Thursday, April 28, 2016

The mad theology

Are we really in the same Church whose teachings do not change?
National Catholic RegisterFor Cardinal Burke and Joseph Shaw doctrinally and theologically Amoris Laetitia is nothing new.There is no change in moral theology for them. They have no problem also with the new salvation theology.
Note: When a new theology is created it is based on rational constructs.It is based on a common reality, the generally accepted laws of nature.
I cannot imagine there are people on the moon ( whom I have never seen) and then create a new theology for the men on the moon and the earth.This would be absurd.
I cannot imagine or postulate that man has evolved from the monkey and is further evolving, this would be wrong. Since there is no proof for this.It could be that the monkey has devolved from man, in a deviant strain, and the 'evolutionists' are not aware of it.Any way there is no scientific proof to create a new theology assuming man has evolved from the ape.
Similarly I cannot imagine that we humans can see people in Heaven  and talk to them.Then I cannot use this premise to create a new theology.This would not be acceptable.Since in our reality we cannot see people in Heaven and we cannot talk to them in 2016.
So if a theology is created whose initial reasoning is being able to see people in Heaven in general, it would be un -real and non traditional.
Similarly I cannot postulate that all men can physically fly like birds,and then with this premise create a theology.This would be absurd.It is irrational to assume that men and women on earth can fly like birds.
It is irrational to assume that we humans in general can see people in Heaven physically.
Yet literally this is what happened in the Church.
A theology was created upon an irrationality.It is supported by Cardinal Burke and taught by Joseph Shaw.It is the theology of Pope Benedict.It is the theology of Cardinal Schonborn, who was praised by Pope Francis as being a great theologian.This is cardinals Koch and Kasper's common theology.
It is based on being able to physically see people in Heaven who are exceptions to the traditional salvation and moral theology of the Church.
Since I cannot physically see people I do not use this premise to mis- interpret traditional moral and salvation theology in the Church.
So even though the Church's teachings ideally, in theory, in principle, do not change, they are changed when this new theology, based upon an irrationality, is applied to them.
So moral and salvation theology is different for Cardinal Burke and me.
Joseph Shaw and I do not interpret the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Vatican Council II, the Nicene Creed....in the same way.
There are no known exceptions for me to the general understanding of mortal sin.I do not know of any de facto exception. If there would be an exception it would only be known to God.
Pope Francis cannot say that a particular couple who is living in manifest mortal sin according to traditional moral theology, would be an exception and would not go to Hell if they died immediately.He couldn't know. He cannot physically see or know exceptions in Heaven.
Yet his moral theology is based upon being able to see people in Heaven who are exceptions to the general rule on mortal sin.It is the same with Cardinal Burke and Joseph Shaw.
Their salvation theology is also based upon being able to see people in Heaven who are exceptions to the general teaching on exclusive salvation i.e the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So for them there are known exceptions to EENS while for me there are no known exceptions to EENS.
For them Vatican Council II is a break with EENs according to the 16 century  missionaries.This is not so for me.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider also uses this same theology based on an irrationality.However he rejects Amoris Laetitia based on the teachings of Trent, Veritatis Splendor and tradtional moral theology.
Cardinal Burke and Joseph Shaw are not rejecting AL since for them the new theology, moral and salvation, is the normal theology and it has been in use for a long time.AL is explained away with the new moral theology. So theologically there is nothing new for them and Amoria Laeitia has not directly,contradicted traditional moral theology.However implicitly it is understood that we humans can see and talk to people in Heaven in 2016.So there are known of exceptions to the traditional teaching on salvation and mortal sin.So implicitly a new doctrine has been created in faith (salvation) and morals( mortal sin).
Meanwhile no one is telling Cardinal Burke that he has changed moral theology by using an irrational premise to create an irrational, non traditional and heretical inference.So in this way doctrine has been changed in the Church.AL's 301 is based on the new heretical moral theology.
-Lionel Andrades


We cannot a create a new moral or salvation theology based on an irrationality.Pope Benedict has done this.


 
ALShred



Maike Hickson has not addressed Cardinal Burke and Joseph Shaw's accepting the theology and doctrines of Amoris Laetitia


 

 

 

 

Cardinal Raymond Burke and Prof. Joseph Shaw assume hypothetical factors or theories are explicit exceptions to the traditional de fide teaching on faith and morals.



