Wednesday, April 4, 2012

ADL WEBSITE EXPRESSES HATE AGAINST THE SSPX BUT NOT VATICAN COUNCIL II WHICH HAS THE SAME MESSAGE AS ‘THE LEFEBVRISTS’


A few reports on the Jewish Anti Defamation League (ADL) website are critical of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) for saying Jews need to convert but these reports do not criticize Vatican Council II which also has the same message. (AG 7, NA 4).
The SSPX rejects the ADL interpretation of Vatican Council II, which really is a political position, with no supporting texts from the Council. The ADL cannot provide any references.The ADL keeps repeating that the SSPX opposes ecumenism and the ‘reforms’ of Vatican Council II. The ADL never mentions that Vatican Council II says Jews need to convert for salvation and Catholics are the new people of God (AG 7, NA 4). This is the actual SSPX message and the teaching of the Catholic Church magisterium including that of  Pope John Paul II.

Vatican Council II has the same message as ‘the Lefebvrists’ on ecumenism and inter religious dialogue.

The SSPX opposes the ADL interpretation of Vatican Council II which the Jewish Left is imposing on the Vatican with political and military threats.

Imagine the world wide political storm the SSPX could cause if they announced that they accept Vatican Council II interpreted according to Catholic Tradition and the salvation dogma.

Since, Vatican Council II affirms the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Fr. Leonard Feeney was not excommunicated for heresy and even if he was, Vatican Council II is in agreement with the literal interpretation of the dogma. While Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance, a good conscience) are not explicit, known exceptions. They do not contradict AG 7.

Assuming the Holy Office 1949 excommunicated Fr. Leonard Feeney for saying that the baptism of desire was not an exception to the dogma, then it was an objective error on their part. Also the ordinary magisterium of Pope Pius XII cannot over rule a defined dogma or Vatican Council II in accord with that dogma which has a bearing on ecumenism and relations with non Catholics. (Cantate Domino, Council of Florence).The Letter of the Holy Office instead referred to 'the dogma', the 'infallible' teaching. The dogma indicates all Jews in Boston need to convert to avoid the fires of Hell.(Cantate Domino).

Vatican Council II like Cantate Domino, also says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation (to avoid Hell) (AG 7). So for the ADL this interpretation of Vatican Council II would be anti-Semitic.

The SSPX simply says that they reject Vatican Council II (ADL version) and Jews need to convert for salvation. They maintain Catholics are the Chosen People of God, Christ is King of the Universe and His Social Reign must extend to all socialist and secular institutions now controlled by the Jewish Left and others.

The Vatican is now threatening the SSPX with excommunication if they do not accept the ADL version of Vatican Council II and the pro abortion, homosexuality,ADL -approved values for the Catholic Church.

SSPX COMMUNIQUE NEEDED

The SSPX needs to issue a public statement which says, more or less:-

‘In response to the Communiqué of the Vatican (March 16, 2012) and earlier statements of Pope Benedict XVI on Vatican Council II not being a break from Tradition, we wish to explore the possibility of accepting Vatican Council II in accord with the salvation dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. We will hold conferences at the SSPX District Superior level in which members of the Pontifical Institutions will be invited to clarify the doctrinal interpretation of Vatican Council II accepted by the SSPX and to publically know the position of the Vatican, especially with regard to ecumenism, inter religious dialogue, religious liberty and salvation.

'We hope to clarify if Vatican Council II rejects the theology of religions of the Vatican International Theological Commission.

'Catholic Novus Ordo priests in Rome have reportedly said that we do not know any non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire. So there may be nothing in Vatican Council II which opposes the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the SSPX position that all Jews and other non Catholics need to convert for salvation.

'The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is also welcome to clarify immediately or when possible the following points:-

1. We do not know any one saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience, seeds of the Word, imperfect communion, elements of sanctification etc among non Catholics ?

2. So Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance, good conscience) is not referring to an explicit exception to Ad Gentes 7 and the defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?

