Tuesday, February 5, 2019

Catholic media does not say that Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus


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Catholic media when commenting on  the "Document on Human Fraternity for World Peace and Living Together” do not mention how Vatican Council II , the Catechism of the Catholic Church and other magisterial documents affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and that there are no known exceptions.The Church teaches in these magisterial documents that there are only Catholics in Heaven.
They have not mentioned it since they do not believe in it or do not understand it, yet.
Diane Montagna
Diane Montagna at LifeSitesNews does not cite Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.She does not quote the blue passage and mention that the red passage refers to invisible and hypothetical cases and so does not contradict the blue passage.

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.

Instead she cites the red passage as if it refers to known people saved outside the Catholic Church and so contradicts the strict interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation in Ad Gentes 7 ( blue passage).
Here it is :

Vatican II allows for the possibility of extraordinary revelations to non-Christians. According to its decree on the missionary activity of the Church, “God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him” (Ad Gentes, 7). -Diane Montagna, LifeSiteNews

For her a possibility is a personally known person saved outside the Church and so it contradicts Ad Gentes 7 when it says all need faith and baptism for salvation.
For me all need faith and baptism for salvation is the norm. Ad Gentes 7 is also mentioned in the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846.
For Diane Montagna CCC 846 would be contradicted by CCC 847-848. Again possibilities are not just possibilities for her.They are actual people in 2019 saved outside the Church otherwise how could they be exceptions ? How could they be exceptions  to the traditional teaching on outside the Church there is no salvation.
This is the difference between Feeneyism and Cushingism in the interpretation of magisterial documents and especially Vatican Council II.
With Feeneyism hypothetical cases are just hypothetical. 
With Cushingism hypothetical cases are assumed to be non hypothetical and objective exceptions to the orthodox passages in Vatican Council II etc.
So the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 can be read with the Feeneyite or Cushingite model.1 Diane Montagna is a Cushingite.With Cushingism she reads Vatican Council II as a rupture with Tradition ( EENS, ecumenism of return, Syllabus of Errors etc).
Similarly for her the red would contradict the blue in the interpretation of Lumen Gentium 14, Unitatis Redintigratio 3 and Dominus Iesus 16 2
So she does not interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church with the red not being an exception to blue with reference to Islam and other religions.
If she did so then Vatican Council II (AG 7) would be saying all Muslims need faith and baptism for salvation and there are no known exceptions of the baptism of desire(LG 14) or invincible ignorance(LG 16) etc in 2019.There are no practical exceptions to exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. 
Instead she has irrationally interpreted Vatican Council II.
This could be a reason why she has not commented on the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Diocese of Manchester,USA placing prohibitions on the Brother Andre Marie MICM and the St.Benedict Center, in New Hampshire.3 The CDF wanted the SBC to say that Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS. So it could no more be said that there are only Catholics in Heaven.
So for six months there are prohibitions placed on the traditionalist community and they are legally considered  not-Catholic for Pope Francis.
-Lionel Andrades

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FEBRUARY 3, 2019


The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 can be read with the Feeneyite-Cushingite model. It can be read with the red passages not being exceptions to the blue passages ( Feeneyism) or with the red passages being exceptions to the blue passages (Cushingism). The blue passages are orthodox and support the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the Magisterium in the 16th century

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-letter-of-holy-office-1949-can-be.html




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JANUARY 28, 2019


In Magisterial documents the red is not an exception to the blue, the red does not contradict the blue : with the blue there is a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition (16th- century extra ecclesium nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return, past exclusivist ecclesiology etc)

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/in-magisterial-documents-red-is-not.html

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https://www.catholicnh.org/assets/Documents/About/FAQ/Decree-Precepts-StBenedictCtr.pdf





U.S. bishop: pro-abortion politicians ‘should not’ receive Communion in my diocese

U.S. bishop: pro-abortion politicians ‘should not’ receive Communion in my diocese

