Sunday, May 20, 2012

This should be the Society of St.Pius X response to Cardinal Kurt Koch and the rabbi at the Angelicum University.

This should be the Society of St.Pius X response to Cardinal Kurt Koch and the rabbi at the Angelicum University.
'If you say before entering the Catholic Church we should accept Vatican Council II we can say that we can accept the Council knowing that invincible ignorance (LG 16)  are not known to us. We reject your interpretation of Vatican Council in which you irrationally assume that invincible ignorance etc are explicit and known to us in the present time and so  are an exception to the defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also to Vatican Council (AG 7). So Vatican Council II does not clash with are position on ecumenism and other religions.'
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SATURDAY, MAY 19, 2012 
ARCHBISHOP MARCEL LEFEBVRE ACKNOWLEDGED INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND IMPLICIT DESIRE BUT DID NOT SAY THAT THEY WERE EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA: IT IS THE SSPX BISHOPS AND PRIESTS WHO ASSUME IT IS

JEWISH RABBI TO TEACH CATHOLIC SEMINARIANS AT THE ANGELICUM : SIMILAR TO THE GREGORIAN PONTIFICAL UNIVERSITY, ROME

Bishop Richard Williamson will have to say Jews do not need to convert to be granted canonical status along with other bishops.


Jack Bemporad, a Reform Judaism rabbi, is the American Director of the Interreligious Dialogue Center, at the Angelicum University, Rome he was present last Wednesday when Cardinal Kurt Koch in his pro-Israel talk mentioned the conditions for the SSPX to receive full canonical status and be given the green light by Israel and its allies.The rabbis appointment probably has the approval of the Jewish-Christian centres of Learning at Boston College and elsewhere.

Cardinal Kurt Koch, the President of the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity and relations with the Jews, Vatican stated:


'While Catholics profess that, in the end, all salvation will be accomplished through Jesus Christ, “it does not necessarily follow that the Jews are excluded from God’s salvation because they do not believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Israel and the son of God,” the cardinal said. “That the Jews are participants in God’s salvation is theologically unquestionable, but how that can be possible without confessing Christ explicitly is and remains an unfathomable divine mystery.”

'Catholics profess that, in the end, all salvation will be accomplished through Jesus Christ....’.He does not say that Jews need to convert in the present time but that at some future time unknown to him they will be saved through Jesus Christ. Note : they will be saved by Jesus Christ in their religion and will not have to convert even then too. This is also the view of Pope Benedict XVI and Cardinals Bertone, Bagnasco, Levada...

The SSPX is expected to maintain this un-Biblical teaching (John 3:5, Mk.6:16) contrary to Vatican Council II (AG 7) and other magisterial documents (Dominus Iesus 20 etc).

This is also the position of the Dominican Angelicum University, the University of St.Thomas Aquinas and also of the Rabbi who teaches Catholic seminarians there.

He added “it does not necessarily follow that the Jews are excluded from God’s salvation because they do not believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Israel and the son of God”.This completely ignores Vatican Council II.Vatican Council II indicates all Jews need to convert for salvation (AG 7) but the cardinal cannot mention this.More important even the SSPX will not be able to mention it if they want to remain in the Catholic Church.The rabbi knows this.

The Catholic Church’s relationship to Judaism as taught by the Second Vatican Council and the interpretations and developments of that teaching by subsequent popes, “are binding on a Catholic,” said the Vatican official responsible for relations with the Jews. He means it is binding on a Catholic to accept the interpretation of Vatican Council II approved by Israel and liberal rabbis and not a Vatican Council II as a continuation of Tradition.

As mentioned in  an earlier post the cardinal even believes that Jews can be saved in general in the present time without entering the Church and believing in Jesus. He throws away also the teachings of St.Thomas Aquinas besides Vatican Council II.

