Cardinal Vincent Nicols, the Bishops Conference of England and Wales and the Beda, English and Irish seminaries in Rome interpret the baptism of desire ( LG 14) as referring to literal and known people in the present times.In this way a break with Tradition is created.Vocations to the religious life have to accept this irrationality : Schneider and Marshall say there are no such objective cases for us human beings

 

 MAY 3, 2018

On salvation theology it is clear that doctrine has been rejected and changed officially and this is not being denied by the cardinals and yet no one comments on this.

Cardinal Vince Nicols through his silence supported the euthanasia of  Alfie Evans and will deny that he supports euthanasia. He also supports the irrational reasoning of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO) which rejects traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and he will NOT deny it.

Cardinal Vince Nicols will give the Eucharist to politicans who support abortion and he will deny that he supports abortion. Unlike the popes and saints of the past he will not consider the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) as being physically invisible cases. Instead like the liberal theologians in 1949 and then 1965 he will interpret BOD, BOB and I.I as being known people, physically visible examples of salvation outside the Church. He will not deny this.

Cardinal Vince Nicols will give the Eucharist at Mass to practising homosexuals but if it is said that he does not consider the homosexual act a mortal sin, he will deny it.But if it is said that he no more affirms the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church since visible for him BOD, BOB and I.I are objective exceptions, he will not deny it.

So Cardinal Nicols interprets Vatican Council II as a rupture with EENS since LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc refer to known people, saved outside the Catholic  Church, even when there cannot be any such known people.This is the official irrational reasoning in England, to eliminate the Syllabus of Errors on the Old Ecumenism of Return, the Old Theology based on invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I and the Old Ecclesiology which was exclusivist and ecclesiocentric.

So the Archdiocese of Westminister doctrinally has rejected the dogma EENS and so also in practise( pastorally) at interfaith meetings, catechesis for adults, Religion classes at school etc.

This will not be denied by Cardinal Nicols or Archbishop Malcolm McMahon O.P, the Archbishop of Liverpool, who overlooks Catholic education in Britain.

I repeat -Cardinal Nicols will suppport the Eucharist being given to the divorced and married and will say that doctrinally in general he is against it, like he is against euthanasia.But he will not support the Syllabus of Errors on ecumenism, other religions,exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church etc, and he does not deny this.

He does not also deny that he interprets BOD, BOB and I.I (which common sense indicates are hypothetical cases) as referring to visible people, saved outside the Church,  in the present times. So in this way, like it was for Fr. Hans Kung s.j, Fr. Karl Rahner s.j , Fr.Jacques Dupuis s.j and Fr. Joseph Ratzinger, there are objective exceptions to traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so the dogma defined by three Church Councils is rejected.

There have been so many reports on line on the importance of affirming Catholic doctrine, with reference to moral theology and in particular Amoris Laetitia and the liberal cardinals have denied that they reject doctrine.

But on salvation theology it is clear that doctrine has been rejected and changed officially  and this is not being denied by the cardinals and yet no one comments on this.

-Lionel Andrades

MAY 2, 2018

English bishops reject doctrine on salvation and pastorally implement the heresy.No denial from them : they will deny that in principle they support euthanasia or giving the Eucharist to the divorced and remarried but not on salvation theology

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/05/english-bishops-reject-doctrine-on.html

 MAY 2, 2018

English bishops are denying Church teaching on salvation in doctrine and practise  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/05/english-bishops-are-denying-church.html

MAY 1, 2018

Catholic Archdiocese of Liverpool has an anti-Catholic Alder Hey policy on ecumenism etc : they deceive with the approval of the CBCEW which is unethical and possibly illegal

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/05/the-cathollic-archdiocese-of-liverpool.html

APRIL 30, 2018

Ask the courts which condemned Alfie Evans...

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/ask-courts-which-condemned-alfie-evans.html

APRIL 30, 2018

Calling all religious communities in Britain

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/calling-all-relihious-communities-in.html

APRIL 30, 2018

Developments in England show Magisterium supports Satan

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/developments-in-england-show.html

APRIL 30, 2018

No English martyrs in Britain today

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/no-english-martyrs-in-britain-today.html

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Photos from the Beda seminary in Rome.

APRIL 1, 2018

Cardinal Nicols says that the Catholic Church does not say that any one person is in Hell. This is false http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/cardinl-nicols-says-that-catholic.html

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APRIL 8, 2018

Fr.Paul McDonald is really saying he supports an exclusivist ecclesiology with no dual conclusions, heterodox passages, no passages against EENS

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/frpaul-mcdonald-is-really-saying.html

APRIL 7, 2018

Even Vatican II says every one on the face of the earth is called to become a member of the Mystical Body ( the Catholic Church)- Fr.Paul McDonald , Fatima Center http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/even-vatican-ii-says-every-one-on-face.htm

Of course the Church says that there are people in Hell in the present times: the Catechisms and Vatican Council II support Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/04/of-course-church-says-that-there-are.html

Even Pope Benedict interprets Vatican Council II schismatically with the false premise.With this public scandal he offers Holy Mass and promotes his schismatic books on Vatican Council II, Ecclesiology

 

Even Pope Benedict interprets Vatican Council II schismatically with the false premise and with this public scandal offers Holy Mass and promotes his schismatic books on Vatican Council II, Ecclesiology etc.

