Friday, November 30, 2012

ARCHBISHOP MULLER AND HERESY


Traditionalist and progressive camps that see the Second Vatican Council as a “rupture” both espouse a “heretical interpretation” of the Council and its aims, the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has said.


Archbishop Gerhard Müller said that what Pope Benedict XVI has termed “the hermeneutic of reform, of renewal in continuity” is the “only possible interpretation according to the principles of Catholic theology”.(1)
When Archbishop Muller assumes that we can see the dead saved in invincible ignorance who are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus then Vatican Council II is a rupture with Tradition. It contrdicts the dogma on salvation and the Syllabus of Errors.

Archbishop Müller, prefect of the CDF (Photo: CNS)
Archbishop Muller told Edward Pentin of the National Catholic Register that invincible ignornance is an exception to the dogma. So for him Lumen Gentium 16(invincible ignorance) would contradict Tradition.This is heresy. He is denying a defined dogma, he claims there are known exceptions to the dogma and Tradition. He also suggests that the Council contradicts itself.
-Lionel Andrades

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http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2012/11/30/prefect-of-the-cdf-says-seeing-vatican-ii-as-a-rupture-is-heresy/

Oh, what a foolish question?!


I feel like dumbhead at times going to the Vatican offices and asking them if we can see the dead on earth.

Today morning Fr.Angelo at the Congregation for Catholic Education had that particular look of: ' What?? In general we humans cannot see the dead don't you know?! He could have lost his patience and said 'Stupid, I have more important things to do this morning'.He was glad when I was ready to go.

It's odd having to ask this question: 'Can we see the dead on earth who are saved.' And yet this is assumed in general  at the Universities and even at the CDF office.Since they are not aware of it I have to keep asking this question which seems silly.

Last night I was telling a religious Sister who was closing the Church after Mass that I had visited the Vatican office of the Congregation for the Liturgy.And that the priest said that Vatican Council II does not contradict itself nor the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus He said if  a priest was denying this in public it  was an issue for his bishop.

This elderly Sister was surprised.She asked how could a priest deny it.

So I asked her if she accepted what the priest at the Vatican Congregation office said.She said yes. She said we should all accept it.

I asked her if she accepted the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. She said yes. I asked her if she had read the dogma. She said no.

I explained the text of the dogma.

She said this was true for a time in the past 1441 and it did not apply now!!!

We now have a more profound understanding of this issue,she said, in Vatican Council II.

I kept quiet and did not say anything and let her close the Church gate.

She is the Superior of a religious community relatively comfortable, with a large convent and with many elderly Sisters.So how could she emotionally accept this teaching? It is more prudent and politically safe to say something like ,'we can see the dead saved on earth who are exceptions to...'It sounds so profound!
-Lionel Andrades

IS FEENEYISM HERESY?



This is an opinion. Something implied from reading the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. The Letter does not state Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for heresy.


The liberal media says Fr.Leonard Feeney was in heresy for denying the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance which are exceptions to his 'rigorist interpretation' of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.


1. Th secular media assumes we know cases of persons saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire, who are known exceptions.Irrational.We cannot see the dead.So these cases are irrelevant to the literal interpretation of the dogma.


2.If Fr.Leonard Feeney was in heresy then so are the Church Councils which defined the dogma, also the popes in the ordinary magisterium and numerous saints.


3.In the book The Bread of Life we read that a catechumen could have a genuine desire, an implicit desire which could lead to salvation.So in principle he acknowledges implicit desire.Whether it led to justification or salvation was another issue.He did not deny implicit desire, leading to salvation, followed with the baptism of water, in a manner known only to God.


He denied that implicit desire and being saved in invincible ignorance was an exception to the dogma. There were no exceptions.


Since implicit desire is known only to God it is not an exception to the dogmatic teaching.


So is 'Feeneyism' heresy ? No.Since Fr.Leonard Feeney affirmed the dogma.He did not deny implicit desire. He rejected any known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This was the traditional teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus for centuries.So how could Fr.Leonard Feeney be in heresy.


The Letter of the Holy Office says he was excommunicated for disobedience. The Letter mentions 'the dogma'. The text of the dogma does not cite any exceptions. -Lionel Andrades

We cannot see the dead who are saved- Congregation for Catholic Education,Vatican

There was light rain today morning and the banks along the river Tiber are not visible. The water is flowing fast and high.It was nice to visit the office of the Congregation for Catholic Education overlooking St.Peter's Square. It was warm inside.There was a view of St.Peter's Basilica from the room in which I waited briefly to meet a priest representing the Cardinal Prefect, His Eminence Zenon Grocholewski.


I introduced myself and said I had a question on the Catholic Faith with reference to Catholic Education and in particular the Pontifical Universities in Rome.

Fr.Angelo agreed with me. He said that we cannot see the dead saved. The dead are not visible to us.


I explained that since the dead saved are not visible to us Vatican Council II does not contradict itself. Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance and a good conscience) is not an exception to Ad Gentes 7 which says faith and baptism are needed for all for salvation.


He asked what had this to do with the Congregation for Catholic Education. Since we do not know these cases saved in invincible ignorance, implicit desire, seeds of the word etc these cases are not exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 and neither are they exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Yet this error is being taught in the Catholic seminaries and universities in Rome.

I mentioned cases of seminary professors at the Angelicum, Gregorian and other Universities assuming that we can see the dead saved and so these cases are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is the norm in the Catholic universities and not an exception.

Fr.Angelo said that I should take this issue to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. This issue could not be dealt with by the Congregation for Catholic Education.He would agree with me he said that we cannot see the dead .


This issue is important for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith granting canoncial status to the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX).The SSPX accepts Vatican Council II as an historical event but rejects the interpretation of the Council with the premise of being able to see the dead.Since the universities, for example, assume that being saved in invincible ignorance etc are known to us in 2012 and are exceptions to the dogma Vatican Council II emerges as irrational, non traditional and modernist.This is the version being taught at the Catholic Universities. It is this interpretation of the Council that the SSPX is rejecting.


If the universities agreed with the Congregation for  Catholic Education that we cannot see the dead saved; implicit salvation is not explicit for us, then there are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in Vatican Council II. The Council emerges  traditional and affirms the SSPX position on other religions and ecumenism.The irrational premise is removed.The SSPX would be able to accept this interpretation of the Council.The CDF needs to also acknowledge that we cannot see the dead saved.
-Lionel Andrades
Vatican Council II does not contradict itself or the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. We cannot see the dead.- Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments,Vatican