“All the doctrinal decisions of the church are binding on a Catholic, including the Second Vatican Council and all its texts,” Cardinal Koch said when asked if the SSPX would be expected to accept all the teachings of Vatican II. “The ‘Nostra Aetate’ declaration of the Second Vatican Council is a clear decree and is important for every Catholic,” he added.

The Cardinal does not mention Ad Gentes 7 which indicates that Jews need to convert for salvation.Neither does he mention Nostra Aetate 4 which says the Church is the new people of God. Catholics are the Chosen People of God now.Don't expect the rabbi to teach this!

Nostra Aetate does not state that Jews do not need to convert or that Jews are saved in general in their religion, or that Judaism is the ordinary means of salvation or that we know cases in the present times of Jews saved. Yet this is all irrelevant for the Cardinal and the SSPX will be expected to follow the liberal interpretation with no supportive texts from the Council, including Nostra Aetate.

The church’s theological reflection on its Jewish roots, as well as on the relationship between God’s covenant with the Jewish people and the new covenant instituted by Christ have been developed further and authoritatively by Blessed John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI, he said. In other words Jesus has made a New Covenant but Jews can be saved in general in their religion with the old covenant. SSPX will have to accept this heresy too.

The cardinal said, “The Catholic Church neither conducts nor supports any specific institutional mission work directed toward the Jews,” but that does not exclude Christians bearing witness to their faith “in an unassuming and humble manner.” Even though Jesus said 'Go out and preach the Good News... those who do not believe will be condemned', the Vatican policy he says is that the SSPX cannot go out and preach the Good News in public.They cannot preach it to the Rabbi at the Angelicum since he may file anti-Semitism charges.-Lionel Andrades

Koch’s SSPX must accept Jews do not have to convert to receive canonical status talk reported by Catholic News Service downplayed on Rorate Caeli


Comments from eucharistandmission pulled down (1) related to Koch’s Wednesday speech and CNS report.(2) Rorate Caeli now says ‘The complete text of the lecture, delivered in English, and of its Q&A follow-up session are not available at the moment’ disregards Catholic News Service report.

Even Rorate Caeli cannot carry reports on the Catholic Faith because of foreign pressure.Mentions '[Update, also for the record of events:] Jack Bemporad, a Reform Judaism rabbi, is the president of the "Interreligious Dialogue" Center at the Angelicum University and he also had some words to say regarding the decisions of Pope Benedict XVI (3)
-Lionel Andrades

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SATURDAY, MAY 19, 2012
ARCHBISHOP MARCEL LEFEBVRE ACKNOWLEDGED INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND IMPLICIT DESIRE BUT DID NOT SAY THAT THEY WERE EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA: IT IS THE SSPX BISHOPS AND PRIESTS WHO ASSUME IT IS

SATURDAY, MAY 19, 2012
KOCH: SSPX WILL HAVE TO ACCEPT JEWS DO NOT NEED TO CONVERT TO RECEIVE CANONICAL STATUS

SATURDAY, MAY 19, 2012
SSPX ENDORSES VATICAN COUNCIL II WHICH SAYS BUDDHISTS, MUSLIMS, JEWS NEED TO CONVERT FOR SALVATION: MEDIA MISINFORMED

Thursday, May 17, 2012
CARDINAL KOCH MOUTHS HERESY AT THE ANGELICUM UNIVERSITY: THROWS AWAY VATICAN COUNCIL II, BIBLE AND DOGMA

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CNS) — The Catholic Church’s relationship to Judaism as taught by the Second Vatican Council and the interpretations and developments of that teaching by subsequent popes, “are binding on a Catholic,” said the Vatican official responsible for relations with the Jews. Swiss Cardinal Kurt Koch, president of the Pontifical Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews and a member of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, spoke to reporters May 16 after delivering a speech on Catholic-Jewish relations in light of Vatican II’s declaration “Nostra Aetate” on the church’s relations with non-Christian religions.


 
The afternoon speech followed Cardinal Koch’s participation in a meeting of the doctrinal congregation to examine the latest progress in the Vatican’s reconciliation talks with the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X.

