The Latin Mass offered at the
Paris-Chartres pilgrimage was in a sense not apostolic and magisterial since
the Creeds, Councils, Catechisms and Vatican Council II were interpreted
irrationally and not rationally. If they were interpreted rationally they would
be magisterial and apostolic. There would be continuity with the Church
Fathers.
Archbishop Thomas E. Gullickson in
response to my question on this blog has said that there are no known cases of
the baptism of desire(BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance (I.I) visible for us.So BOD and I.I could not be objective exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
(EENS) according to the Church Councils. So the BOD and I.I does not contradict
Feeneyite EENS.
But the archbishop offered the Mass at
Chartres along with the local bishop and the youth present did not know
that if they interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican
Council II as being only hypothetical, then the Council has no exceptions for Ad
Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 which say that all need faith and baptism for
salvation. All. LG 14 is cited in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (846)
under the title Outside the Church No Salvation.
DETROIT LATIN MASS
Archbishop Gullickson offers the
Latin Mass in Detroit where they interpret Magisterial Documents (Creeds,
Councils and Catechisms etc) irrationally and so heretically and
schismatically.If at the Detroit Latin Mass they interpreted Vatican Council II rationally they would be affirming Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus.At the Sacred Heart Major seminary, Detroit, Ralph Martin, Robert Fastiggi and the rest of the faculty, are still being forced to see Vatican Council II with the obsolete lens of Karl Rahner sj, Yves Congar, Joseph Ratzinger.They did not interpret the Council rationally.
SAN RAFAEL SEMINARY ARGENTINE
At Detroit and Chartres Archbishop Gullickson interpeted Vatican Council II irrationally, so he did not correct Pope Francis, who, in the name of the Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally, closed down the Mary Mother of God seminary in San Rafael, Argentine.The former Nuncio did not tell Pope Francis that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, Gs 22 etc in Vatican Council II were not references to physically visible cases.So they were not exceptions for the past ecclesiocentrism.He did not tell the pope to interpret the Council rationally i.e LG 8, 14, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, are only theoretical and speculative. So LG 8 etc must not be projected as objective exceptions for the Athanasius Creed, which says all must be Catholic for salvation.
CHARLES MOREROD OP AND LUIZ LADARIA SJ
He also did not correct Bishop Charles Morerod op, the former Rector of the University of St.Thomas Aquinas, Rome, who was made a bishop in Switzerland . The priests Morerod and Ladaria, were officials of the International Theological Commission.Their invisible- people- are- visible mistake was incorporated in two theological papers of the ITC with the approval of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.
So may be Archbishop Gullickson did not know that the ecclesiology of the Latin Mass at Chartres and Detroit could be the same as that of the Latin Mass in the 16th century, if in Vatican Council II LG 8, 14 and 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc were interpreted rationally.Even the ecclesiology of the Novus Ordo Mass would be the same as that of the Latin Mass in the Middle Ages.
BISHOP ROLAND MINNERATH
So when Bishop Roland Minnerath closed down the FSSP in Dijon, France, he was interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally.No one objected.They could have said that there are two interpretations of Vatican Council II, rational and irrational. The conclusion depends upon how LG 14 (BOD), LG 16 ( I.I) etc,are interpreted.Minnerath and the FSSP are both making the same mistake.
BISHOP DOMINQUE REY
Vatican Council II can only be interpreted ratiOnally and ethically. So there is no more any new theology to support the liberalism in the Church.This is still not known to Don Alcuin Reid and Bishop Dominque Rey in Frejus-Toulon, France.
NOT APOSTOLIC AND MAGISTERIAL
Even Cardinal Raymond Burke and Fr. John Zuhlsdorf are not apostolic and magisterial when they offer the Latin Mass at the FSSP church in Rome.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall have said that there are no literal and explicit cases of St. Thomas Aquinas' implicit baptism of desire. Yet they will not state that there are no explicit cases of implicit LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc.
They allowed an Auxiliary bishop in Rome to transfer traditionalist priests in Ferrara-Commacchio, Italy.Those young priests were expected to interpret Vatican Council II irrationally like Massimo Faggioli, who had his formation in Ferrara, Masonic territory.Even today Schneider and Marshall do not comment on the irrational interpretation of cardinals Grech and Hollerich at the Synod.
FRANCISCANS OF THE IMMACULATE BEING FORCED TO INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II IRRATIONALLY
The Terra Santa seminary of the Franciscans of the Immaculate at Boccea, Rome is still closed because Catholic youth at Chartres and the rest of the world, do not know that Pope Francis interpreted Vatican Council II irrationally and he wanted the FFI to do the same.They correctly refused to interpret and accept the Council dishonestly. So it is closed since 2013.
