Sunday, June 25, 2017

Mons. Brunero Gherardini misled the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and many traditionalists

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Mons. Brunero Gherardini misled the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and many traditionalists. 1 In a crude way he interpreted hypothetical cases superficially, mistaking them for being known people who had been saved outside the Church. He also inferred that the dogma EENS had been contradicted by Vatican Council II (Cushingite).So Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance) and Lumen Gentium 8 ( elements of sanctification and truth)referred to personally known people saved outside the Church.He was not aware of his error. Otherwise he would have announced that Vatican Council II( LG 6,LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc) did not contradict the dogma EENS as it was interpreted over the centuries.If he was aware of the error he would have concluded that Vatican Council II is not a rupture with the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.
On the website of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Richmond, N.H( Catholicism.org) there is a positive report by Brother Andre Marie MICM on Brunero Gherardini and his new book on Vatican Council II, even though the book is based on philosophical errors. These philosophical errors are accepted by Brother Andre Marie in his interpretation of Vatican Council II( invisible people are examples of salvation outside the Church and so they contradict the dogma EENS).
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Brunero Gherardini has also influenced the Franciscans of the Immaculate and has been a speaker at their conferences in the presence of Fr.Stefano Mannelli.
He is quoted by Bishop Bernard Fellay and other traditionalists.
I mention all this not for the sake of criticizing the traditionalists but to point out the specific eror which they can get rid of and which was unknown to the respected Mons.Gherardini.
Like Mons. Gherardini, the St. Benedict Centers, the SSPX and the sedevacantists have been interpreting Vatican Council II with an irrational premise ( invisible people are visible on earth saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church) and non traditional conclusion( these now visible people are exceptions to the dogma EENS and are examples of salvation outside the Church).This is now the new theology, fantasy theology based on imaginary people on earth being concrete examples of the traditional interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation.
So the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 stated 'Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member' and this was not noticed by the traditionalists.This is first class heresy based on an irrational premise.
The traditionalists now have a choice and can reject the Monsignor's interpretation.

TRADITIONALISTS NEED TO SWITCH TO VATICAN COUNCIL II FEENEYITE
From his irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II, which I call Vatican Council II ( Cushingite) they can switch to Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite).It avoids the premise and so the conclusion is the usual traditional one.
The SBC communities, the SSPX and the Catholic sedevacantists can all affirm Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) and avoid the mistake Brunero Gherardini made.
They then put themself in a position 'to ask Rome to come back to the Faith', by affirming Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) in harmony with EENS ( Feeneyite). Pre and post Vatican Council II doctrine will be in harmony with the interpretation of all magisterial documents with Feeneyism ( Catechism of the Council of Trent, Catechism of Pope Pius X, Catechism of the Catholic Church 1995 etc).
So they will be affirming magisterial documents but without the New Theology.
Not only can Rome(Vatican) be asked to come back to the Faith but even the sedevacantists who have broken away from the Church because of Vatican Council II ( Cushingite) can be asked to come back into the Church.

PRE AND POST VATICAN COUNCIL II (FEENEYITE) ECCLESIOLOGY HAS A CONTINUITY
Bishop Donald Sanborn can still offer the Tridentine Rite Mass and can affirm the old ecclesiology in line with Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite).
Bishop Sanborn has said ( see Youtube video) in a debate with Prof. Robert Fastiggi if he can be shown in Vatican Council II, a continuity between the pre and post Vatican Council II Church ( in theology and doctrine) then tomorrow he would go to the Chancery office and report to the local bishop.
Bishop Sanborn, the SSPX and the SBC have not been able to contradict what I have been writing on this blog over the years and specifically mentioning them.
I do not claim to be a theologian, but fundamentally what I have been saying is that invisible people cannot be visible exceptions to the dogma EENS in the present times.Invisible cases of the baptism of desire etc cannot be defacto and concrete exceptions to all needing to be 'card carrying members of the Church' to avoid the fires of Hell.This is something obvious. It is common sense.So the magisterium and the traditionalists were wrong to accept a new theology based on this bad philosophy.

