Sunday, February 21, 2016

All Catholics can do the same : interpret magisterial documents with Feeneyism


I am affirming the offical teaching of the Catholic Church, according to Church documents interpreted without the common irrational premise and inference, to achieve a non traditional conclusion.I am not saying anything new.All Catholics 
can do the same.Today all religious communities, all lay Catholics, can accept magisterial documents intepreted with Feeneyism and they would be in good standing with the Church. In the sense no one can say  that they are rejecting any Church 
document.

I interpret Vatican Council II with Feeeneyism i.e there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. For me LG 16, LG 8, NA 2, UR 3 do not refer to objective cases. They are hypothetical for me.So they cannot contradict the strict intepretation of the dogma according to Fr. Leonard Feeney.All Catholics can do the same. It is rational and traditional.

According to Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) all need faith and baptism for salvation. This is Feeneyism. Lumen Gentium (8,14,16) do not contradict AG 7. Since LG 8, LG 14 and LG 16 refer to hypothetical cases, they do not contradict the orthodox passages in Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) .They also do not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogmaextra ecclesiam nulla salus.

APOLOGISTS AND PRIESTS AGREE WITH ME
'Zero cases of something are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ' says the apologist John Martignoni.
Fr.P. Stefano Visintin OSB, Dean of the Faculty of Theology at the Pontifical University St.Anselm, Rome says all non Catholics need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation and there are no known exceptions.This is the teaching of the Catholic Church.
The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are possibilities, he said, but are not known exceptions to the traditional teaching on salvation.
So one can still follow the perennial magisterium and accept Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1992) interpreted with rational and traditional Feeneyism.Any Catholic can do it.
This means rejecting the teachings of the contemporary magisterium, which uses irrational Cushing theology, to interpret Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church etc.Their interpretation cannot be the teaching of the Holy Spirit.Since the Holy Spirit cannot teach an irrationality nor teach something new, which is a break with the old magisterium of the Catholic Church.
I assume hypothetical cases are hypothetical and not objective.So they are not relevant to the old ecclesiology as exceptions.The present magisterium assumes hypothetical cases are objectively visible. This cannot be the teaching of the Holy Spirit.It is also contradictory to common sense, a lay Catholic would notice.
Since there are no exceptions to EENS there is no change in the traditional ecclesiology of the Church.This is the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church supported by the Holy Spirit.It is magisterial according to Church magisterial documents interpreted with Feeneyism it is not magisterial according to the persons who make up today's magisterium, the Vatican Curia.
So I am affirming the official teachings of the Church according to the magisterium, according to magisterial texts and documents (Vatican Council II,Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257,845,846, Council of Trent, Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence etc) .
The Vatican Curia is a break with the traditional magisterium (interpreted with Feeneyism), they are also irrational and have based their theology on  a lie ( there are visible persons in Heaven without the baptism of water).
They are not magisterial in the sense that they can only affirm the official teachings of the Church according to magisterial texts and documents, interpretated with an irrational premise and inference (Vatican Council II, Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257,845,846, Council of Trent, Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence etc).They have to use an irrationality to interpret these magisterial documents as a break with EENS.This cannot be the teaching of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit cannot teach a lie or make an objective error.
-Lionel Andrades

Pope Paul VI offered the Novus Ordo Mass with Cushingism and the new ecclesiology



In the previous blogpost I analysed Feeneyism 1 as reported in a limited way on Wikipedia.Using that analysis we can see Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) was a Cushingite when he issued the Notification on Fr.Jacques Dupuis S.j(2001).There was one passage (6) which is Feeneyite.In general the document was not direct and clear in affirming exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. 

 NOTIFICATION ON FR.JACQUES DUPUIS S.J (2001)                 
IV.  On the orientation of all human beings to the Church
6. It must be firmly believed that the Church is sign and 
instrument of salvation for all people. It is contrary to the
 Catholic faith to consider the different religions 
of the world as ways of salvation  complementary to the
 Church.
7. According to Catholic doctrine, the followers of other
  religions are oriented to the Church and are all called
  to become part of her.- CDF Notification on Fr.Jacques Dupuis 
S.J (2001)

Cardinal Ratzinger  could not directly 
say that every one needs to be a 
formal  member of the 
Church, with 'faith and  baptism'
 because of the Cushingite 
confusion  in Gaudium et Specs 22,
 Vatican Council  II.
All this holds true not only for Christians, but for all men 
of good will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way.
 For, since Christ died for all men, and since the ultimate 
vocation of man is in fact one, and divine, we ought to 
believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner known only to 
God offers to every man the possibility of being associated
 with this paschal mystery.
- Gaudium et Specs 22, Vatican Council II.
We must note that 'all men of good
 will in whose hearts grace works
  in an unseen way' refer to 
hypothetical cases. For Cardinal
  Ratzinger however this was an 
explicit case.So he wrote in 
 the Notification on Fr.Dupuis.
III.  On the universal salvific action of the Holy Spirit
5.  The Church’s faith teaches that the Holy Spirit, working
 after the resurrection of Jesus Christ, is always the Spirit of 
Christ sent by the Father, who works in a salvific way in 
Christians as well as non-Christians. ( Gaudium et Specs 
22). It is therefore contrary to the Catholic faith to hold
 that the salvific action of the Holy Spirit extends beyond
 the one universal salvific economy of the Incarnate 
Word.(Redemptoris Missio 28-29) - CDF Notification on 
Fr.Jacques Dupuis S.J (2001)
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_
doc_20010124_dupuis_en.html