Archbishop Thomas E Gullickson has to explain things to them.He also has to clarify when the Latin Mass is apostolic and magisterial. -Lionel Andrades
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2023/06/paris-chartres-pilgrimage.html
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DECEMBER 17, 2020
According to Archbishop Thomas Gullickson there are no cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance in our reality and so they are not objective exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The Amercian Archbishop is not using the false premise
According to Archbishop Thomas Gullickson there are no cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance in our reality and so they are not objective exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The Amercian Archbishop is not using the false premise. - Lionel Andrades
NOVEMBER 19, 2012
Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson has said that the Society of St.Pius X must know that adherence to Vatican Council II and the Catechism does not put them at odds with Tradition.
-Lionel AndradesDear Archbishop Thomas E. GullicksonThank you for your answer!We have two interpretations of Vatican Council II.A. We do not know in the year 2012 any one saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, a good conscience, seeds of the word, imperfect communtion with the Church etc and Vatican Council II does not contradict Tradition.B.We do know in the year 2012 persons saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desie, a good conscience, seeds of the word, imperfect communtion with the Church etc and Vatican Council II does contradict Tradition.B is obviously irrational, since we cannot see the deaceased on earth.It is also non traditional.So the SSPX could choose interpretation A which is in keeping with their position on other religions ?When they say they want to continue criticizing the Council they could mean they want to criticize interpretation B.Similarly when Arcbishop Augustine Di Noia says the SSPX has to accept Vatican Council II's teaching on the Jews ( and other religions) he is referring to interpretation B.The SSPX could still hold the traditional teaching on Jews and other non Catholics according to Vatican Council II with interpretation A?In ChristLionelRepliesThomas E. GullicksonNovember 19, 2012 12:01 PMLionel,The leaders of SSPX are smarter than I am. They have to know that adherence to the Council and the Catechism does not put them at odds with what the Church has taught always and everywhere. I do not think that the last word has been said on living and dealing with the tension between zeal for souls and respect for those outside the only communion with the Church which I can know, the visible one.
Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martigioni
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/implicit-intention-invincible-ignorance.html#links
Repost : Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors
NOVEMBER 19, 2012
Dear Archbishop Thomas Gullickson,There are three types of baptism water, desire and blood.You would agree that desire and blood are graces of God and are known only to God. We do not know anyone on earth saved with the baptism of desire or blood in 2012. So while in principle we accept the baptism of desire and blood we know they are not visible and repeatable as the baptism of water.So I come back to my question:1. Do we know in the year 2012 any one saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, a good conscience, seeds of the word (AG 11), imperfect communion with the Church(UR) ?Lionel: The answer would be no we do not? Since these cases are known only to God.2. If we do not know any of these cases in 2012 can they be considered exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors?Lionel: So if we do not personally know any of these cases can they be considered de facto (explicit ) exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?In ChristLionel
Thomas E. GullicksonNovember 19, 2012 10:39 AMLionel, Thank you!To my mind your analysis is air tight. How can we know what is known to God alone? Our point of departure is Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus Est. Everything beyond baptism by water and the word is caught up in the mystery of Divine Providence and God's infinite mercy."Imperfect communion" is ecclesiological terminology which says nothing about the eternal salvation of an individual soul. Invincible ignorance goes well for matters of conscience and moral culpability, but otherwise I'd like to think that many people around the world A.D. find themselves in the same situation as people B.C. that is, with no possibility to know Christ. We think of St. Francis Xavier wanting to roust out of the universities of Europe as many as possible for the mission in India or of his urgency to reach China.Simply said, anyone who claims that in 2012 we don't stand in continuity with the great tradition of the Church or that for some reason we are less anxious for souls today, is simply spinning and has not understood the thrust of Vatican II.
http://deovolenteexanimo.blogspot.it/2012/11/a-little-adjunct-to-yesterdays-post.html?showComment=1353318215335
Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-thomas-egullickson-says.html#links
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-thomas-egullickson-says.html#links
DEAN OF THEOLOGY AT ST. ANSELM SAYS THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUShttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/10/dean-of-theology-at-st-anselm-says.html#links
CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.PBRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
Catholic religious contradict Bishop Fellay : Nostra Aetate is not an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus
I follow the Catechism of Trent in agreement with Vatican Council II and the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
Archbishop Thomas E.Gulllickson, the Apostolic Nuncio to Switzerland and Liechtenstein contradicts Archbishops Morandi and Di Noia, Secretaries at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF).