For Pope Benedict extra ecclesiam nulla salus in 2021 is not the same as EENS in the 16^th century. Vatican Council II, interpreted with the false premise has made it obsolete.This is Pope Benedict’s official schism with the use of a false premise.Without the fake premise he would be a Feeneyite.

So he allowed all the bishops in the USA, the entire USCCB,to interpret Vatican Council II like Cardinal Richard Cushing i.e with the lie.

If Pope Paul VI had interpreted Vatican Council II with the rational premise in 1965,then Pope Benedict would not be able to say that EENS today is no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16^th century.There would be no room for liberalism.

The SSPX should ask Pope Benedict and Ecclesia Dei’s Archbishop Augustine de Noia for an apology.They wanted the SSPX to interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise and accept the non traditional conclusion in exchange for canonical recognition.

Pope Benedict did not tell them that there were no literal cases of LG 14 ( baptism of desire) as Bishop Athanasius Schneider mentioned in an interview with Dr. Taylor Marshall.He did not tell them that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc were all hypothetical and theoretical cases, they were not references to real people saved outside the Catholic Church in the present times.

Brother Francis Maluf one of the pioneer members of Fr. Leonard Feeney’s religious Order, Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and Superior of the Saint Benedict Center, Richmond, New Hampshire,USA met Cardinal Ratzinger in Rome.He did not tell Brother Francis that there were no literal exceptions: no practical exceptions to Feeneyite EENS, mentioned in Vatican Council II.He could have told him that Fr. Leonard Feeney was correct and the Holy Office 1949 wrong. Since there were no literal cases of the baptism of desire.

Archbishop Augustine Di Noia, Ad junct, Secretary of the CDF and formerly Vice President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, told Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior, Saint Benedict Center, New Hampshire, that he had to interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church 847-848 ( invincible ignorance) as a literal case of salvation outside the Church in the present times.He had to see it as a practical exception to Feeneyite EENS.Di Noia approved the Diocese of Manchester's  Decree of Prohibitions against the traditionalist community.

This is official schism from Pope Benedict and the CDF created with a fake premise.-Lionel Andrades

Dante and St. Faustina Kowalska were allowed to see Hell and they saw people being tortured there in their private parts of the body, which they used to commit mortal sins

Dante and St. Faustina Kowalska were allowed to see Hell and they saw people being  tortured there in their private parts of the body, which they used to commit mortal sins.

Saints over history have seen the same thing.

It can no longer be said that Hell does not exist and no one has been there.

It’s 40 years for Our Lady’s apparitions  and the young visionaries  are still alive. Vicka and Jacov were shown Hell by Our Lady.-Lionel Andrades

I affirm the Catholic Church's teachings on other religions and salvation

 

I affirm all the teachings of the Catholic Church but I only interpret Church documents with the rational premise. So there is no rupture with the past Magisterium and Catholic Tradition.

1.I affirm the first part of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which is not contradicted by the second half for me.Since the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance refer to hypothetical and theoretical cases only in 2021. They could not have been practical exceptions to Feenyite EENS in 1949. Pope Pius XII and the popes who followed made an objective mistake.The present popes continue with the mistake and expect all Catholics to follow them.So the interpretation of Vatican Council II by the College of Cardinals is also irrational and non Magisterial.

2.I affirm the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q, 29 Q) on other religions.It is not contradicted by that same Catechism mentioning those who are saved in invincible ignorance. Similarly I affirm Ad Gentes 7 ( all need faith and baptism for salvation) which is not contradicted by Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance).LG 16 is always a hypothetical case.Only God can know if someone is saved in invincible ignorance.LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 are always hypothetical.So they do not contradict the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.

3.Similarly the Vatican Council II, Decree on Ecumenism, Unitatis Redintigratio 3, is always hypothetical.So does not contradict the past ecumenism of return or the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation.

4.Similarly I affirm the Athanasius Creed which says all need Catholic faith for salvation.I do not know of any practical exception in the present times.

5.I affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and I accept hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance. I do not have to reject them.Since they can only be hypothetical, always.

6.I affirm the Catechism of the Catholic Church (846 Outside the Church No Savation) with Ad Gentes 7 saying all need faith and baptism. I do not know of any exception.There is no exception mentioned in the phrase , ' all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church'.The priority is membership in the Catholic Church, with 'faith and baptism' to avoid Hell ( for salvation).We do not separate Jesus from His Mystical Body the Catholic Church.The norm for salvation is faith and baptism.

7.Similarly I know that 'the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water'(CCC 1257) and that there are no practical exceptions.Theoretically 'God is not limited to the Sacraments', and practically all need the baptism of water and Catholic faith,always, to avoid Hell.There are no practical exceptions for the norm for salvation.

