Roberto Fiore is the leader of the Italian political party Forza Nuova who goes for Mass in Latin with his family , at the SSPX chapel in Rome.If he and the SSPX would start to interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise it would mean all non Catholics are oriented to Hell without faith and baptism(Ad Gentes 7) and there are no exceptions to AG 7 mentioned in the Council-text. But the SSPX Italy interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise and so there are exceptions to EENS.

 

Roberto Fiore is the leader of the Italian political party Forza Nuova who goes for Mass in Latin with his family , at the SSPX chapel in Rome.If he and the SSPX would start to interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise it would mean all non Catholics are oriented to Hell without faith and baptism(Ad Gentes 7) and there are no exceptions to AG 7 mentioned in the Council-text. But the SSPX Italy interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise and so there are exceptions to EENS. -Lionel Andrades

Pope Francis proclaims the kerygma without the necessity of being a member of the Catholic Church, with faith and baptism, for salvation. This is the result of interpreting Vatican Council II with the false premise.There is no more exclusive salvation for him since there are exceptions.

 Pope Francis proclaims the kerygma without the necessity of being a member of the Catholic Church, with faith and baptism, for salvation. This is the result of interpreting Vatican Council II with the false premise.There is no more exclusive salvation for him since there are exceptions. -Lionel Andrades

The editor of Catholic Faith News is one of the '50 scholars' who recently signed a petition thanking Archbishop Vigano and Bishop Schneider for their alleged 'debate' . He interpreted Vatican Council II with the false premise instead of of without it.The former editors of CFN, John Vennari and Brian McCall, did the same.There is no correction.He will continue with the same error for the rest of his life ?

 

The editor of Catholic Faith News is one of the '50 scholars' who recently signed a petition thanking Archbishop Vigano and Bishop Schneider for their alleged 'debate' . He interpreted Vatican Council II with the false premise instead of of without it.The former editors of CFN, John Vennari and Brian McCall,  did the same.There is no correction.He will continue with the same error for the rest of his life ? -Lionel Andrades

The website Whispers of Restoration and Peter Kwasniewski interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise. They don't have it in them to correct the error an issue an apology

 

The website Whispers of Restoration and Peter Kwasniewski interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise. They don't have it in them to correct the error an issue an apology. -Lionel Andrades

When non Catholic friends or relatives die there is the human and sentimental desire to spontaneously pray for them. But if Vatican Council II is interpreted without the false premise, no prayers are needed for them.

 When non Catholic friends or relatives die there is the human and sentimental desire to spontaneously pray for them. But if Vatican Council II is interpreted without the false premise, no prayers are needed for them.It's of no use. -Lionel Andrades

Cardinal Malcolm Ranjit once told me at the Propaganda Fide, Vatican office that the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX was no more relevant.He of course was using the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II. So there was a rupture with the Syllabus. If he would not interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise then the suicide bomber in Sri Lanka was outside the Church.He is in Hell today.

 

Cardinal Malcolm Ranjit once told me at the Propaganda Fide, Vatican office that the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX was no more relevant.He of course  was using the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II. So there was a rupture with the Syllabus. If he would not interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise then the suicide bomber in Sri Lanka was outside the Church.He is in Hell today.  -Lionel Andrades

The new academic year begins at the pontifical universities and seminaries.They will continue to interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise.Students will continue to learn with the error. It is the same for the secular universities.

 The new academic year begins at the pontifical universities and seminaries.They will continue to interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise.Students will continue to learn with the error. It is the same for the secular universities. -Lionel Andrades

If Fr.Hans Kung's books on Vatican Council II need to be removed from the public libraries because of the false premise what about Pope Paul Vi, Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict and Pope Francis ?

 

If Fr.Hans Kung's books on Vatican Council II need to be removed from the public libraries because of the false premise what about Pope Paul Vi, Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict and Pope Francis ? - Lionel Andrades

Pope John Paul II interpreted Vatican Council II with the false premise.So Lumen Gentium 16 was an exception to EENS. So he promoted the traditionalist/liberal division. Bishop Bernard Fellay did not know.He blamed Vatican Council II in general.He was aware of the result, the conclusion of Vatican Council II. But he did not know about the premise precisely.He blamed the Council instead of the bad premise.Neither did he interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise.

 

 

Pope John Paul II interpreted Vatican Council II with the false premise.So Lumen Gentium 16 was an exception to EENS. So he promoted the traditionalist/liberal division.

Bishop Bernard Fellay did not know.He blamed Vatican Council II in general.He was aware of the result, the conclusion of Vatican Council II. But he did not know about the premise precisely.He blamed the Council instead of the bad premise.Neither did he interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise. - Lionel Andrades

All Cardinal Ratzinger/ Pope Benedict's statements and articles on Vatican Council II were with the false premise.So there was a hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition. Now what do we do ? It's the same with Pope Francis.Andrea Torneilli still does not issue an apology.

 

All Cardinal Ratzinger/ Pope Benedict's statements and articles on Vatican Council II were with the false premise.So there was a hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition. 

Now what do we do ?

It's the same with Pope Francis.Andrea Torneilli still does not issue an apology. - Lionel Andrades

If Lumen Gentium 16 is an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) . You are using the false premise and creating the hermeneutic of rupture

 If Lumen Gentium 16 is an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) . You are using the false premise and creating the hermeneutic of rupture. -Lionel Andrades

Brother Karl is an American seminarist at the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminary in Boccea, Rome. He interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise like the other seminarians. He is forced to continue with the error if he wants to be a Catholic priest.It is the same for all seminarians today at Catholic seminaries, liberal and traditionalist.

 

Brother Karl is an American seminarist at the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminary in Boccea, Rome. He interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise like the other seminarians. He is forced to continue  with the error if he wants to be a Catholic priest.It is the same for all seminarians today at Catholic seminaries, liberal and traditionalist. -Lionel Andrades

When Fr. Settimo Manelli and Fr. Paulo Siano F.I were the Rector and Vice Rector of the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminary at Boccea, Rome they were using the false premise to interpret the Council. Pope Francis closed down the seminary. Fr. Fidenzio Volpi called them 'crypto Lefebvrists'. He did not know about the false premise.He too was using it.

When Fr. Settimo Manelli F.I and 

Fr. Paulo Siano F.I were the Rector and Vice Rector of the Franciscans of the Immaculate seminary at Boccea, Rome they were using the false premise to interpret the Council. Pope Francis closed down the seminary.

Fr. Fidenzio Volpi called them 'crypto Lefebvrists'. He did not know about the false premise.He too was using it. -Lionel Andrades

I have been saying that Archbishop Lefebvre interpreted Vatican Council II with a false premise and so created a false rupture with Tradition. There has been no denial from the SSPX or any of the Lefebvrists over the years. But none of them admit the truth.None of them state that I am correct.

 

I have been saying that Archbishop Lefebvre interpreted Vatican Council II with a false premise and so created a false rupture with Tradition. There has been no denial from the SSPX or any of the Lefebvrists over the years. But none of them admit the truth.None of them state that I am correct. - Lionel Andrades