SPOKANE, Washington, February 4, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – A Catholic bishop has warned pro-abortion politicians who call themselves “Catholic” and who reside in his diocese that they “should not” present themselves to receive Holy Communion.
“Politicians who reside in the Catholic Diocese of Spokane, and who obstinately persevere in their public support for abortion, should not receive Communion without first being reconciled to Christ and the Church,” wrote Bishop Thomas Daly of Spokane, citing Canon 915 of church law (read full letter below).  
In a tweet, the bishop said that “willful murder of unborn children is a grave evil,” and called on Catholics to read his Feb. 1 letter.
According to Canon 915 of Church law: Those "who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to holy communion.” 
A spokesperson for the Spokane diocese said that Bishop Daly’s letter is not commenting directly on any politician in his diocese, but seeks to clarify that the “Catholic faith and public abortion advocacy are incompatible.” Those who publicly support access to abortion, the spokesperson said, “should refrain from receiving Holy Communion,” according to CNA.
The issue of pro-abortion politicians receiving Communion has been stirred of late ever since New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D), a Catholic, signed one of the most liberal pro-abortion laws in the country on Jan. 21. Various bishops have shown support for excommunication of Cuomo, but Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York has called such a move “not an appropriate response.”
Bishop Daly mentioned Cuomo in his letter, stating that it is “unacceptable” to call oneself Catholic and champion abortion. 
“The champion of this abortion legislation is Andrew Cuomo, a Catholic and governor of New York. Governor Cuomo frequently cites his Catholic faith in support of legislation he favors. His public witness as a Catholic politician, coupled with his stalwart support of abortion, is unacceptable,” the bishop wrote.
“Efforts to expand access to abortion, allowing murder of children up to the moment of birth is evil. Children are a gift from God, no matter the circumstances of their conception. They not only have a right to life, but we as a society have a moral obligation to protect them from harm,” he stated. 
Bishop Daly concluded his letter by calling on Christians “to turn to Our Lord in prayer for our political leaders, entrusting them especially to the intercession of St. Thomas More, a public servant who preferred to die at the hands of civil authorities rather than abandon Christ and the Church.” Finally, he wrote: “Let us also keep the unborn, as well as all pregnant mothers, in our prayers.”
The issue of withholding Communion for pro-abortion Catholic politicians has been contentious in the U.S. church. At a 2004 meeting of U.S. bishops, the now-disgraced ex-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick withheld a letter addressed to the bishops by then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (the future Pope Benedict XVI) on this issue. Titled “Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion: General Principles, the letter provided guidance to the bishops about Catholics in political life. 
The future pope wrote that pro-abortion politicians must be admonished not to present themselves for Holy Communion. When “precautionary measures” have been to no avail, and the person continues to present himself to receive the Holy Eucharist, Ratzinger wrote, "the minister of Holy Communion must refuse to distribute it."
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Bishop Daly’s Feb 1, 2019 letter:
February 1, 2019
Dear Friends,
Each January as the nation commemorates the sad anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision, marches are held, and vigils are prayed. Those committed to the cause of human rights of the unborn make their voices heard. This year, pro-abortion politicians fearing increased restrictions on abortion have advocated for and passed laws expanding access to abortion in the state of New York. Similar attempts have been made in Virginia.
Efforts to expand access to abortion, allowing murder of children up to the moment of birth is evil. Children are a gift from God, no matter the circumstances of their conception. They not only have a right to life, but we as a society have a moral obligation to protect them from harm.
The champion of this abortion legislation is Andrew Cuomo, a Catholic and governor of New York. Governor Cuomo frequently cites his Catholic faith in support of legislation he favors. His public witness as a Catholic politician, coupled with his stalwart support of abortion, is unacceptable.
Politicians who reside in the Catholic Diocese of Spokane, and who obstinately persevere in their public support for abortion, should not receive Communion without first being reconciled to Christ and the Church (cf. Canon 915; "Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion. General Principles." Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, 2004).
The Church’s commitment to the life of every human person from conception until death is firm. God alone is the author of life and for the civil government to sanction the willful murder of children is unacceptable. For a Catholic political leader to do so is scandalous.
I encourage the faithful to turn to our Lord in prayer for our political leaders, entrusting them especially to the intercession of St. Thomas More, a public servant who preferred to die at the hands of civil authorities rather than abandon Christ and thI encourage the faithful to turn to our Lord in prayer for our political leaders, entrusting them especially to the intercession of St. Thomas More, a public servant who preferred to die at the hands of civil authorities rather than abandon Christ and the Church. Let us also keep the unborn, as well as all pregnant mothers, in our prayers.
Our Lady of Guadalupe, pray for us.
Live, Jesus, in our hearts forever.
In Christ,
Most Reverend Thomas A. Daly
Bishop of Spokane
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/u.s.-bishop-pro-abortion-politicians-should-not-receive-communion-in-my-dio

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