Saturday, July 25, 2015

Fr.Robert Barron confirms that Pope Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II used the 1949 irrationality

 
Fr.Robert Barron, bishop-elect writes:
But the Pope concludes that “the great majority of people” who, though sinners, still retain a fundamental ordering to God, can and will be brought to heaven after the necessary purification of Purgatory
Lionel:
He means Pope Benedict XVI also denies the dogma and Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14).Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation. The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says, all need to be formal members of the Catholic Church.Most people we know die without faith and baptism. They are not formal members of the Catholic Church.
It is well known that Pope Benedict XVI denied the traditional, centuries old interpretation of the dogma.For him being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire referred to explicit cases. So they become exceptions to the Feeneyite, rigorist interpretation of the dogma on salvation.
Ralph Martin and Fr.Robert Barron, as well as the sedevacantists and traditionalists make the same irrational inference.
This is a major doctrinal error in the Catholic Church.
There is no way Pope Benedict or Pope John Paul II could know that the 'the great majority of people' after death ' will be brought to heaven '.
 
Fr.Robert Barron :
Martin knows that the Pope stands athwart the position that he has taken throughout his study, for he says casually enough, “The argument of this book would suggest a need for clarification.”
Lionel:
Pope Benedict XVI approved this irrationality in two papers of the International Theological Commission.He also approved this error in the Balamand Declaration. Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus and other magisterial documents do not affirm the rigorist interpretation of the dogma. Since for Cardinal Ratzinger and Pope John Paul II there were known exceptions to the Feeneyite version of the dogma.This was also the irrationality of the Holy Office in 1949. It is supported by Cardinal Gerhard Muller, Archbishop Augustine Di Noia, and Mons. Pozzo at the CDF/Ecclesia Dei.This was the reasoning accepted by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the SSPX.
 
Fr.Robert Barron :
Obviously, there is no easy answer to the question of who or how many will be saved, but one of the most theologically accomplished popes in history, writing at a very high level of authority, has declared that we oughtn't to hold that Hell is densely populated.
Lionel:
This would be so since Pope Benedict XVI like the rest of the Church officially denies the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14).Cardinal Ratzinger  does not mention the dogma in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and calls it an 'aphorism' (CCC 846).He mentions the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance (AG 7,LG 14). Why? How are they relevant to the dogma when they are always invisible for us on earth?. This was the original mistake in Vatican Council II. Two superflous passages were mentioned in Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14.
Since there is salvation outside the Church for the popes, Fr.Barron and Ralph Martin, for them, all do not need to be formal members of the Catholic Church. This is also the position of the USCCB and bishops in the USA.There is salvation outside the Church for them!
Is there salvation outside the Church ? Where are these cases? Who are they? Where do they live? What are their names and surnames? Are they hypothetical cases from the past or living persons today ? Can hypothetical cases of the past be living exceptions today ,to all needing to formally enter the Church?
-Lionel Andrades
 
Fr. Robert Barron means Pope Benedict XVI also denies the dogma and Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14))
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/07/fr-robert-barron-means-pope-benedict.html