Friday, November 10, 2017

No clarification or response from Bishop Robert J.McManus or Brother Thomas Augustine MICM on Catholic doctrine : how did they interpret Vatican Council II and EENS?

The Slaves of the Immaculate have been recognized by the Catholic Church as a religious community with canonical status who follow the magisterium and can teach Catholic doctrine.But there is still no clarification on doctrine and theology from Brother Thomas Augustine MICM, Superior, St.Benedict Center, Still River, Massachusetts or the Chancellery Office at the Diocese of Worcester or Bishop Robert J. McManus, the bishop of Worcester.Posts on this blog have been e-mailed to them.

TEN QUESTIONS
Here are 10 questions I  ask them to please clarify for Catholics.What is the doctrinal teaching of the Catholic Church and what has been accepted by the MICM community ? Can one interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with the strict interpretation of the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation?
For me the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith/Holy Office 1949 in the Letter of the Holy Office made a mistake. The Letter assumed invisible for us baptism of desire(BOD), baptism, of blood(BOD) and being  saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are  visible and known exceptions to Feeneyite EENS,these being examples of salvation outside the Church.I mentioned this in a previous blog post.1
So for me Fr.Leonard Feeney was correct and the Holy Office was irrational in its philosophy and new theology.Fr. Leonard Feeney was orthodox and the Holy Office was in heresy, with its visible examples of salvation of invisible people.
1) So my question is do the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary at the St. Benedict Center,Still River and Bishop Robert J.McManus interpret invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I as referring to visible exceptions to EENS? Unknown people are known exceptions to EENS?
2) Do they acknowledge that BOD, BOB and I.I refer to unknown people in 2017? We cannot meet or see someone saved as such in 2017, would they agree ?
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In the same blog post I mentioned that Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger were wrong to excommunicate Archbishop Lefebvre.The central issue was Vatican Council II. He was correct. Vatican Council II,with LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc  mistaken as known people saved outside the Church, has to be a rupture  with the past exclusivist ecclesiology and the Syllabus of Errors.With an irrational premise there is a non traditional conclusion. Archbishop Lefebvre rejected this interpretation of the Council which was accepted by the CDF Prefect and the pope.
3.For canonical status did Brother Thomas Augustine MICM have to interpret Lumen Gentium 16 etc as referring to known and visible people saved outside the Church? 
4.For canonical status can the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary(MICM) in general,  interpret Lumen Gentium  16 etc as referring to hypothetical cases, known only to God.So being invisible and unknown in our reality, they cannot be exceptions to EENS, as it was interpreted by the missionaries in the 16th century?
5.Are the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary able to interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church in harmony with the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS? This would be EENS as the missionaries intepreted in the 16th century.
6.Can they interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church,   assuming hypothetical cases (BOD, BOB and I.I/ LG 16, LG 8, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2 etc) are simply hypothetical.They are not concrete and personally known people in our reality?
7.So all Catholic religious communities in Worcester and elsewhere,can affirm the strict interpretation of EENS along with Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church ? 
8.It would mean the International Theological Commission made a mistake when it considered 'possibilities of salvation' as being exceptions to Feeneyite EENS? Possibilities are not concrete and known people in 2017.So they cannot be exceptions to all needing to be incorporated into the Catholic Church for salvation.People who do not exist cannot be exceptions.
10. Exclusivist ecclesiocentrism—the fruit of a specific theological system or of a mistaken understanding of the phrase extra ecclesiam nulla salus—is no longer defended by Catholic theologians after the clear statements of Pius XII and Vatican Council II on the possibility of salvation for those who do not belong visibly to the Church (cf, e.g., LG 16; GS 22)...'-International Theological Commission, Christianity and the World Religions(emphasis added)
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_cti_1997_cristianesimo-religioni_en.html
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/formal-recognition-of-traditionalist.html
9.Did Bishop Bernard Fellay make a mistake in the  Letter to Friends and Benefactors no. 82  in the following passage ? LG 8 and UR 3 refer to hypothetical cases.So they cannot be relevant or exceptions to Feeneyite EENS or EENS as it was known to the missionaries in the 16th century?

The same declaration (LG, 8) also recognizes the presence of “salvific elements” in non-Catholic Christian communities. The decree on ecumenism goes even further, adding that “the Spirit of Christ does not refrain from using these churches and communities as means of salvation, which derive their efficacy from the fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church.” (UR, 3)
Such statements are irreconcilable with the dogma “No salvation outside of the Church, which was reaffirmed by a Letter of the Holy Office on August 8, 1949". - Bishop Bernard Fellay (April 13, 2014 ) Letter to Friends and Benefactors no. 82 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/formal-recognition-of-traditionalist.html
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/pope-john-paul-ii-and-cardinal-joseph.html
10.How can the dogma 'No salvation outside the Church' be reaffirmed by the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 for Bishop Fellay, when the Letter infers that invisible cases of BOD, BOB and I.I are  visible examples of salvation? This was not mentioned in the Council of Florence 1441 which defined outside the Church there is no salvation ?
-Lionel Andrades

1.

Vatican needs to apologise for the excommunication of Fr. Leonard Feeney and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/vatican-cdfecclesia-dei-needs-to.html

NOVEMBER 7, 2017


Bishop Robert J.McManus and Brother Thomas Augustine interpret Vatican Council II with the 'possibilities are exceptions' error since this was the mistake in Vatican Council II itself(LG 14 etc)

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/bishop-robert-jmcmanus-and-brother_7.html

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Modernist Archbishop Corrado Lorefice of Palermo, Italy, has threatened Father Alessandro Minutella with excommunication if he does not make a personalized public act of fidelity to Pope Francis, although Father Minutella had already professed all the truth of the Catholic Faith including loyalty of will and intellect to the Roman Pontiff.


In a video published on November 9 Minutella replies, “Does this mean that the Roman Pontiff is not the same as Pope Francis?” He adds, “This looks like a regime, not like the Catholic Church.” In March 2017 Minutella was removed from his parish because of his strenuous defense of the Catholic Faith and for criticizing Amoris Laetitia.



Marco Tosatti comments on his blog: “Father Minutella is certainly not the priest who has criticized Church decisions with a harsh tone. But others [who were Modernists] were treated with patience and tolerance. I wonder why.”



https://www.gloria.tv/article/CPKDtJchhJ9E2Lrs81jduqRCJ

Comment

rafferju1 hour ago

So then anyone who is or was critical of Amoris Laetitia and hasn't subsequently made a personalized public act of fidelity to Pope Francis would also be excommunicated. But I suppose logic isn't the strong point of those that find no fault in Amoris Laetitia.

Scomunica di Don Alessando Minutella da parte della Falsa Chiesa

https://www.gloria.tv/article/CPKDtJchhJ9E2Lrs81jduqRCJ

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