Friday, August 25, 2017

Archbishop Fernandes and Louie Verrechio interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise : lesson for the SSPX and possible canonical status

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From Louie Verrecchio's blog.
Tuco’s apologetic reaches ts climax as he asks rhetorically:
Is this change possible and acceptable? Can Francis accept what was taught by St. John Paul II and yet open a door that was closed?
He answers:
Yes, because an evolution in the Church’s understanding of her own doctrine and its disciplinary consequences is possible.
By way of historical examples, you’ll never guess what he cites… Vatican II!
Specifically, he points to the Church’s condemnations of religious liberty and the Council’s subsequent about face, as well as the “similar evolution [that] occurred on the issue of the possibility of salvation outside of the Catholic Church” (presumably referring, at least in part, to the Council’s claim that the heretical communities are “means of salvation” in UR 3).
On this note, Tuco is spot on.
If indeed the Church can alter her doctrine is such way as to affirm that which she has always condemned (as the conciliar text suggests), one might well imagine  that anythingis possible – even a rejection of the bi-millennial practice of the Church that is based on the very words of Christ.
If we take just one thing away from Fernandez’s 6,000+ word treatise, let it be this:
There is no divorcing the current crisis in the Church, evidenced so substantially by the heresies put forth in Amoris Laetitia, from the apostasy that entered the Church at Vatican Council II; nor can one promote the message of Fatima without paying heed to Our Lady’s warning concerning the same.
https://akacatholic.com/archbishop-tucho-fernandez-on-amoris-laetitia/

This is not true.
What Archbishop Fernandes and Louie Verrecchio say here is false.It is the result of a false inference. Vatican Council II can be interpreted with the theology of Cushingism or Feeneyism.
With Feeneyism there is no salvation outside the Church mentioned in Vatican Council II. Also UR 3 refers to a hypothetical case. So it is not an example of salvation outside the Church.
Fernandes and Verrecchio have interpreted UR 3 and other passages with Cushingism i.e hypothetical cases are assumed to be concrete and known in the present times. They are assumed to be known people saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church -when there are no such cases.
So the fault lies in the inference of Fernandes and Verrecchio and not Vatican Council II.
It is important for the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) to note this mistake. It can have an important bearing on the SSPX accepting Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) and asking for full canonical status.-Lionel Andrades



AUGUST 25, 2017

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SSPX can ask for canonical status rejecting Vatican Council II ( Cushingite) and accepting Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) : this is not important ?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/sspx-can-ask-for-canonical-status.html




AUGUST 23, 2017



Archbishop Victor Manuel Fernandes full of holes in salvation and moral theology

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/archbishop-victor-manuel-fernandes-full.html


So many useless museums, galleries with bad art could house Christian refugees in Rome


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The daily Avvenire,the Italian Bishops Conference newspaper has become a Left wing rag.There are full page photos of Enzo Bianchi ( Monastero di Bose) and now they have begum a new column with interviews of refugees who have not been given naturalized citizenship.

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There are no interviews or photos of the women who line up in a long queue from early in the morning at some of the hospitals in Rome to have an abortion.Yes abortions are done in Italy.
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There are long lines of women waiting to legally abort their babies and no one at Avvenire reports on it with a regular column.Neither do the parishes go there and pray the rosary.Pope Francis does not tell Catholics to go in front of these hospitals and pray the rosary.He visited a hospital where abortions are done in Rome( see photo) and did not condemn the abortions done there.
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There are no parish or diocesan groups outside the hospitals in Rome praying the rosary and no reports on Avvenire about this.While the newspaper supports the invasion of Italy by young non Catholic bachelors supported by Soros, Rothschild and other globalists.
Ex Catholic Avvenire is working for the new world order and one world religion  with a false image of Jesus and the Church and in which the Eucharist will lose its present Catholic understanding.It is working for the Left which is of Satan.
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CHRISTIAN REFUGEES ON THE STREETS IN ROME
For the last four days hundreds of Ethiopian and Eritian Christians with valid documents, have been sleeping on the roads and at Piazza Independenza near Termini, Rome.They were evacuated from one of the formerly vacant buildings.They do not have a place to stay and the Administration does not have a solution yet.
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There are so many useless museums in Rome. There are galleries with bad art which also have potential space for refugees, example Palazzo Venezia and Castel San Angelo.-Lionel Andrades

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/rome-hospital-insists-gynaecologists-perform-abortions-1.2988084

SSPX can ask for canonical status rejecting Vatican Council II ( Cushingite) and accepting Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) : this is not important ?

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Comment on Gloria TV:

Dr.Stuart Reiss
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If the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) interprets Vatican Council II with Feeneyism instead of Cushingism they can affirm Vatican Council II and also assure their supporters that they are not rejecting Tradition.Then they can ask for canonical status.

