Tuesday, August 27, 2013

Traditional Latin Mass, the Tridentine Rite Mass still upholds Vatican Council II interpreted rationally

The questionnaire for the Franciscans of the Immaculate (1) approved by Cardinal Joao Vraz de Aviz ,the Pefect of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life (the Congregation for Religious), asks in one of the Particular Questions:

Do you think that the introduction of the Traditional Mass in the Institute is requested by Vatican Council II ?

The answer to this question should be a clear YES!
 
It should be stated that there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II (Cushingism or Feeneyism), one as a break with Tradition and the other supporting Tradition.One with the hermeneutic of continuity and the other with a hermeneutic of rupture.There can be an interpretation with the false premise or without the false premise.There can be only one rational interpretation.

When Vatican Council II is interpreted according to Feeneyism, supporting Tradition, with the hermeneutic of continuity and  without the false premise then it is rational.It does not lead to fantasy theology.
It is the Traditional Latin Mass which still holds traditional ecclesiology which is that of Vatican Council II interpreted rationally.

The ecclesiology of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life and Cardinal Joao Vraz de Aviz and the priests who offer the  Novus Ordo Mass depend on a Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally.Their interpretation is according to Cushingism, it is a break with Tradition, in particular the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors.It has the hermeneutic of rupture since it uses the false premise of being able to see the dead saved in invincible ignorance etc.This was the same error made by the Archbishop of Boston, Cardinal Richard Cushing.
 
The hermeneutic of rupture or continuity does not depend on either Mass, but on the interpretation of Vatican Council II according to Feeneyism or Cushingism, with the false premise of without it.This error of interpretation emerged in the 1940's in Boston.So the Traditional Latin Mass has not been touched by it.

The Traditional Latin Mass, the Tridentine Rite Mass still upholds Vatican Council II interpreted rationally.
 
Cardinal Joao Vraz de Aviz's version of Vatican Council II needs to be rejected.It's irrational. It's weird.It's based on a visible dead man walking theory.It contradicts the traditional ecclesiology of the Church, which is in agreement with a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II.This is a Vatican Council II in which dejure(in principle) cases of salvation are not considered  to be defacto(explicit). They are not visible to us on earth in the present times.
 
Vatican Council II has not said that the traditional Latin Mass should be discarded or that we should accept the Novus Ordo Mass in its present form.
 
However the Traditional Latin Mass like the Byzantine Greek Mass, carries with it an ecclesiology  and spirituality supported by Vatican Council II, which can have only one rational interpretation.
 
 The Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate spokesman's clarification on this issue would be helpful for many.
Questions for him:
1.Does the spokesman for the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate and the FFI Curia, accept that there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one rational and the other irrational?
2.Does the use /or omission, of a false premise (dead-saved are physically visible to us on earth) result in a hermeneutic of rupture or continuity?
-Lionel Andrades
(1)
Franciscans of the Immaculate - Intervention is interested in only one matter: the Traditional Mass

 
August 5, 2013
Impediment in the Profession of Faith of the Franciscans of the Immaculate Governor General

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/08/a-false-profession-of-faith-is-being.html#links
 
Official and Un-official teaching of the Catholic Church:Congregation for Institutes of Religious Life and Societies of Apostolic Life ,Vatican is useing the unoffical, irrational one
Since the difference between the Official and Unofficial teaching of the Catholic Church is not known the Traditional Latin Mass is still targeted
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/08/since-difference-between-official-and.html#links

Archbishop Gerhard Muller was using the false premise : here is the proof!
http://eens.forumotion.com/t56-archbishop-gerhard-muller-was-using-the-false-premise-here-is-the-proof

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith cannot fault the Society of St.Pius X for 'rejecting Vatican Council II'
http://eens.forumotion.com/t11-congregation-for-the-doctrine-of-the-faith-cannot-fault-the-society-of-stpius-x-for-rejecting-vatican-council-ii

Heresy in New Catechumenal Way Catechesis : Interprets Vatican Council II as a break with the past, also rejects the dogma on exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church
http://eens.forumotion.com/t9-heresy-in-new-catechumenal-way-catechesis-interprets-vatican-council-ii-as-a-break-with-the-past-also-rejects-the-dogma-on-exclusive-salvation-in-only-the-catholic-church
 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/08/the-traditional-interpretation-of.

Fr.Leonard Feeney's communities and Cushingism

The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, the communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney in the USA, reject Cushingism when they say there are no known (and unknown) exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. However their concept of the baptism of desire per se is Cushingism.
They interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church as a break, with the literal interpretation of the dogma on salvation. Since they are using Cushingism in their interpretation, perhaps unknowingly.

Also when they defend the dogma and deny there are known exceptions, they  use theology and not philosophy also.The baptism of desire must be followed by the baptism of water (theology). It is never said that there are no known cases of the baptism of desire, they are not visible to us (philosphy).They could also use a philosophical approach e.g subjectivity-objectivity, empiricism etc.
 
The communities cite the Church Fathers and Church Councils which is good however they could also point out that the error is due to the use of a  false premise in the interpretation of magisterial documents.They defend the dogma theologically when they could also  easily say we do not know anyone saved in invincible ignroance and the baptism of desire in the present  times. They are critical of those who support the baptism of desire , when they could clarify that implicit desire is always implicit and never explicit. When we personally cannot name any case saved with implicit desire, why go into different theologies and scenarios on a hypothetical subject known only to God?
 
Vatican Council II is criticized  on pro-St.Benedict Center Internet forums(Pascendi, EENS forum).This is a sign of Cushingism. They understand  salvation as being explicit and known to us. They are assuming that the baptism of desire is physically visible to us to be a potential exception to the dogma.They do not differentiate between implicit and explcit-for-us baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, a good cosncience(LG 16), seeds of the Word(AG 11), elements of faith and sanctification (LG 8 ), good and holy things in other religions(NA) etc.
-Lionel Andrades

In a prepared statement for the press the former Jesuit(Fr.Leonard Feeney) added: "The conscience difficulty is that the diocese of Boston, under the auspices of Archbishop Cushing, and Boston College, under the auspices of Father John J. McEloney, S.J., both notably ignorant in the field of Catholic theology ... are teaching that there is salvation outside the Catholic Church." - Father Feeney Is Dismissed From Jesuit Order by Rome (The Harvard Crimson October 29,1949) (Emphasis added)

 http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1949/10/29/father-feeney-is-dismissed-from-jesuit/