Thursday, August 20, 2015

Fr.Stefano Manelli F.I needs to comment on the prophet of Islam and the old ecclesiology being supported by Vatican Council II

Fr.Stefano Manelli F.I could show all concerned that the old ecclesiology is supported by Vatican Council II and is not exclusive to the Traditional Latin Mass.

He could do this from the positive perspective. He could mention that Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) says all need faith and baptism, for salvation.
This means according to Vatican Council II all Hindus, Buddhists,Jews, Muslims and pagans need to convert into the Catholic Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.It means for example, the Prophet Mohammad and the members of the  Muslim religion of his time were oriented to Hell without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7, LG 14). The Quran shows that they knew about Jesus and the Church yet chose to form a new religion.According to Lumen Gentium 14  those who 'know' and do not convert are on the way to Hell.
This is the old ecclesiology but it is also post Vatican Council II teaching.
Fr.Stefano Manelli or his spokesperson could clarify this point of the Catholic Faith for those who use Vatican Council II to teach heresy and irrationality and expect him to do the same.
Vatican Council II supports the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS)  and there are no known exceptions in 2015. There are no known cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, baptism of blood - and without the baptism of water.
 Similarly there are no known exceptions of non Catholics saved in imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3) , seeds of the Word(AG 11) , a ray of that Truth(NA 2) etc -and without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.
These cases are invisible and not visible, theoretical and hypothetical and not personally or practically seen and verified in 2015.

 Similarly when AG7 and LG 14 say all need faith and baptism,this is a reference to Catholic Faith  and the baptism of water.
Protestants, Orthodox Christians, Pentecostals  and Catholics who have joined the Jehovah's Witnesses do not have Catholic Faith, needed for salvation.
So an ecumenism of return is part of the old ecclesiology supported by the text of Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14).

 Dignitatis Humane has not contradicted the  traditional teachings on religious liberty.In a state with a secular Constitution we still have the freedom to affirm AG 7, LG 14  and the dogma EENS.
So all have an obligation to join the one true Church outside of which there is no salvation.
There is no separation of Church and State  for a Catholic since all need to be Catholic, to go to Heaven and avoid Hell, according to Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14).
This is the political position of a Catholic after Vatican Council II.
 So Catholics, for example, would be opposed to the Islamic ideology and religion since for them all Muslims are oriented to Hell, without 'faith and baptism' according to Vatican Council II .
This is the post Vatican Council II ecclesiology that a Catholic holds  supported by Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) in which LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc  refer to theoretical possibilities followed by the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. This is the dogmatic EENS teachings and also that of AG 7, LG 14, Vatican Council II.
So at next month's meeting in Rome of the Superiors of the Franciscans of the Immaculate world wide, it must be asked  for permission to offer the old and new Mass with the old ecclesiology supported by Vatican Council II.
This is the positive aspect of this issue with reference to Vatican Council II.
 On the negative side the new Salesian Apostolic Commissioner of the Franciscans of the Immaculate  must stop interpreting LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc  as being known and concrete instead  of abstract and unknown in 2015. This has to be rejected as irrational and non traditional.Also assuming explicit, objective  for us LG 16, LG 8 etc as being exceptions to EENS and the old ecclesiology  - must be considered fantasy theology.How can a theology be created over non existent cases in our reality? This is the New Theology used to reject EENS, when there are no visible cases  of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire ,the baptism of blood  or the Vatican Council II 'baptisms', LG 16 etc.
This is non traditional and heretical and the Apostolic Commissioner must be informed about it.How can he expects the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate to accept all this at their meeting next month?.
-Lionel Andrades

Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate persecuted by a magisterium gone sour and doctrinally in rebellion

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Fr.Stefano Manelli F.I was always faithful tot he Magisterium. He taught his Friars to be obedient to the Magisterium. The Magisterium could not be wrong.Now ironically it is the Magisterium which is disobedient in doctrine and discipline during his life time.
The Magisterium, the teaching authority of the Church; the contemporary teaching authority of the Churchhas prohibited the Traditional  Latin Mass  because they want to get rid of the old ecclesiology associated with the Traditional  Latin Mass and for other reasons.
 They want Vatican Council II to be interpreted with LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2  being considered visible instead of invisible, personally known instead of hypothetical, nameable in individual cases instead of not known.How can abstract cases be considered concrete?.This cannot be the teaching of the Holy Spirit.
Then this irrationality is used to negate the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and the to change ecclesiology.
How can the Magisterium create  anew ecclesiology based on abstract, invisible cases.Cases known only to God are considered concrete, visible and seen in the flesh even though they are in Heaven?
The Magisterium has gone sour.
Fr.Manelli and so many priests of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate do not want  to offer the Traditional Latin Mass  with the new irrational ecclesiology , which is full of heresy and innovation.
How can the Magisterium  create a new doctrine ( the dead- saved are visible on earth who are exceptions to EENS) when the Bible warns against forming new doctrines and new teachings ?
 As lay Catholics why do we have to follow a Magisterium which cannot affirm the dogma EENS, the Syllabus of Errors and Vatican Council II without the dead man walking and visible premise?
 The Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate  should be allowed to follow the teachings of the Catholic Church. Instead the priests who are obedient to these teachings are being persecuted by the Magisterium. 
The teachings of St.Alphonsus Ligouri, St.Thomas Acquinas and St. Augustine on salvation are really - not a break with Vatican Council II.For the Magisterium they are a break with the past  since the Magisterium assumes LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 etc  refer to personally known cases in 2015. This is illogical. Yet this break with the past is compulsory teaching at the seminaries and universities of Rome.Pope Francis has sent Catholic students/seminarians who were in Fr.Stefano Manelli's seminary in Boccea, Rome, to pontifical seminaries in Rome. Here this error is taught to them. 
Pope Francis actually closed down the seminary in Boccea, where the Catholic classics and the traditional teachings were emphasised.
Instead the present Magisterium is also non traditional  on mortal sin, Hell and the Eucharist. The Eucharist is being given to Catholics in mortal sin.This contradicts Pope John Paul II's Ecclesia di Eucarestia.
 The Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate priests for three years , have been expected  to  accept all this sacrilege and  innovation . They have not been given permission to offer the Traditional Latin Mass, go on leave, or change their incardination.
All this because of the old ecclesiology associated with  extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).
The present Magisterium denies the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors.They misinterpret Vatican Council II with an irrationality so that the Council will emerge as a break with EENS and Tradition.
The present Magisterium is also a break with the pre -1949 Magisteriuim after the irrationality was approved by the Magisteriuim in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
Unknown cases of being saved with implicit desire  or martrydom were considered baptisms equivalent to the baptism of water. They were considered explicit and so exceptions to EENS. It was assumed that these cases excluded the baptism of water even though no one in 1949 knew of a single case to verify this new opinion in the Church. How can people in Heaven be considered explicit exceptions to the dogma on earth? Yet this is magisterial today!.-Lionel Andrades