8.In the Nicene Creed, we say 'one baptism for the forgiveness of sins'. This refers to one baptism, the baptism of water, which is physically visible. I cannot administer the baptism of desire and it is not known to us human beings.So there is one baptism and not three or more known baptisms.There are no known baptisms which exclude the baptism of water.There is no literal baptism of desire, as says, Bishop Athanasius Schneider in the recent interview with Dr. Taylor Marshall.

9.So the Four Marks of the Church( one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic) must include affirming all Church documents with the rational and not irrational premise.

10.In the Apostles Creed, we say "I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church".The Holy Spirit guides the Catholic Church even today, to say that outside the Catholic Church there is no known salvation.This would be interpreting the Apostles Creed with the rational premise.Otherwise the Creed would be saying outside the Church there is known salvation.

11.Vatican Council II is dogmatic and supports traditional EENS, with LG 8, LG 16 etc not being practical exceptions in the present times.

For Pope Paul VI, Vatican Council was pastoral and not dogmatic, since he used the false premise to create a break with the dogma EENS, the Syllabus of Errors etc.If he had interpreted the Council with a rational premise then the Council would also be dogmatic in 1965.It would make Fr. John Courtney Murray sj, Fr. Joseph Ratzinger, Fr. Yves Congar op and Fr. Karl Rahner sj unable to theologicallysupport their liberalism.There would not be a New Theology.

12.Since the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance are always hypothetical, theoretical and speculative only, they do not contradict the Church's traditional ecclesiocentrism.

These are the teachings of the Catholic Church which I affirm and the priests in the parish are unable to do the same.

St. Alphonsus Liguori, father of Catholic moral theology,says that if a priest is in public mortal sin, do not go up to receive the Eucharist. Since it would be a sin against faith and charity. He is on the way to Hell and you are telling him all is well.

The priest must end the scandal.(Teologia Moralis Bk.3, N.47)

In my parish, Santa Maria di Nazareth, Casalotti, Boccea Rome  the priests have a problem with the Creeds, Catechisms and other Magisterial documents, just like Pope Francis.They are in public schism. So I do not go up to receive the Eucharist, at Holy Mass in Italian.

Pastorally, they allow this situation to continue. -Lionel Andrades

The false premise is:-

1. Invisible people are visible.

2.Unknown case of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are personally known.

3.The unknown case of the catechumen who desired the baptism of water but dies before he received it and is saved, is a personally known person.

4.There is known salvation outside the Catholic Church for us human beings.

5.We can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.

6.We can physically see non Catholics in Heaven and on earth who are saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).

7.There are non Catholics who are dead- men visible and walking  who are saved outside the Church.

8.There are known people in invincible ignorance through no fault of their own, who are saved.

9.There are some Anglicans and Protestants whom we know who are going to Heaven even though they are outside the Catholic Church.

10.There are some non Catholics whom we know, who are dead, and now are in Heaven, even though they were not Catholic.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/bradley-eli-at-church-militant-tv-uses.html

 With the false premise there are 'objective exceptions' to EENS. There are visible exceptions to the Athanasius Creed, the Nicene Creed is changed, there is a new understanding of the Nicene Creed etc :-

1. The Athanasius Creed which says outside the Church there is no salvation is contradicted.

2. The Nicene Creed in which we say, 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' over the centuries referred  to only one known baptism, the baptism of water.The baptism of desire etc cannot be given to someone like the baptism of water.But now the understanding is ' I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins ( desire,blood and ignorance) and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church'.

3. The Apostles Creed says ' we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church'. Over the centuries it was understood that the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church and taught that there was no salvation outside the Church.Now  unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, and LG 8, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, are assumd to be objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

4.In the past three Church Councils defined the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in the extraordinary Magisterium .It was an 'infallible teaching' for Pope Pius X( Letter of the Holy Offie 1949).Now it is obsolete with their being alleged known salvation outside the Church.
5.Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted with the false premise so they become a rupture with EENS( Feeneyite), the Syllabus of Errors, Athanasius Creed etc.

6.With the false premise the Catechism of Pope Pius X contradict itself. It affirms the strict interpretation of EENS while invincible invincible ignorance is intepreted as referring to personally known non Catholics saved outside the Chuch.Invincible ignorance is not seen as a hypothetical case only.

7.Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus, Ecclesia in Asia, Balamand Declaration  etc were all written upholding the false premise. They did not support exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. So in a subtle way they contradicted EENS(Feeneyite), the Athanasius Creed etc. They did not support the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.They are Christological without the traditional ecclesiocentric ecclesiology. It's Christ without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church for salvation.
8. Traditional mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church is rejected. Since with the false premise, there is salvation outside the Church.
9.Inter faith marriages which are not Sacraments are common held.It is no more adultery. Since the non Catholic spouse could be saved outside the Church it is assumed. A posibility which could only be known to God is assumed to be a practical exception to EENS and a literally known case of salvation outside the Church in a personal case.
10. There is a new heretical ecclesiology at Holy Mass in all the rites and liturgies. The Latin Mass today does not have the same exclusivist ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass of the missionaries in the 16th century.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/08/cardinal-reinhold-marx-of-munich.html

https://damselofthefaith.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church/