 


This is all accepted by Fr.John Zuhlsdorf, Cardinal Raymond Burke and Joseph Shaw. They offer/ attend the Traditional Latin Mass with this official heresy

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/04/this-is-all-accepted-by-frjohn.html
 
Amoris Laetitia is based on the new doctrine in moral theology i.e known exceptions to the traditional teaching on mortal sin.
 
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Exclusivist ecclesiology?
The new theology is based on being able to see the dead. Remove the premise, which is, "I can see the dead on earth".We then have the old ecclesiology, the exclusivist ecclesiology. The ecclesiology of Vatican Council II is exclusivist. Since it affirms the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in Ad Gentes 7, which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.LG 16,LG 8,UR 3,NA 2 etc are not known exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 or the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. We are left with the old ecclesiology.

Who agrees with you?

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Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors

DEAN OF THEOLOGY AT ST. ANSELM SAYS THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martigioni
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/implicit-intention-invincible-ignorance.html#links
ioceseofvenice.org/our-bishop/bishop-frank-j-dewane/

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We cannot a create a new moral or salvation theology based on an irrationality.Pope Benedict has done this.



     Catholic World Report

Tony : LionelAndrades
It seems Lionel has misinterpretted what P.E. B XVI has said in this interview

Lionel:
Tony I am saying that we cannot a create a new moral or salvation theology based on an irrationality.Pope Benedict has done this.
Pope Benedict assumes there are known cases of people saved without faith and baptism. Then assumes, upon this premise, that there are known exceptions to the dogma EENS. This is irrational. It is a new theology based on an irrationality.
Similarly he assumes there are known exceptions to the traditional understanding of mortal sin. Then he creates a new moral theology which says that a mortal sin is not always a mortal sin.
-Lionel Andrades


http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Blog/4650/full_text_of_benedict_xvis_recent_rare_and_lengthy_interview.aspx

Maike Hickson has not addressed Cardinal Burke and Joseph Shaw's accepting the theology and doctrines of Amoris Laetitia

ALShredMaike Hickson writes,'So, here we are. We have a pope who changes the heretofore unchangeable. From all that we gather so far – and in addition to the most scandalous part about the “remarried” divorcees – there are far too many points in Amoris Laetitia that are against the continuous (i.e., irreformable) teaching of the Catholic Church to make it still worth while to try to preserve that document, much less to defend it as a whole. For example: the inversion of the ends of marriage, as described by Professor Roberto de Mattei; the undermining of the father as the head of the family; and, finally, the description of the Sacrament of Marriage as an ideal, and an unrealistic and therefore often destructive ideal...
'What about our prelates? As John-Henry Westen discussed on 25 April, many high-ranking cardinals in Rome now prefer to stay silent..
http://www.onepeterfive.com/we-do-not-need-clarifications-rescind-the-document/
 
Maike Hickson however does not comment on the statement of Cardinal Raymond Burke and Prof. Joseph Shaw  theologically and doctrinally supporting the document.
This is an important point she left out.
Even Steve Skojec is not sure of himself.He writes ,'To the average person — or the willing priest or bishop — it doesn’t matter that the exhortation didn’t change doctrine. If they’re given permission to ignore doctrine through “pastoral” justifications, they will.'.

Joseph Shaw says this is '..not as a case of a Pope teaching heresy'.There is no comment here from Maike Hickson.Nor does she comment on Shaw's statement saying 'Cardinal Burke lays great stress on interpreting Church documents in light of the whole tradition of the Church...'

The LMS Chairmans writes 'To reiterate what I've said a few times, Traditional Catholics, or at least those of us trying to engage with the hierarchy, magisterial documents, and the currently 'officially approved' theology, have become very used to this situation. '
 
Joseph Shaw  confirms here  what I have been saying for years and no one wants to comment on it while others do not understand what I am saying.Since they have been so conditioned into thinking that the magisterium cannot be wrong.Then they ask how can every body else  be wrong and only you be correct.
I have been saying that there is an error in the officially approved theology, there is  a factual error. Shaw refers to the 'officially approved theology' but he does discuss if there is an error or not. Never. Neither does Maike Hickson want to comment here on an otherwise good report.They are unaware of  what the mainstream liberal theologians have accepted all these years i.e the error .
So accept for me ( said in all humiity) there is no one identifying the error in the official theology used by Cardinal Burke, Joseph Shaw and the two popes.
How can you ask the cardinals and bishops to protest against Amoris Laeititia when AL is based on knowing exceptions to traditional moral theology, as if this is humanly possible.The error of knowing exceptions to traditional salvation theology is also common.It is mainstream and generally accepted by traditionalists and sedevacantists.
So how can they protest against AL's theology when it is also their irrational theology and they are not aware of it?
Cardinal Burke has said there is nothing contrary to Catholic doctrine in AL and Shaw has said it represents the official and mainstream theology. This is what Shaw teaches at Oxford University. John Lamont and Thomas Pink who speak at traditionalist forums, also teach this new theology in which hypothetical, subjective and theoretical cases are considered objective and personally known.
-Lionel Andrades

