rejecting the Council of Florence and the Fourth Lateran Council.

So when Pope Benedict mentioned the hermeneutic of continuity with the past he was referring to heresy and schism and not the past ecclesiocentrism. There is a continuity with error.

The Dominican Sister officially has to support heresy (visible cases of BOD etc make the dogma EENS obsolete. It is the same for the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors.) She has to in public, in conversations, support schism (visible cases of BOD etc produce a rupture with EENS etc according the past Magisterium over the centuries. In this way she is allowed to remain at the University of St. Thomas Aquinas.

So there is a new Magisterium for her, as Cardinal Arthur Roche confirmed, which is a break with the past Magisterium, which was ecclesiocentric and also Christocentric. It is created by confusing what is invisible as being visible.

The Dominicans are only Christocentric and this fits in with the New Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology etc. If they did not confuse what is invisible as being visible, there would no more be general heresy and schism and neither the New Ecumenism, New Evangelisation etc.- Lionel Andrades



MARCH 29, 2023

Domincan Sister on the bus in Rome

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Domincan Sister on the bus in Rome

 

Yesterday evening on the 916 bus route in Rome I showed a Dominican sister my enlarged Salvation Badge ( see below). She said she accepted the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) and the Council of Florence (1442) and that Vatican Council II was not a rupture with either of them. I was surprised. Since she studies at the University of St.Thomas Aquinas, Rome.

I asked again and she confirmed it with the same answer.

So I said that for me the two Councils in 1215 and 1442 do not mention the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance and for me they are physically invisible cases. She agreed.

So are you saying there are no exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), according to the old Councils? I asked.

 

She said it depends upon how you interpret it. Have you heard of Fr. Feeney ? She asked. He was excommunicated she said. 

Then it was clear to me that she had rejected the past Councils and Vatican Council II was a rupture with the past-Tradition for her. It was expected. This is the political position of the Dominican faculty at the Angelicum.

I did not tell her that the excommunication of Fr. Leonard Feeney was lifted during his life time without him having to recant. 

Instead I  said in The 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston with reference to Fr. Leonard Feeney(LOHO), there is the reference to the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance. They are invisible cases. She had earlier agreed with me.Invisible cases could not be objective exceptions for Feeneyite EENS. The 1949 LOHO made a mistake. Pope Pius XII approved it.

Fr. Leonard Feeney was affirming the past Councils over the centuries and for him the baptism of desire refers to an invisible case. This is indicated in the book The Bread of Life.

So how could he be in heresy for supporting the past Councils and interpreting the baptism of desire, rationally, as they did over the centuries?

The Boson Heresy Case really referred to the heresy of Pope Pius XII, Cardinal Richard Cushing and the American Jesuits. In other words it is the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, which is in heresy and schism today and not Brother Andre Marie micm and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

They were projecting the BOD and I.I as exceptions for EENS. In other words these were visible cases. So their premise was irrational and with the irrational premise they did away with the dogma EENS.

Where are the people saved with the BOD and I.I.? There are none in our reality. They can only be known to God.

She said her stop had come and she had to leave.- Lionel Andrades


  

FUORI DELLA CHIESA CATTOLIC

NON C’E SALVEZZA

(OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION)

GIOV.3:5, MC.16:16

(JOHN 3:5, MARK 16:16)

CONCILIO VATICANO II (AG7/LG14)

(VATICAN COUNCIL II (Ad Gentes 7/ Lumen Gentes 14)

CATECHISMO DELLA CHIESA CATTOLICA (846)

(CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 846)

CATECHISMO DEL TRENTO, CATECHISMO DEL PAPA PIO X,

(CATECHISM OF TRENT, CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X)

CONCILIO LATERANO (1215), CONCILIO DI FIRENZE (1442)

(FOURTH LATERAN COUNCIL (1215), COUNCIL OF FLORENCE (1442))

Name: Lionel Andrades

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Blog: eucharistandmission ( Lionel’s blog).               

 March 19, 2023 Feast day of St. Joseph

P.S: THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE (BOD), BAPTISM OF BLOOD(BOB) AND BEING SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE (I.I) ARE ALWAYS HYPOTHETICAL AND PHYSICALLY INVISIBLE CASES. SO THEY DO NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS (EENS).

THE BOD, BOB AND I.I ARE  NOT KNOWN PEOPLE IN PERSONAL CASES. THERE ARE NO PHYSICALLY VISIBLE CASES OF BEING SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE.SO THEY ARE NOT OBJECTIVE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE DOGMA EENS IN 1965-2023.

AD GENTES 7 AND LUMEN GENTIUM 14 SUPPORT THE DOGMA EENS .LG 8,14, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 ETC ARE NOT PRACTICAL EXCEPTIONS FOR  AG 7/ LG 14 AND THE DOGMA EENS. THE COUNCIL HAS THE HERMENEUTIC OF CONTINUITY WITH THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS, THE ATHANASIUS CREED AND THE CATECHISM OF POPE PIUS X ( 24Q,27Q).