3. So Ad Gentes 7 and the dogma outside the Church no salvation indicate that all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation and there are no known exceptions on earth ?

4. So Vatican Council II is saying that Jews,Muslims ( and other non Christians) and Protestants and Orthodox Christians (and other non Catholics) need Catholic Faith for salvation (to avoid Hell) ?

5. Since Vatican Council II indicates that all non Catholics are oriented to Hell there cannot be a theology of religions according to Vatican Council II ?’

The SSPX could accept Vatican Council II as a continuation of Tradition with respect to the salvation dogma and the other issues of Vatican Council II could be debated later.
-Lionel Andrades

The Society of St. Pius X: Mired in Anti-Semitism

VATICAN CURIA EXPECTS SSPX TO ACCEPT HERESY AND ONE PARTICULAR INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II

Jewish Left groups claim Catholic – Jewish relations have been good since the last 43 years and the creation of Israel.

The Vatican Curia does not want the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) to accept Vatican Council II –period.They want the SSPX to rubber stamp the Jewish Left version of the Council which the Vatican itself is forced to accept.

Vatican Council II says Jews need to convert for salvation with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water-so does the SSPX.

Vatican Council II says Catholics are the Chosen people of God-so does the SSPX.

The Jewish Anti Defamation League (ADL) which tells Catholics what to believe and what is approved by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel claims Vatican Council II says Jews do not need to convert. False.There is no such text in Vatican Council II.

What the ADL means is that Nostra Aetate says we must respect the Jews and so out of respect we should not seek their conversion or speak the truth about Vatican Council II.

The ADL and the Foreign Minister of Israel have said that Vatican Council II says Jews are the Chosen People.

False. Jews were the Chosen People according to the Bible, the Chosen People are now those who have accepted the Jewish Messiah and the Church He founded. Vatican Council II says the Church is 'the new people of God.' (Nostra Aetate 4).

So which intepretation has the SSPX to accept ? The Curia would agree that there are two interpretations of Vatican Council II ?!

The SSPX agree with the second interpretation of Vatican Council II which is also supported by text from the Council. The SSPX rejects the Jewish Left version of Vatican Council II. If the Curia allowed the SSPX to accept Vatican Council II in accord with Tradition there would be a political storm and opposition from pro-Israel Jewish groups.

In the open letter to the SSPX, Mnsgr.Nicola Bux mentioned that the doctrinal issue on which there was not unity was ecumenism and inter religious dialogue. There is disunity because the Vatican Curia has changed the doctrinal teachings of the Catholic Church and are pretending that this is part of the text of Vatican Council II.  Vatican Council II is in accord with other  Church-documents and Tradition according to the text of the Council.

It is heresy to say that Jews do not need to convert. It is contrary to the Bible and the teachings of Jesus. It is contrary to the defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It contradicts  Vatican Council II (AG 7) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,846 which says all need to enter the Church as through a door, the Church is the only Ark of Noah that saves in the Flood and God wants all people to be united in the Catholic Church.

This is heresy and the Curia is also contradicting Vatican Council I, the Council of Trent and other Catechisms.

Here are the two interpretations:

Interpretation 1: Vatican Council II says non Catholics do not have to convert in general for salvation. (LG 16).

Interpretation II: Vatican Council II says non Catholics need to convert in general for salvation (Ad Gentes 7, LG 14).

Interpretation II is the traditional teaching which the SSPX also endorses.

So the SSPX accepts Vatican Council II?

If the SSPX accepts Interpretation 2 then the Vatican spokesman needs to clarify it in public.

Interpretation 1: Vatican Council II says those saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience, the seeds of the word are EXPLICIT EXCEPTIONS to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and to Ad Gentes 7 i.e all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

Interpretation 2: Vatican Council II says those saved in invincible ignorance etc are possibilities known only toGod. There are no explicit, known-to- us exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So there is no contradiction in Vatican Council II to Ad Gentes 7.
-Lionel Andrades