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'To the average person — or the willing priest or bishop — it doesn’t matter that the exhortation didn’t change doctrine. If they’re given permission to ignore doctrine through “pastoral” justifications, they will.-Steve Skojec
Lionel:
Amoris Laetitia is using the new moral theology of the Catechism of the Catholic Church which suggests that there are known exceptions to traditional moral theology( mortal sin) and salvation theology( extra ecclesiam nulla salus).
So Pope Francis, Pope Benedict and Cardinal Burke assume they are following the traditional moral teachings of the Catholic Church which you also accept in
the Catechism(1992).
So doctrine has been changed. Pope Benedict confirmed it last month in a statement given to Avvenire on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
He said there were exceptions and so EENS was no more like in the 16th century. Now we have Amoris Laetitiae which says there are exceptions to
acouple living in mortal sin ( irregular situation).He indicates the concept of
mortal sin held in the 16th century is there no more.
So why do you say there is no change in doctrine ?
Cardinal Raymond Burke ignores the new moral theology upon which Amoris Laetitia is based since he and Pope Benedict use the same irrational theology.
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Extracts from the blog LMS Chairman :Skojec and Burke on the significance of Amoris LaetitiaNational Catholic Register...not as a case of a Pope teaching heresy...- Joseph Shaw
Lionel: The new theology is heretical since it uses an irrationality to reject the old theology.The new theology,with the irrationality is used to the interpret Vatican Council II as a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
It assumes there are known exceptions to the dogma EENS.It wrongly assumes hypothetical cases are known exceptions to the exclusivist ecclesiology in the Church.
The irrationality of known exceptions is also used to change the Church's moral teaching. So there is a new moral theology based upon known exceptions to the teaching on mortal sin etc.
Pope Francis has used this moral theology in Amoris Laetitia.This is heresy.
The same new theology is used by Joseph Shaw to teach theology at Oxford University.He uses Cushingism ( there are known exceptions to EENS) to interpret the dogma EENS. He also uses Cushingism to interpret Vatican Council II.
Feeneyism ( there are no known exceptions to EENS) is an option. Joseph Shaw could interpret Vatican Council II and EENS with Feeneyism but he does not do it. Since he will lose his mandatum to teach theology.The English bishops are Cushingites.
So he will teach theology with a lie, heresy and a break with doctrine associated with the Traditional Latin Mass.
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Cardinal Burke lays great stress on interpreting Church documents in light of the whole tradition of the Church...
Lionel: Cushingism is not part of the whole Tradition of the Church. Cardinal Burke interprets Vatican Council II and the dogma EENS with Cushingism.
He also uses the moral theology of the Catechism of the Catholic Church which suggests there are known exceptions to the traditional understanding of mortal sin etc.
Amoris Laetitia is based on the new moral theology, the heretical theology.
If we omit the irrationality, the theology of AL changes.
Ask youself whom does the pope know who is living in adultery and who will still go to Heaven ? No one.
So there are no known exceptions to the traditional teaching on mortal sin, concubinage, adultery etc.
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To reiterate what I've said a few times, Traditional Catholics, or at least those of us trying to engage with the hierarchy, magisterial documents, and the currently 'officially approved' theology, have become very used to this situation.
Lionel: The currently 'officially approved' theology is Cushingism. It is heretical. It is irrational and non traditional. It is approved by Cardinal Burke.
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We are deeply interested in setting out our case in way which is comprehensible to mainstream Catholic theologians and people in the Roman Curia...
Lionel: FIUV and Joseph Shaw promote irrational Cushingism as a theology.This is the official theology.It is also the only interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS understood by Catholic theologians.
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They also include the precise theological and canonical assertions a document is and is not making, and the light shed on the issues by the Church's whole teaching and tradition.
Lionel: The present document is based on liberal moral theology approved in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1992). 
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Cushingism is not part of the whole Tradition of the Church. Cardinal Burke interprets Vatican Council II and the dogma EENS with Cushingism: Amoris Laetitia is based on the new moral theology, the heretical theology.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/04/cushingism-is-not-part-of-whole.html


 

