Italian Catholic women who interpret Vatican Council II rationally are not allowed to become religious sisters, even in religioius communities in Rome which need vocations to continue.

Italian Catholic women who interpret Vatican Council II rationally and affirm the past ecclesiocentric ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) are not allowed to become religious sisters, even in religioius communities in Rome which need vocations to continue.

Young or elderly Italian women would not be given permission to enter a convent unless they interpret Vatican Council II as a ruputure with Tradition (past ecclesiology, Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX etc).

Many religious communities in Rome do not have vocations, from Italy and the rest of Europe, since the condition is : interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise and inference.This is obligatory for all.

Female vocations from abroad, now in Rome, all meet the irrational theological condition.

Young Italian women who still have the faith of their parents and grandparents, lose it ( or cannot express it) when they join a convent and begin studies at a pontifical university.Also the Catechism which they have to teach to young Communicants, is a rupture with the ecclesiology of St. Francis of Assisi, St. Catherine of Siena and the saints of Europe.Since they are forced to interpret Magisterial documents in a non traditional and even deceptive way.

There is no Church organisation to organise these rejected Sistersò.There is no organisation to help them live  as a lay community.

The Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) and sedevacantist communitiesd also interpret Vatican Council II irrationally like the rest of the Catholic Church.

Why should the present Mother Superiors legally be allowed to teach deception and so discriminate against Italian Catholic women, with a vocation, but who choose not to use the same deception to interpret Vatican Council II ? 

Could a young woman, not allowed to enter a convent, since the Mother Superior interprets Vatican Council II irrationally and deceptively, seek legal help against such a Superior ?  I would not recommend it.  -Lionel Andrades





https://www.regnumchristi.org/en/joan-kingsland-consecrated-life/
http://theleaven.org/answering-the-call-as-a-consecrated-laywoman/
https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/consecrated-women-of-regnum-christi
https://www.enmovimiento.mx/la-santa-sede-aprueba-como-sociedades-de-vida-apostolica-las-consagradas-y-los-laicos-consagrados-del-regnum-christi/
http://www.claret.org/clarettiani/famiglia-clarettiana/?lang=it

Repost : Campobasso. Padre, nonno e ora prete novello

MAY 15, 2019

Campobasso. Padre, nonno e ora prete novello

Campobasso. Padre, nonno e ora prete novello

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Rita D'Addona sabato 11 maggio 2019

Ordinato oggi dall'arcivescovo di Campobasso-Bojano Bregantini il 73enne don Nicola Pacetta dopo la vedovanza e un lungo cammino di discernimento ha scelto di diventare sacerdote

Campobasso don Nicola Pacetta accanto al suo arcivescovo Bregantini durante una recente celebrazione

Padre, nonno e da questo sabato sacerdote. È la storia del catanzarese Nicola Pacetta, classe 1946, che proprio questa sera sera è stato ordinato presbitero a Campobasso nella parrocchia di Sant’ Antonio di Padova dall’arcivescovo GianCarlo Maria Bregantini. Una storia singolare quella di questo prete novello, già padre e nonno di 6 nipotini, don Nicola entra in Seminario “Redemptoris Mater” tre anni fa.

Una vocazione matura legata alla «fedeltà di Dio che regge, che cura un cammino – ha spiegato recentemente don Nicola – che ha fatto sperimentare l’amore di Dio». La sua chiamata risale, infatti, alla giovinezza quando entrò in un Seminario francescano fino al noviziato, grazie alla fede della madre che lo ha accompagnato sin da bambino attraverso la lettura di testi spirituali e non solo tra cui a rivista di informazione e cultura religiosa “Il Messaggero” di Sant’Antonio.

Dopo il noviziato, don Nicola sceglie la strada del matrimonio, ma sempre, sorretto dall’amore di Dio. Poi Nicola ha percorso un cammino in cui l’amore coniugale si è trasformato anche in guida e testimonianza per giovani coppie. Un cammino vocazionale lungo fino alla vedovanza e alla scelta di diventare prete: durato in fondo 43 anni.