Brother Andre Marie MICM, in his correspondence with the CDF in 2016 has indicated that there are no known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I in our reality,and that they would be known only to God.Since I.I, BOB and BOD are not exceptions to EENS for him he is saying that in Heaven there are only Catholics.
SEPTEMBER 29, 2018
JUNE 20, 2016
Prof.Phillip Blosser, a Professor of Philosophy at Musings of a Pertinacious Papist and Tancred at The Eponymous Flower agree with me : hypothetical cases (baptism of desire etc) cannot be explicit for us in 2016 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/profphillip-blosser-professor-of.html_______________________________________
JANUARY 28, 2015 Fr.Marco Hausmann , Fr.P. Stefano Visintin OSB say there are no exceptions to the dogma, Cardinal Valliani's Vicariate says there are http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2015/01/frmarco-hausmann-fssp-frp-stefano.html
The Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) does not affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) in harmony with Vatican Council II. He is holding doctrinal talks with the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) when he should be asked to recant or resign
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-prefect-of-congregation-for.html
DECEMBER 19, 2018
The secret Vatican-SSPX doctrinal talks are not being made public, even though both sides claim to be Catholic.Cardinal Ladaria uses an irrationality to interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with EENS.So deception is in his interest https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-secret-vatican-sspx-doctrinal-talks.html
DECEMBER 13, 2018
At the Thomas More College of Liberal Arts they do not affirm orthodoxy and deny teaching heresy : they follow present day ecclesiastics in a rupture with the past Magisterium https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/at-thomas-more-college-of-liberal-arts.html
At the Thomas More College of Liberal Arts they do not affirm orthodoxy and deny teaching heresy : they follow present day ecclesiastics in a rupture with the past Magisterium https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/at-thomas-more-college-of-liberal-arts.html
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AUGUST 18, 2018
Placuit Deo promotes an ecumenical Jesus and not Jesus according to the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church,which did not separate Jesus from faith and baptism in the Church for salvation : Sandro Magister and Edward Pentin did not know http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/08/placuit-deo-promotes-ecumenical-jesus.html
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SATURDAY, JANUARY 14, 2017The two popes have got it wrong while an American archbishop and an Italian Vice Rector and professor of theology have got it correct.Pope Francis and Pope Benedict are fallibly rejecting an infallible teaching by using an irrational premise while Bishop Thomas E.Gullickson and Fr. Stefano Visintin osb have detected the irrational premise.1The two popes still use the irrational premise and so Vatican Council II (Cushingite) is a rupture with Tradition.They are objectively wrong when they assume that Lumen Gentium 16 etc refers to personally known cases.So there is rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known, for example, to the 16th century missionaries.
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AUGUST 18, 2018
Placuit Deo promotes an ecumenical Jesus and not Jesus according to the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church,which did not separate Jesus from faith and baptism in the Church for salvation : Sandro Magister and Edward Pentin did not know http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/08/placuit-deo-promotes-ecumenical-jesus.html_______
The two popes would also contradict the apologist John Martignoni and many Catholic priests in Rome.
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Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson the Nuncio to Ukraine has answered the two questions on the Catholic Faith on his blog Deo Volente Ex Anima.
2.Dear Archbishop Thomas Gullickson,There are three types of baptism water, desire and blood.You would agree that desire and blood are graces of God and are known only to God. We do not know anyone on earth saved with the baptism of desire or blood in 2012. So while in principle we accept the baptism of desire and blood we know they are not visible and repeatable as the baptism of water.So I come back to my question:1. Do we know in the year 2012 any one saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, a good conscience, seeds of the word (AG 11), imperfect communion with the Church(UR) ?Lionel: The answer would be no we do not? Since these cases are known only to God.2. If we do not know any of these cases in 2012 can they be considered exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors?Lionel: So if we do not personally know any of these cases can they be considered de facto (explicit ) exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?In ChristLionelThomas E. Gullickson November 19, 2012 10:39 AMLionel, Thank you!To my mind your analysis is air tight. How can we know what is known to God alone? Our point of departure is Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus Est. Everything beyond baptism by water and the word is caught up in the mystery of Divine Providence and God's infinite mercy."Imperfect communion" is ecclesiological terminology which says nothing about the eternal salvation of an individual soul. Invincible ignorance goes well for matters of conscience and moral culpability, but otherwise I'd like to think that many people around the world A.D. find themselves in the same situation as people B.C. that is, with no possibility to know Christ. We think of St. Francis Xavier wanting to roust out of the universities of Europe as many as possible for the mission in India or of his urgency to reach China.Simply said, anyone who claims that in 2012 we don't stand in continuity with the great tradition of the Church or that for some reason we are less anxious for souls today, is simply spinning and has not understood the thrust of Vatican II.
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