Masonleaks -- Leak of Documents from the Grand Lodge of France

Masonleaks -- Leak of Documents from the Grand Lodge of France
(Paris) The news is startling, and yet the mass media hardly takes notice of it. The data leak was concerned this time not with the US State Department (Wikileaks) and not the Vatican (Vatileaks), but Freemasonry. There is talk of a Masonleaks. The analysis of thousands of secret documents of the lodge will likely take months to complete.
The Grand Lodge of France filed a complaint with the prosecution in Paris against unknown persons. Hackers cracked the server of the Grand Lodge and were able to gain access to membership lists and internal documents. Several thousand confidential documents of the lodges have already been published on the Internet. The data leak was made public by the weekly magazine L'Express .
The file containing the confidential boxes of papers was published for first time last April 10 on the website Stop Mensonges published. The site wrote:
"Revelations about the secret government, which determines the new world order."
It is a data volume of six gigabytes of secret documents. It's about decades of secret rituals, directories, projects, programs, statements, internal publications, membership applications, thousands of detailed CVs of neophytes who applied for initiation or of which they were granted. We have also found hundreds of criminal records, of which it is suspected not only that they are adepts, but may serve information gathering or the exertion of pressure. In addition, copies of identity documents, internal correspondence and those with other Grand Lodges around the world. The daily Le Monde was allowed to inspect the data.

Stop Mensonges - to protect the parties there is no information on the origin of the papers

The mechanics that led to the data leakage is currently unknown. The server of the Grand Lodge announced on April 4, a penetration on April 2 of its Lodge-cloud . Some of the hacked documents are dated April 2016. It's a document that the operation is very recent.
The operator of the website Stop Mensonges has lived in a villa in Las Vegas for years. His only explanation was previously that in order "to protect the people involved," he could not explain how he got to the documents. He refused an interview by the magazine Society for fear of reprisals.
In the Grand Lodge of France there seems be a mole, a lodge brother who stole the documents. Publicly, the Grand Lodge does not want to comment on the incident. It seems that it is the Internet pirates failed to gain possession of the complete list of the 34,000 members of the Grand Lodge. The names of many lodge brothers seem, however, to appear in the cracked documents.

OCLCTIC commenced investigations

As soon as the complaint was filed, the OCLCTIC leapt into action. Behind the unpronounceable acronym is concealed the Office central de lutte contre la criminalité liée aux technologies de l'information et de la communication, founded in 2000, a special branch of the police, which specializes in cybercrime.
The Grand Lodge of France is just one of eight Masonic obediences that are currently active in France. However, it is the second largest behind the Grand Orient of France . According to media reports there had been, after the discovery of data leakage, hectic contacts between the Grand Lodge and the Interior Ministry and between the Grand Lodge and the other obediences. They apparently fear similar attacks and have increased security mechanisms.
Just how sensational of data leaks and the explosiveness of all the published secret documents can not yet be estimated. These documents must first be reviewed and analyzed. It's a work that, may take years if not months to complete. "There is probably some explosive information that includes previously unknown contacts and connections with far-reaching political, economic and socio-political consequences at national and international levels. We do not yet know where to start the search," said an employee of Médias Press .

Grand Master of the Grand Orient drew from Simone Veil - "Abortion is a cornerstone of our society"

Despite the attack, the aproned brothers have, however, not been deterred from their current socio-political causes: abortion and gender ideology.
The Grand Orient of France gave, last April 8, just four days after becoming aware of the data leaks by the "brother"-obedience, the Marianne de Jacques France award to the 88 year old Simone Veil. It stresses the importance that the Grand Orient attaches to the practice of abortion. Under Simone Veil's administration as the Minister of Health, the French abortion law, the 1975 Loi Veil was decided. Grandmaster Daniel Keller personally bestowed, in the presence of Senate President Gerard Larcher, an honor to the coveted figure represented by her two sons, Jean and Pierre-François Veil who received this on her behalf. The figure will "bear witness to the solidarity and the recognition of the Grand Orient by Simone Veil, our sister from the heart".
Keller went straight to the point. He praised Veil's "republican activism," her "struggle for the emancipation of women," which was a "child of secularism". While secularism is "the linchpin of the Masonic use".
He also praised the abortion law as "a symbol of the improvement of man and society, in the Masonic work".
Keller added: "This law is a pillar of our society."
"That every day in France, hundreds of children are killed in their mothers' wombs, thus is the pillar of society, because it is wanted by the Masonic sect", says the press agency Médias Press Info .
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