Tuesday, May 15, 2012

CATHOLICS COULD CONDUCT AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN OUTSIDE GERMAN EMBASSIES SAYING : ‘Don’t tell us how to interpret Vatican Council II.Neither tells us our faith and what we should believe in !’

A Vice President of the German Parliament (Bundestag) Wolfgang Thierse criticizing the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) wants Catholics to change their religious beliefs on the need for Jews to convert, on Jews no more being the Chosen People of God.He wants Catholics  to hold false teachings on Nostra Aetate.

He does not admit that Vatican Council II itself says Jews need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation (AG 7) .There are no known exceptions on earth (e.g LG 16) including invincible ignorance and a good conscience.

This is not just the belief of the SSPX but the actual teaching of Vatican Council II according to the text.There are no known exceptions to AG 7 mentioned in Nostra Aetate.

Catholics could demand the religious freedom mentioned in Dignitatis Humanae, Vatican Council II.The SSPX and all Catholics should have the freedom of worship and religion, according to the teachings of the Catholic Church and not be told what Catholic beliefs are acceptable to non Catholics.

Also the Vice President of the German Parliament should speak about  the actual teaching of Vatican Council II and not issue statements with no supporting text from the Council.

The SSPX posiiton on ecumenism, Judaism and other religions is in full agreement with Vatican Council II.Instead it is Cardinal Kurt Koch who needs to affirm Vatican Council II (AG 7) in accord with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, which the Church has not retracted and which is not contradicted by Vatican Council II since invincible ignorance etc are not exeptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma or AG 7. He needs to affirm Vatican Coucnil II and the dogma in public before offering Holy Mass.

It was Pope John Paul II who said it is a basic fundamental human right to choose one’s religion or to convert.This applies also to Jews. Jews must have the freedom to accept Jesus as the Messiah and convert into the Catholic Church.

Before the German embassy Catholics could hold placards saying:

VATICAN COUNCIL II SAYS ALL NON CATHOLICS NEED TO CONVERT INTO THE CHURCH FOR SALVATION.


VATICAN COUNCIL II, NOSTRA AETATE 4 SAYS CATHOLICS ARE THE NEW CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD.


NOSTRA AETATE AND LUMEN GENTIUM 16 DO NOT CONTRADICT AD GENTES 7


VATICAN COUNCIL II AGREES WITH THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS


EVERY HUMAN BEING HAS THE BASIC RIGHT TO CHANGE HIS RELIGION.


DO NOT TELL CATHOLICS WHAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE IN.


DON’T INTEPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II WITHOUT ANY SUPPORTING TEXT FROM THE COUNCIL.

This message could be sent to Michael H. Gerdts the German Ambassador in Rome to be conveyed to the Vice Presidents of the German Parliament.-Lionel Andrades

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Tuesday, May 15, 2012
GERMANY EXPRESSES CONCERN ABOUT THE INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II ACCORDING TO TRADITION
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GERMANY EXPRESSES CONCERN ABOUT THE INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II ACCORDING TO TRADITION

Cardinal Kurt Koch says the SSPX will have to accept Vatican Council and accept dialogue with the Jews first before recognition.

They are demanding that the SSPX should recognize Nostra Aetate, Vatican Council II. Nostra Aetate 4 is an issue of dispute since it says that the Church is the new people of God. Catholics are the Chosen People of God.

Nostra Aetate also does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 which says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation. This includes Jews.

Nowhere in Nostra Aetate is it said that Jews do not have to convert into the Church or that Jews are saved in general in their religion.

The Catholic Vice-President of the Bundestag, Wolfgang Thierse, a member of the SPD party and the Zentralkomitee der deutschen Katholiken (the central Committee of German Catholics) it is reported has spent four days in Rome to meet various representatives of the Holy See leadership, starting with Cardinal Kurt Koch, President of the Vatican Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews.

In a series of interviews with the German media, he explained that the Society of St. Pius X must recognise the Magisterium’s authority and therefore that of the Second Vatican Council. There are two sensitive points on which the Vatican has apparently shown no hesitation or reserve, that is, relations with the Jews and the recognition of religious freedom.