 Vatican Council II: An Open Discussion. The volume is published by Casa Mariana Editrice, a publishing house connected to the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, and it boasts a forward by Bishop Mario Oliveri (of the Albenga and Imperia diocese) and an introduction by Archbishop Malcolm Ranjith, the former secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship, who is now the Archbishop of Colombo and Metropolitan of the Church in Sri Lanka. 2


CARDINAL RANJIT AND RATZINGER REJECTED THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS

Cardinal Malcom Ranjit told me personally in Rome that the Syllabus of Errors no more applies.Since there was known salvation outside the Church for him the dogma EENS was superseded.It was the same for Cardinal Ratzinger as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. So there was now a new ecumenism and inter-religious dialogue based on a new ecclesiology and the New Theology. The  Syllabus of Errors was contradicted for them.In 2015 the Vatican did not celebrate the 150th anniversary of the Syllabus of Errors.4.Cardinal Ranjit and Cardinal Ratzinger were in line with Gherardini.Even for Fr.Stefano Manelli F.I and the Franciscans of the Immaculate there was only Vatican Council II ( Cushingite) and all magisterial documents were being interpreted with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.
I am not a sedevacantist, and I can still say that "the Church" has not proposed for us any heresies for our belief. There is a vast area of study here concerning the criteriology for Catholic belief, one that is largely ignored by priest and layman alike, the learning of which would help us navigate these waters writes Brother Andre Marie in a comment on Catholicism. org  5

Cushingism leads to heresy. It changes the interpretation of the Nicene Creed, the dogma EENS, Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church , the Catechism of Pope Pius X etc.With a new theology new doctrines are created in the Church.-Lionel Andrades



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Vatican Council II: An Open Discussion, by Monsignor Brunero Gherardini


Repost : London tabloid claims image of Virgin once appeared at Fr. Gobbi prayer cenacle

JANUARY 9, 2016

London tabloid claims image of Virgin once appeared at Fr. Gobbi prayer cenacle

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Virgin Mary 'appears' to crowd of thousands: Incredible photo of mystery being emerges

PARANORMAL researchers are investigating a mystery photo which has been said to show the Virgin Mary appearing before an amphitheatre full of worshippers.

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The mysterious picture with the "Marian Apparition" and (inset) Father Gobbi
The remarkable image appears to show the shape of the Virgin Mary appearing towards the front of a packed crowd, as if being beamed in from a source up above.
It was taken at a mass held by a high-ranking Catholic priest who claimed to receive messages from the Madonna herself.
Yet the shape of Mary is a striking white in contrast to the yellowish light behind her.
The person who handed the image to an organisation that investigates UFOs and the paranormal has not been named, however they sent in what appears to be a photograph of the original printed picture.
The source claims the original snap was taken in 1994 during a huge Catholic mass called a cenacle given by Italian priest Father Stefano Gobbi at the Paolo Soleri Amphitheater, in Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA.
Father Gobbi, who has toured the world, was encouraged by the then Pope and was scrutinised by the church over claims of having mystical dealings with the Virgin Mary.
The source of the image gave no other information than to mysteriously say it had been given to them by a stranger - who also went unnamed unnamed.
They wrote to the investigators: "A stranger gave me this photo. My first thought was the Virgin."
The image was bizarrely sent to a team of UFO researchers, but has been logged for investigation due to the extraordinary nature of the photograph.
Express.co.uk enquires have established that Father Gobbi died aged 80 on June 29 2011, but spent more than three decades holding special mass gatherings centring around the Virgin Mary.
In his liftime he "traveled the world holding Cenacles of Prayer on every continent", according to an article on Father Gobbi by Colin Donovan, vice president for Theology, at the Global Catholic Network, on the organisations's website.