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Rejecting Vatican Council II ( Cushingite) and accepting Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) is the key and you think this is not important?
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If the sedevacantists Bishop Donald Sanborm, MHFM,CMRI and others , interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism instead of their present Cushingism, the Council would be traditional and there would be no need for them to remain in sedevacantism established on Vatican Council II(Cushingism). For you this is not important?
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At all Catechism and RCIA classes Vatican Council II is being interpreted with irrational Cushingism instead of rational Feeneyism as a theology.This can change.For you this is not important?
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In March 2016 in the Avvenire interview, Pope Benedict XVI said that extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) was no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century, since there was a development with Vatican Council II (Cushingite).If Pope Benedict would interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism there would be no 'development' and EENS would be like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century. The ecclesiology of the Catholic Church would be the same before and after Vatican Council II.This is not important for you ?
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The pope would then have to say that all non Catholics in 2017 need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation and there are is no known salvation outside the Church as he believed and taught all these years.This is not important?-L.A

Feeneyism: It is the old theology and philosophical reasoning which says there are no known exceptions past or present, to the dogmaextra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).There are no explicit cases to contradict the traditional interpretation of EENS.It is practical. There obviously are no known cases of the baptism of desire (BOD),baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) in 2017.So there are no practical exceptions to EENS.Neither was BOD,BOB and I.I an exception to Feeneyite EENS in 1949 when the Letter of the Holy Office was issued to the Archbishop of Boston. The cardinals made an objective mistake.Similarly mentioning BOD and I.I in Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14) relative to the traditional teaching on salvation was superfluous.
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Cushingism: It is the new theology and philosophical reasoning.It assumes there are known exceptions, past and present, to the dogma EENS, on the need for all to formally enter the Church.It assumes that the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical but objectively known.In principle hypothetical cases are objective in the present times.
eucharistandmission.blogspot.ro/…/palermo-catholi…
https://gloria.tv/article/2rnHyCkZ2UuuAZTmfPxRux78P/postings/

Every one is playing it safe and the Faith remains changed with a new theology and new doctrines

It has  been a long time since Pope Benedict XVI has not given us one of his public statements on how society has gone far from God -and in which he will not speak about the necessity of Jesus or the Church for salvation.He would not say that believing in Jesus is necessary for salvation and also being a member of the Church.Probably he doesn't believe in it himself.
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Then soon there will be another of the usual comments from Bishop Athanasius Schneider without him saying that membership in the Catholic Church is necessary for salvation and so most people,who are now not Catholics, are oriented to Hell.He interprets Vatican Council II with Cushingism.So we cannot expect much from him, He remains politically correct with the Left.Speaking this truth would probably 'not be charity'( to himself).He does not get into trouble with any one.This is his personal example for the rest of the Catholics, who any way, like him and Bishop Fellay are not proclaiming the Catholic Faith in public.
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Then Bishop Bernard Fellay is expected to soon come out with another calculated and well though public statement.He will not state that Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) is in harmony with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as it was known to Fr. Leonard Feeney and the missionaries in the 16th century.He cannot offend the Jewish Left. The liberal rabbis and their supporters will call up their pro Satan laws.
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Catholic Religious of course can proclaim the faith today.But then they would have to be willing to live like St. Vincent de Paul or St.Benedict Joseph Labra.
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A few days back on the feast or Our Lady Queen of the Universe during Mass in Italian at the church San Andrea della Fratte the young Minim priest said salvation is open to all without affirming that all need to enter the Church for salvation(Dominus Iesus 20, Vatican Council II (AG 7), Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441).He does not want to live like St.Joseph Benedict Labra nor like the original Minim priests who were mendicants like the Franciscans.
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Then the day before yesterday at the Altar of the Miracle at St. Andrea della Fratte an elderly priest said that we must not follow the letter of the Law but see the situation.. He means there is no mortal sin.He  does not preach it.He gives the Eucharist to any one who comes forward.Since since it is politically acceptable and his life and career depend upon this action.He probably doesn't believe in anything.Like Archbishop Victor Manuel Fernandes and Pope Francis there is no law but situations, to violate the law with slogans like 'conscience', 'fundamental option' etc.
They too are not proclaiming the Faith like bishops Fellay and Schneider.
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There is a report by Phil Lawler on Catholic Culture  in which he says he does not want to discuss the cause of the problem at Vatican Council.All his life he has been writing prudent pieces and staying above water?
By now he should know that Vatican Council II can be interpreted in harmony with the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
Writing about this could cost him his job with Jeff Mirus at Catholic Culture.Mirus is a liberal on Vatican Council II and EENS.Inter change the word 'liberal' with 'heretic' and 'sinner'.
Phil Lawler affirms the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS and was once to speak at the St.Benedict Center, the community of Fr. Leonard Feeney in the USA.He was warned about being Anti Semitic. So he turned down the speaking engagement even after it was publicized.
Since then he avoids being labelled by the Left and he does not affirm Vatican Council II with Feeneyism.
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Similarly Bishops Fellay and Schneider will not affirm the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX on an ecumenism of return, exclusivist salvation in the Church based on Vatican Council II(Feeneyite).Instead they will project Vatican Council II interpreted with the irrational Cushingite premise and its non traditional conclusion.
Obviously there has to be rupture with the Syllabus of Errors and the dogma EENS.
Since there is no known salvation outside the Church in reality, while like the liberals they are saying that there is known salvation.
There are no known cases of invisible for us baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I), but like the liberals , they claim that there are visible cases of BOD, BOB and I.I.
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They will not support Catholic political parties which affirm the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation.Neither will they interpret Vatican Council II and EENS with Feeneyism,which leads to the old ecclesiology upon which the Social Reign of Christ the King was proclaimed ; the outside the Church there was no known salvation- ecclesiology.Then they will complain about Vatican Council II (Cushingite) negating this proclamation on the need for Christ and his Church to be at the centre of all political legislation. Obviously if you use a false premise there will be a false conclusion.But there are no risks if you do so.
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Every one is playing it safe and the Faith remains changed with a new theology and new doctrines.-Lionel Andrades