He did not say or did not know that the SSPX is in agreement with the text of Vatican Council II and the teachings of the past popes including Pope John Paul II. (Dominus Iesus 20, Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,846 etc). They are also asking for recognition of their right to religious freedom and to live their Catholic Faith according to Vatican Council II in accord with Tradition.

Cardinal Koch stressed it is reported that the Vatican cannot fight for human rights on a global level and then “embrace a group for whom religious freedom is still the focal point of a dispute.” “These are essential issues on which the Vatican will not give in,” he concluded.

It needs to be mentioned that the SSPX and all Catholics are demanding the religious freedom to affirm Vatican Council II knowing that invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire and being saved with a good conscience are not exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 or the thrice defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

The report said that despite receiving reassurance, the Jewish world (meaning Jewish Left) still seems concerned about a potential reconciliation it is reported.

This seems a Jewish Left threat to Catholic freedom of worship. It is telling Catholics what they should believe in and what is approved by Talmud Jews.

Last week, Israel’s chief Ashkenazi rabbi, Yona Metzger the report said reiterated that the Vatican should not sign any agreement until Lefebvrian prelates “have changed their mind” about Nostra Aetate and relations with Jews. “It seems only natural – he said – that all leaders of the Catholic Church should respect the Vatican’s decisions.” A similar appeal came about a month or so ago from European rabbis and the U.S.’s Anti-Defamation League.

Long before Nostra Aetate Jesus asked us to love all people including Jews. He also asked Catholics to speak the truth. This would include preaching the truth to those who have created leftist diversity laws but cannot extend these laws to Catholics and their right to interpret the Council according to the text and Tradition.

CARDINAL RAYMOND BURKE ADDRESSES WALK FOR LIFE PARTICIPANTS

It was good to see Buddhist monks participating in a predominantly Catholic walk for life on Sunday morning. Cardinal Raymond Burke was there and also the Mayor of Rome.

Participants included Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, Il Timone and Militia Christi who are clear on Catholic doctrine with respect to other religions and salvation. The Church tells us that they are all lost and there are no known exceptions. On social issues however we can all work together, especially on pro life issues.

It reminds me of Bishop Richard Williamson saying he was not anti Semitic .He once invited a Jewish Rabbi , to speak to seminarians when he was the Rector at the Society of St.Pius X  seminary in Argentina.(I hope it was an orthodox Rabbi).

On Sunday there was an Il Timone contingent and a big Militia Christi group which held the rear end of the march. Before the big procession began to move, members’ of the Militia Christ knelt on the road in front of the Colisieum and Mons Ignacio Barreiro gave them his blessing. By the time I took the camera out of my pocket it was over.

There were a few Muslim there too. Muslims in Rome are sympathetic to this issue. I once held a card board carton   with coloured abortion pictures pasted on it. Muslim passers by, outside the Santo Spirito in Sassia hospital, near the Vatican would approve in solidarity.

The pictures were from the website of the Center for Bio Ethical Reform and Fr. Frank Pavone's website.These pictures are now prohibited in Canada and other countries where leftist ‘liberal’ laws are being implemented.When you see these pictures you understand what abortion is. Before that I had a vague, stupid idea of what it was.

Mothers passing by the hospital would gasp and distract the children. People on the public buses would stare and point out to the board with a look of horror.One lady came up to me and said in a quiet voice that those were not abortion pictures. She had four abortions and they were not like this.Other mothers cried.One lady saw the board and told me she regrets losing her son in an abortion.

I was prohibited from carrying the ‘mostra’ (exhibition) into some of the churches here. At the public libraries I could not ‘park’ the board unless I turned it around and hid the pictures.

The abortion laws in Italy show the need for the non separation of Church and State.Secularism and State should be separated. The secular laws are a foreign culture, an evil one, being imposed on the people. Over 1, 30,000 babies are killed in abortion every year in Italy and the media gives more attention to the Jewish holocaust years back. Hate against pro lifers and all that is good is the political ideology today in the name of hate.

Those who affirm the Catholic Faith have their websites targeted and jobs threathened. While the laws permit pornography, immodesty and promiscuity which results in an increase in abortions. The present suffering in society exists, since legally, Jesus is not the centre of all legislation and it is replaced by evil laws called secular and liberal.
-Lionel Andrades