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The mysterious image in full
Express.co.uk used Photoshop to lighten the image which reveals a bigger audience
Express.co.uk used Photoshop to lighten the image which reveals a bigger audience
           
Cenacles specifically centre around Mary and refers to the gathering of the apostles around the Blessed Mother, as she is known, in the Upper Room in which the Last Supper was celebrated and in which they awaited the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. **
The gatherings began in 1972 after Father Gobbi set up the Marian Movement of Priests in 1972 while visiting the Shrine of Our Lady of Fatima in Portugal.
The movement was formed to encourage Consecration, especially of priests, Immaculate Heart of Mary and whole-hearted fidelity to the Pope.
But it also sparked some controversy by Father Gobbi's claims "to receive interior locutions from the Blessed Virgin", according to Mr Donovan.
These "messages" said to be received by him in prayer were published in his spiritual diary To the Priests, Our Lady's Beloved Sons.
According to Mr Donovan there had been some scrutiny of Father Gobbi's "claims of mysticism" high up in the Catholic Church.
He added: "In the case of alleged mysticism there is always the possibility of mental illness, fraud, vivid imagination, or even the demonic.
"It is the task of a qualified spiritual director to discern, in the first instance, the authenticity of mysticism, basing himself on his knowledge of Catholic teaching, the personality, character and prayer life of the alleged mystic and his own experience in directing others.

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The picture is said to have been taken at Paolo Soleri Amphitheater, which can seat thousands
"From the beginning Father Gobbi has been under the care of a spiritual director, one who judged his locutions to be authentic and who determined which of the messages would be published. 
"The final judgment of the alleged mysticism of the Father Gobbi rests, therefore, with the Church. 
"In his favour, however, are the opinion of his spiritual director, his own zeal to promote Consecration to the Immaculate Heart and fidelity to the Magisterium, the great numbers of lay, religious and priestly vocations strengthened, and in some cases saved, through the Marian Movement of Priests, and the good will shown him by very many members of the hierarchy, including the Pope, who has received him and encouraged him in his work on several occasions."
There was no mention in the report of Father Gobbi ever talking of an actual Marian Apparition of the Virgin Mary appearing such as is said to have happened at Fatima or Lourdes in France, which are now pilgrimage destinations.
There is a record of Father Gobbi holding a Cenacle at the Santa Fe venue in 1994, but there is no independent confirmation the new mystery image was taken there.
Express.co.uk has sent a copy of the image to the Global Catholic Network and the Marian Movement of Priests for comment and awaits responses.
• If you know anything about the picture or attended the cenacle in question contact reporter Jon Austin via jon.austin@express.co.uk.

Repost : Our Lady told Fr.Stefano Gobbi that she predicted at Fatima that Satan would enter the papacy through a Masonic pope

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 14, 2014


Our Lady told Fr.Stefano Gobbi that she predicted at Fatima that Satan would enter the papacy through a Masonic pope

The Eucharist will be compromised and Ecclesiatical Masonry will create a false worship of Jesus in a false new Catholic Church.





La bestia nera, simile a una pantera, indica la Massoneria; la bestia con due corna, simile a un agnello, indica la Massoneria infiltrata all'intero della chiesa, cioe la Massoneria ecclesiastica, che si e diffusa sopratutto fra i Membri della Gerarchia.

Questa infiltrazione massonica, all'interno della Chiesa, vi e gia stata da Me predetta in Fatima, quando vi ho annunciato che Satana si sarebbe introdotto fino al vertice della Chiesa.
Se compito della massoneria e di condurre le anime alla perdizione, portandole al culto di false divinita, lo scopo della massoneria ecclesiastica e invece quello di distruggere Cristo e la sua Chiesa, costruendo un nuovo idolo, cioe un falso Cristo ed un falsa Chiesa.(pp-738-739) La bestia simile a un agnello. Dongo(Como),13 giugno 1989. Ai Sacerdoti figli prediletti della Madonna


Translation:
The black beast like a leopard indicatesFreemasonrythe beast with two horns like a lambindicates Freemasonry infiltrated through the whole of the church, that is ecclesiastical Masonry, which has spreadespecially
among the members of the Hierarchy.

This Masonic infiltrationin the Church, was already predicted byMe in Fatima, when 
I announced to you that Satan would beintroduced upto the summit of the Church.