“There are questions to clarify in discussions with this community. I can’t say more than that,” he told reporters, echoing a Vatican statement saying the reconciliation talks are ongoing.

In addition to the highly publicized position of Bishop Richard Williamson, an SSPX bishop who denies the Holocaust, public statements by the society’s superior general, Bishop Bernard Fellay, leave in doubt whether the society as a whole accepts the entirety of “Nostra Aetate,” including its condemnations of anti-Semitism and of the idea that the Jews were to blame for the death of Jesus.

“All the doctrinal decisions of the church are binding on a Catholic, including the Second Vatican Council and all its texts,” Cardinal Koch said when asked if the SSPX would be expected to accept all the teachings of Vatican II. “The ‘Nostra Aetate’ declaration of the Second Vatican Council is a clear decree and is important for every Catholic,” he added.

At the same time, Cardinal Koch said, “it is very necessary to make clear the difference between the position of the Society of St. Pius X and the negation of the Shoah (the Holocaust), which is a position that has no place in the Catholic Church. It is very clear.”

Following the revelation of Bishop Williamson’s comments about the Holocaust, SSPX leaders issued a statement saying his position in no way reflected the views of the society. “I’m very happy about this,” Cardinal Koch said. “The Holy Father has spoken clearly about this position of Williamson, that it’s not possible, there is no place for deniers in the Catholic Church.”

In his speech at Rome’s Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas, Cardinal Koch said “Nostra Aetate” is “the ‘foundation document’ and the ‘Magna Carta’ of the dialogue of the Roman Catholic Church with Judaism.”

The declaration highlighted the Jewish roots of Christianity and took “an unambiguous position against every form of anti-Semitism,” he said.

The church’s theological reflection on its Jewish roots, as well as on the relationship between God’s covenant with the Jewish people and the new covenant instituted by Christ have been developed further and authoritatively by Blessed John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI, he said.

God’s plan of salvation for humanity began with his covenant with the Jewish people and if Christianity ignores that, he said, “it is in danger of losing its location within salvation history.”

Cardinal Koch said that for Pope Benedict, the key to the theological understanding of the importance of a relationship with Judaism and Jews is that the Bible is one book detailing the entire history of salvation.

While Catholics profess that, in the end, all salvation will be accomplished through Jesus Christ, “it does not necessarily follow that the Jews are excluded from God’s salvation because they do not believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Israel and the son of God,” the cardinal said. “That the Jews are participants in God’s salvation is theologically unquestionable, but how that can be possible without confessing Christ explicitly is and remains an unfathomable divine mystery.”

The cardinal said, “The Catholic Church neither conducts nor supports any specific institutional mission work directed toward the Jews,” but that does not exclude Christians bearing witness to their faith “in an unassuming and humble manner.”
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For the record: What did Koch say? [Updated]

Cardinal Koch, President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity and of the Commission of the Holy See for Religious Relations with the Jews, was the speaker of this year's John Paul II Annual Lecture, promoted by the John Paul II Center for Interreligious Dialogue, a "partnership between the Russell Berrie Foundation and the Pontifical University of St Thomas Aquinas (Angelicum)" and itself located in the Angelicum. The Angelicum was, of course, the great Thomist center in Rome, also dedicated these days to "training in the specialties of ecumenism and interreligious dialogue, developed according to the principles set out by the Second Vatican Council and the official Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms on Ecumenism of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity"... The complete text of the lecture, delivered in English, and of its Q&A follow-up session are not available at the moment, but SIR, the news agency of the Italian episcopate, made a summary of the conference available, a link we post here for the record of events. [Tip: Le Forum Catholique]

[Update, also for the record of events:] Jack Bemporad, a Reform Judaism rabbi, is the president of the above-mentioned "Interreligious Dialogue" Center and he also had some words to say regarding the decisions of Pope Benedict XVI:-from Rorate Caeli