So Cardinal Ratzinger states ' the 
salvific action of the Holy Spirit extends
 beyond the one universal salvific 
economy of the Incarnate Word' in other
 words he knows of some case saved
 outside the Church, saved by the Holy
 Spirit so he mentions it here and he 
does not say all need to be formal 
members of the Church for salvation ,
with no exceptions. His position is irrational.Hypothetical cases prevent
 him from directly saying all need to 
be formal members of the Catholic 
Church to avoid Hell, and there are 
no exceptions.
So to accomodate the Cushing theology
 he states there is 'one universal salvific
 economy of the Incarnate Word' . He
 does not state all need to enter the
 Church formally for salvation.He is 
trying to accomodate the possibility of
 a non Catholic  being saved with the
 baptism of desire and in invincible 
ignorance etc and thinks this is the 
theological solution.

FR.PETER C.PHAN
Similarly the USCCB Doctrinal Committee
  Notification on Fr.Peter C.Phan was 
Cushingite. It did not say membership 
in the Church is necessary for salvation
 with no exceptions. Instead it mentions
 the exceptions ( invincible ignorance etc).
So neither was the Notification on Fr. 
Dupuis or Fr. Phan Feeneyite.
Cardinal Wuerl as the head of the USCCB
 Doctrinal Commitee was following the
 pattern set by Pope Paul VI.Fr.Leonard
 Feeney was asked to recite the Creed 
before the excommunication was lifted 
and he chose the Athanasius Creed.It
 begins and ends with a Feeneyite 
passage.It does not mention any 
exceptions, in as much as John 3:5 and
 Mark 16: 16 do not mention any 
exceptions.He refused to compromise
 with the new ecclesiology.
With Cushingism Pope Paul VI however 
was using a new ecclesiology with the
 Novus Ordo Mass.He ended the general
 practice of the Traditional Latin Mass 
and the old ecclesiology associated 
with 'the Mass of the centuries'.
Fr.Leonard Feeney offered the Traditional
 Latin Mass with the concepts of the old 
ecclesiology based on Feeneyite extra 
ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) while the 
rest of the Church was now accepting 
Cushingism, a major new theology.
Fr.Leonard Feeney remained a Catholic
 in good standing with the Church since
 he could accept all magisterial 
documents including Vatican Council II,
 intepreted with Feeneyism.He would 
have had to accept the first part of the 
Letter of the Holy Office 1949, which
 supported him, and correct the second 
part.The first part is Feeneyite and the 
second part is Cushingite.
He could accept all magisterial
 documents knowing all hypothetical
 references to salvation are hypothetical
 and not explicit.
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Today all religious communities, all lay 
Catholics, can accept magisterial 
documents intepreted with Feeneyism 
and they would be in good standing with 
the Church. In the sense no one can say
 that they are rejecting any Church 
document.

ERROR IN VATICAN COUNCIL II
Remember it was an error in Vatican 
Council II when Lumen Gentium 14 mentions
 those 'who know' and who need to enter
 the Church to avoid Hell.2 It was saying 
as if in general or particular, we humans 
know of invincible ignorance cases, who
 will be saved without the baptism of
 water in the Catholic Church. Yet this 
is not an obstacle to affirming the
 traditional teaching on exclusive 
salvation in the Church.Since we simply
 clear the confusion by noting that this
 is a reference to a hypothetical case 
and we do not, and cannot know, who 
knows or does not know and will be
 saved.So this passage is irrelevant to
 the strict interpretation of the dogma
 EENS.It is not an exception.
So we can affirm Lumen Gentium 14 and 
the rest of Vatican Council II using the
 Feeneyite reasoning i.e there are no 
explicit exceptions to the dogma EENS,
 there are no known cases of non Catholics
 saved outside the Church, there is no physically
 visible case of someone saved in Heaven 
with the baptism of desire, blood or in 
invincible, with or without the baptism 
of water.


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This is all rational and traditional and 
can be adopted by any religious community
 or lay Catholic. It is magisterial.It is 
affirming Vatican Council II and the
 Catechism of the Catholic Church 
(1995) with Feeneyism and rejecting 
a Cushingite interpretation of these 
Church-documents.
If there is any religious community in 
Rome willing to interpret all magisterial
 documents with Feeneyism, please let 
me know.I would like to be part of your 
community in some way. I am single 
with no family attachments.
-Lionel Andrades


1.
Feeneyism according to Wikipedia : with 
comments
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/feeneyism-according-to-wikipedia-with.html

2.
SUPERFLOUS PASSAGES IN LG 14 : THE ERROR
IN VATICAN COUNCIL II
14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly 
to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture
 and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning 
on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, 
present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the
 one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit
 terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and 
baptism and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the 
Church, for through baptism as through a door men 
enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing
 that the Catholic Church was made necessary
 by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, 
could not be saved....
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, 
seek with explicit intention to be incorporated
 into the Church are by that very intention joined
 with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church
 already embraces them as her own.
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