If the task of Masonry is to lead souls to perdition, bringing them to the worship of a false god, the purpose of Ecclesiastical Masonry is instead the destruction of Christ and his Church, building a new idolnamely a false christ and a false church.
(Translated by L.A)
  


La mia Chiesa sara scossa dal vento impetuoso dell' apostasia e della incredulita, mentre colui che si oppone a Cristo entrera nel suo interno,portando cosi a compimento lì'abominio della desolazione, che vi e state predetta dalla Divina Scrittura.
-Ti ho Voluto qui, Fatima,Portugal, 15 marzo1993. Ai Sacerdoti figli prediletti della Madonna1986,Milano.p.930
Translation:
My Church will be shaken by a mighty wind of 'apostasy and disbelief, while the one who opposes Christ will enter in its interior, thus bringing to fruition the abomination of desolation, which is mentioned by Divine Scripture. (Translation L.A)
-Lionel Andrades
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The Beast Like a Lamb : the beast with the two horns like a lamb indicates Freemasonry infiltrated into the interior of the Church, that is to say, ecclesiastical Masonry  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/09/the-beast-like-lamb-beast-with-two.html#links

Chief Exorcist Father Amorth: Padre Pio Knew The Third Secret

Chief Exorcist Father Amorth: Padre Pio Knew The Third Secret


Father Gabriele Amorth
In a recent article on the Secret of Fatima, Steve Skojec, the founder and editor of OnePeterFive, published, to my knowledge, for the first time in the English language words from Rome’s chief exorcist, Father Gabriele Amorth (d. 2016), about Padre Pio and his knowledge of the Third Secret of Fatima. They come from a newly published book written by José María Zavala, entitled The Best Kept Secret of Fatima (El Sécreto Mejor Guardado de Fátima). OnePeterFive‘s contributor, Mr. Andrew Guernsey, was very helpful in finding these quotes. Since Mr. Skojec’s own article is somewhat lengthy, many readers may not have realized the importance of this interview with Father Amorth, which was only to be published after the priest’s death. In the following, I shall quote extensively from Steve’s own post which first speaks about Father Amorth’s own conviction that the specific Consecration of Russia has not yet taken place, and then enters into the larger discussion about Fatima:
It [a piece of the Fatima puzzle] came in the form of an interview with the very famous (and now deceased) Roman exorcist, Fr. Gabriel Amorth, also conducted by José María Zavala. Fr. Amorth personally knew Saint (Padre) Pio for 26 years, and it is from this towering figure of 20th century Catholic sanctity that he claims to have learned the contents of the Third Secret of Fatima.
Fr. Amorth was interviewed by Zavala in 2011, who kept the interview secret until after the exorcist’s death, publishing it for the first time in his book about Fatima. In the interview, Fr. Amorth relates — as he has done elsewhere — that he does not believe the consecration of the world by Pope John Paul II in 1984 was sufficient to satisfy the requirements set forth by Our Lady.
“There was no such consecration then,” he [Father Amorth] says. “I witnessed the act. I was in St. Peter’s Square that Sunday afternoon, very close to the Pope; so close, I could almost touch him.”
Pressed by Zavala as to why he so forcefully believes that the consecration was not done, Fr. Amorth replied: “Very simple: John Paul II wanted to mention Russia expressly, but in the end he did not.”
Zavala pressed the issue with Fr. Amorth, saying that Sister Lucia herself (as mentioned above) had said that Heaven had accepted the consecration. He describes an incredulous reaction from Fr. Amorth. “Lucia said that…?” He asked. Zavala continues:
“Well, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone said it, in the year 2000, hiding behind a letter [escudándose en una carta] from Lucia dated November 1989, in which she stated that Heaven had admitted consecration in spite of one of the most important conditions.
“Have you seen that letter?” He asks, as if conducting a police interrogation in search of evidence.
“Never,” I say flatly.
“I do not think you’ll ever see it, because I’m convinced that Lucia did not write it.”
“How are you so sure of that?”
“Why didn’t Bertone show it when he should have, when he announced the Third Secret of Fatima? A simple photocopy of the manuscript, included in the official dossier of the Vatican, would have been sufficient to dispel any doubt. If the Vatican has always been scrupulous in providing the documentary proof that authenticated the information by Lucia on minor matters, what reason would they have to skimp on the only documentary evidence that, according to Bertone, validated a fact that without doubt was of as much importance as the consecration performed by John Paul II?