Dopo la morte della moglie, in seguito ad un male incurabile, e dopo cinque anni di missione, Nicola entra in Seminario e sceglie definitivamente di vivere alla sequela di Cristo, grazie anche alla guida dell’arcivescovo di Campobasso-Bojano Bregantini. Questo 12 maggio don Nicola Pacetta celebrerà la sua prima Messa nella parrocchia di Campolieto, in provincia di Campobasso. «La mia casa– ha confidato don Nicola – è stato un Santuario dove la fede è vissuta da tutti i componenti e dove la comunione viene vissuta dalla luce e della fede. Ai miei figli consegnerò la mia fede».

 https://www.avvenire.it/chiesa/pagine/padre-nonno-e-ora-prete-novello

Catholics are discriminated in Rome because of their religion : seventeen years in Rome and I am still waiting to be a priest.

I am not allowed to study for the priesthood at the Legion of Christ seminary/university and the Beda Pontifical College(seminary) in Rome since I do not interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise  to create a false rupture with 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).I am discriminated against because of my rational interpretation of Vatican Council II in support of traditional Catholic theology.
 
As a seminarian(2002-2003) even Propaganda Fide ,Vatican stopped my scholarship.They only give scholarships to  Catholic students who interpret the Council-text with a false premise and inference.

In 2019 I cannot ask an Italian bishop  to recommend me. Since he would want me to interpret Magisterial documents by confusing what is invisible as being visible, implicit as explicit and subjective as objective.So unknown cases of the BOD, BOB and I.I and LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II,1 would be seen as known exceptions  to Feeneyite EENS.This is objectively wrong. There are no literal cases. There are no practical exceptions to the 16th century, strict interpretation of EENS.

The Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO) confused hypothetical cases of BOD, BOB and I.I as being real people saved outside the Church and someone at the Council, referenced it in Vatican Council II.Cardinal Ratzinger referenced the mistake in the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994).

So it is only with this error that an Italian bishop can recommend me to study for ministerial priesthood.

This means I have to reject the past ecclesiology of the Church and project Vatican Council II as contradicting it,when in really the Council does not contradict it, when interpreted rationally.

It is only with this ruse will I be eligible for a Church-scholarship and be able to continue  to study to be a priest at the Beda International Seminary, for late vocations, under the bishops of England and Wales or the Legion of Christ seminary here, or any where else.
 

I am now 65 years. In 2002 I was 48 years and accepted for a scholarship by Propaganda Fide.They did not know at that time that Vatican Council II could be interpreted in harmony with traditional EENS.I was a seminarian for a month at the Legion of Christ seminary, Pontificio Collegio Internazionale Maria Mater Ecclesiae(PIMME),Rome.
 

My Spiritual Director Fr.Andrez Martinez l.c, in coordination with the Rector, Fr. Juan Duennas l.c. told me I would have to end my proclamation of EENS ( or even Dominus Iesus) if I was to continue to receive my scholarship.That was the end for me there as a seminarian at PIMME and as a student of Philosophy at  the nearby  Ateneo Pontificio Regina Apostolorum(UPRA).
 

They asked me to check at the other seminaries. I went to the Beda College along with seminarian- friends and I was accepted there by Mons. Roderick Strange, the Rector.I was there for a month. EENS was unacceptable and the professors rejected even other teachings of the Church. I was asked to look out for a place to stay in Rome.

Like me so many conservative seminarians are not allowed to study and live at pontifical seminaries and universities in Rome.The students have to officially interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechisms, irrationally, like the liberals and the Lefebvrists.

I could not do it.

Now after 17 years I am still unable to be a priest or deacon, since I interpret Magisterial documents without the common false premise, which is approved by the Left.

Catholics are discriminated in Rome because of their religion.

A 73 year old Italian grand father in the north of Italy, it was reported in Avvenire, was ordained a priest on May 11,2019.He celebrated his First Mass in the diocese of Campolieto in the province of Campobasso.Nicola Pacetta, was ordained by Archbishop GianCarlo Maria Bregantini who was born in 1949 and also was a late  vocation to ministerial priesthood. He had to accept the false interpretation of Vatican Council II and went ahead with it. 

Seventeen years in Rome and I am still waiting to be a priest.-Lionel Andrades 

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 TERMS CLARIFIED 

 BOD( Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)

BOB (Baptism of Blood. The case of unknown person who is in Heaven as a martyr without the baptism of water)

I.I (Invincible ignorance: The case of an unknown non Catholics who is in Heaven without faith and baptism and instead in invincible ignorance.)