“Yes, it’s weird,” I admit.
“You really think Lucia took five years to write that the consecration had been truly accepted? And that Bertone waited no less than sixteen years to announce the validity of something so crucial as the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary?” Father Amorth’s voice sounds like dry leaves.
“It’s all very strange, in truth.” I [Zavala] nod again.
“Moreover,” he adds, “if the consecration of the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary made by Pius XII in 1942 was only partially accepted [because he did not specifically mention Russia – ed], for Jesus said that in view of it the war would only be shortened rather than finished immediately, why would He now change his mind with John Paul II, if Russia was not mentioned on this occasion?”
“It would be an incongruity, yes.”
“Rather.”
“So…?”
“I have no doubt that the consecration did not occur on the terms required by the Virgin. But we must not lose sight of what she herself wanted to tell us through Lucia: ‘In the end My Heart Immaculate will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me and it will become [come to be], [thereby] granting itself to the world a time of peace’…”
The interview digresses here from the topic of Fatima, but Zavala returns to it again later:
Forgive me for insisting on the Third Secret of Fatima: Did Padre Pio relate it, then, to the loss of faith within the Church?”
Fr. Gabriele furrows his brow and sticks out his chin. He seems very affected.
“Indeed,” he states, “One day Padre Pio said to me very sorrowfully: ‘You know, Gabriele? It is Satan who has been introduced into the bosom of the Church and within a very short time will come to rule a false Church.’”
“Oh my God! Some kind of Antichrist! When did he prophesy this to you?” I [Zavala] ask.
“It must have been about 1960, since I was already a priest then.”
“Was that why John XXIII had such a panic about publishing the Third Secret of Fatima, so that the people wouldn’t think that he was the anti-pope or whatever it was …?”
A slight but knowing smile curls the lips of Father Amorth.
Did Padre Pio say anything else to you about future catastrophes: earthquakes, floods, wars, epidemics, hunger …? Did he allude to the same plagues prophesied in the Holy Scriptures?” [asks Mr. Zavala]
Nothing of the sort mattered to him, however terrifying they proved to be, except for the great apostasy within the Church. This was the issue that really tormented him and for which he prayed and offered a great part of his suffering, crucified out of love.” [says Fr. Amorth]
The Third Secret of Fatima?”
Exactly.
“Is there any way to avoid something so terrible, Fr. Gabriele?”
There is hope, but it’s useless if it’s not accompanied by works. Let us begin by consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, let us recite the Holy Rosary, let us all do prayer and penance …”  [emphasis added]
Thus ends Steve Skojec’s own presentation of certain passages of the new Zavala book on Fatima.
Father Amorth is a witness here to what Padre Pio – whom he first met when he himself was a seventeen-year-old young man – told him directly and personally. Father Amorth states in that same interview that Padre Pio even let him sometimes read his own spiritual diary.
As we reported earlier, Father Amorth had also already stated during his lifetime that he did not believe that the Consecration of Russia has taken place (a statement which was just confirmed by Cardinal Paul Josef Cordes). In December of 2015, Father Amorth had said:
The Consecration has not yet been made. I was there on March 25 [1984] in St. Peter’s Square, I was in the front row, practically within touching distance of the Holy Father. [Pope] John Paul II wanted to consecrate Russia, but his entourage did not, fearing that the Orthodox would be antagonized, and they almost thwarted him. Therefore, when His Holiness consecrated the world on his knees, he added a sentence not included in the distributed version that instead said to consecrate “especially those nations of which you yourself have asked for their consecration.” So, indirectly, this included Russia. However, a specific consecration has not yet been made. You can always do it. Indeed, it will certainly be done…
As with other spiritual sons of Padre Pio – Dr. Ingo Dollinger and Father Luigi Villa, for example – it seems that Padre Pio is still effectively with us, working through those whom he met and guided while still on earth. It seems to be part of his legacy to help us in these difficult times. Let us then pray to Padre Pio of Pietrelcina and ask for his intercession!