LG 8 ( Lumen Gentium 8: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church with 'elements of sanctification and truth' or where the true Church of Christ allegedly subsists.

 LG 14 (Lumen Gentium 14:  Baptism of Desire . Case of the unknown cathechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is allegedly saved and now in Heaven)

LG 16 ( Lumen Gentium 16: The case of the unknown person saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance and who is now in Heaven without faith and the baptism of water) 

UR 3 (Unitatitis Redintigratiio 3, Vatican Council II : The case of the unknown Christian, who is saved in his religions without Catholic faith or the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and is allegedly known to someone on earth who has seen him or her in Heaven).

NA 2(  Nostra Aetate 2: The case of  the unknown non Catholic saved outside the Catholic Church without faith and baptism. He or she is saved with good and holy things in other religion or with the a ray of that Truth which enlightens all mankind.

GS 22 (Gaudium et Specs 22. The case of the unknown non Catholic who is saved outside the Catholic Church. He or she is saved without faith and baptism but with goodwill.


https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/12/repost-campobasso-padre-nonno-e-ora.html

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To reject a conservative Catholic student, who affirms EENS, Vatican Council II, all the Catechisms and the Syllabus of Errors is unfair. It is unfair to tell him that Vatican Council II, interpreted irrationally, contradicts Tradition

 I have received a response from a pontifical university. The following is my reply today morning.

Dear ...thank you for your kind response.

The issue is that there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church in 2019.

There are no literal cases in December 2019.

We cannot meet or see any one saved outside the Church with BOD, BOB and I.I.

There are no 'physical bodies' in Newton's time and space of BOD, BOB and I.I. or, LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, saved outside the Church.

So there are no practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS); or EENS as St Thomas Aquinas knew it.

So like the popes and saint I affirm BOD, BOB and I.I. I do not reject them. But for me they can only refer to hypothetical cases. They are always hypothetical and speculative, as is LG 8 etc in Vatican Council II.So please do not cite any more cases. I am with you on this point.

The examples you have provided of people saved allegedly  without the baptism of water or with only the baptism of desire  are hypothetical. They are in Heaven and in only Heaven they could be confirmed.No one on earth could have confirmed them.

Some could be declared saints but no one on earth could have see them in Heaven without the baptism of water.

They are not physically visible cases on earth to be relevant to the dogma EENS.

So when the saints mentioned EENS and BOD, BOB and I.I there was no contradiction.

We can affirm both ,BOD, BOB and I.I and LG 8, LG 14,LG 16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc.It is not either-or. So we cannot postulate them as being exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.At least for me they are not.

However from you have written and generally what is taught at the...(name of university), BOD, BOB and I.I and LG 8 etc are exceptions to the strict interpretation of EENS.They contradict EENS according to St. Thomas Aquinas or the 16th century missionaries,for you all.

It is only because they are exceptions for ALL OF YOU, that you ALL can reject the past ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and Feeneyite EENS.

For me BOD etc are not exceptions.They are always physically invisible cases. So I affirm the strict interpretation of EENS according to Aquinas and Augustine.

My theology is traditional and is based upon BOD, BOB and I.I being only hypothetical.

At the pontifical universities they use the New Theology, based upon allegedly visible and personally known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I which are alleged examples of salvation outside the Church.The Athanasius Creed( outside the Church no salvation), the Syllabus of Errors and the saints on exclusive salvation, would have become obsolete.

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So you have not denied  the point I made in those posts.

For the faculty and students of the (university), Vatican  Council II is a rupture with Thomisitic EENS. The rupture is created by assuming hypothetical cases are objective people in the present times saved outside the Church.This is un-orthodoxy to say the least.However this was the way the popes since Paul VI interpreted Vatican Council II and EENS.

So now all who seek a doctoral degree in theology at a pontifical university have to assume that there are personally known and physically visible cases referenced in LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc.

This is irrational. It is also deceptive.To  persist with this irrationality after being informed would be unethical.

Also to reject a conservative Catholic student, who affirms EENS, Vatican Council II, all the Catechisms and the Syllabus of Errors is unfair. It is unfair to tell himthat Vatican Council II, interpreted irrationally, contradicts Tradition.

In Christ with the love of Our Lady