Friday, March 20, 2015

Without the three points we get a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus but this is not understood by the SSPX.





SSPX Communique on the consecration of Bishop Jean-Michel Faure
The Society of St. Pius X denounces this episcopal consecration of Fr. Faure, which, despite the assertions of both clerics concerned, is not at all comparable to the consecrations of 1988. All the declarations of Bishop Williamson and Fr. Faure prove abundantly that they no longer recognize the Roman authorities, except in a purely rhetorical manner.
Lionel:
Political statements.It's now 'them' versus 'us'.
The Society of St. Pius X still maintains that the present state of necessity renders legitimate its action throughout the world, without denying the legitimate authority of those for whom it continues to pray at every Mass.
Lionel:
Even Bishop Williamson and Bishop Jean-Michel Faure accept Pope Francis as the pope and they pray for him.
 The Society intends to continue its work of priestly formation according to its statutes. It has every intention to keep the deposit of the Faith 
Lionel:
The SSPX will continue like the FSSP to affirm Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus with three irrational theories. They call this the Deposit of the Faith!
The FSSP priests in Rome, are allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass only when they interpret Vatican Council II with these three irrational theories accepted by the magisterium since 1949. 1

1.Someone in the past is an exception to the dogma on March 20,2015.

2.Someone living will be an exception to the dogma today since he will be saved without faith and baptism.As if we can know!

3.Someone in Heaven is an exception to the dogma on earth.As if we can see people in Heaven.This is the dead-man walking theory!

For the SSPX ' a ray of the Truth that enlightens all men' (NA 2) refers to someone saved without the baptism of water and this case is known to them on earth in the present times ( March 20) ? The deceased are visible!. See point three above.
 For the SSPX  NA 2, UR 3, LG 8, LG 16 etc are explicit exceptions to Tradition. 
With the use of the three points, Vatican Council II emerges as a break with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and the rest of Tradition.
If they avoided this one action Vatican Council II would be traditional once again.
For the SSPX the dead-saved with the 'seeds of the Word' (AG 11) are visible exceptions on earth to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma.See point number three.
 Then SSPX priests often refer to St.Emerentiana.They suggest that she died without the baptism of water.See point one above.
Archbishop Augustine Di Noia in an interview with Edward Pentin for the National Catholic Register was asked about extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He said that he knew of good Protestants who would be saved outside the Church i.e without Catholic Faith.There was no comment or criticism from the SSPX. See point number number two above.
Without the three points we get a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus but this is not understood by the SSPX.

and the purity of the Church’s moral teaching, in opposition to errors, from wherever they may come, in order to pass on such Faith and morals in the traditional liturgy and by preaching, in accordance with the missionary spirit of its founder: Credidimus caritati [1 John 4:16].
Lionel:
Even the SSPX founder made a mistake and was not aware of the three theories above.It was with this irrationality that he interpreted first extra ecclesiam nulla salus and then Vatican Council II.
-Lionel Andrades

http://sspx.org/en/consecration-fr-jean-michel-faure

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FSSP priests in Rome not allowed to affirm Vatican Council II, extra ecclesiam nulla salus without three irrational points: no denial from religious community

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/fssp-priests-in-rome-not-allowed-to.html

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FSSP priests in Rome not allowed to affirm Vatican Council II, extra ecclesiam nulla salus without three irrational points: no denial from religious community

FSSP priests in Rome are not allowed to affirm Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus without the three irrational points used in the interpretation. There is  no denial from the pastor in Rome.
The FSSP priests in Rome, are allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass only when they interpret Vatican Council II with these three irrational theories accepted by the magisterium since 1949.
1.Someone in the past is an exception to the dogma on March 20,2015.
2.Someone living will be an exception to the dogma today since he will be saved without faith and baptism.As if we can know!
3.Someone in Heaven is an exception to the dogma on earth.As if we can see people in Heaven.This is the dead-man walking theory!
Like the Franciscans of the Immaculate (F.I), the Fraternity of St.Peter (FSSP) are being forced to accept Vatican Council II with a fantasy inference, an X-FACTOR.I have reported on this before and there is no denial from the FSSP in Rome. They agree that they have to accept the Star Trek , Batman interpretation of Vatican Council II and the dogma on salvation, using the three points above.
To be allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass the FSSP must fake it. They have to claim that there are people in Heaven visible on earth and saved with the baptism of desire etc and these 'beings', visible on the streets, are explicit exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is straight from Star Trek, Batman,Spiderman etc.
 
Like the conditions laid for the F.I the FSSP have to say that ' a ray of the Truth' (NA 2) refers to someone saved without the baptism of water and this case is known to them on earth in the present times ( March 20) ? The deceased are visible!. Star Trek!!
 The Rome Vicariate should leave Fr. Joseph Kramer F.S.S.P.,Pastor at the Santissima dei Pelligrini parish in Rome ( Mobile: +39.348.93 53 936  Email: kramer@fssp.it ) free to say that NA 2, UR 3, LG 8, LG 16 etc are not explicit exceptions to Tradition. All need 'faith and baptism' (AG 7) to go to Heaven. Extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They should be allowed to say that Vatican Council II does not contradict traditional ecclesiology, the Catechism of Pope Pius X, the Syllabus of Errors and the strict interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.This is a rational, inference-free version of Vatican Council, not interpreted with the three points above.
With the use of the three points, the FSSP are being forced to say by the Rome Vicariate that the Church has retracted outside the Church there is no salvation expressed in some form in CCC 845,846, AG 7, Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441 etc.
Pope Francis for ideological reasons wants them to accept Vatican Council II with the X-FACTOR and then offer the Traditional Latin Mass. Fr.Kramer and the FSSP priests in public fly with the Batman-version of the Council.The SSPX of course has to do the same, to get canonical status.
The rabbis approve this interpretation of Vatican Council II for the Catholic Church and it is being forced upon the FSSP, F.I and other Catholics.
The dead- saved with the 'seeds of the Word' (AG 11) are visible - it must be claimed.This is a basic requirement to offer the Traditional Latin Mass.Even Fr.John Zuhlsdorf a friend of the FSSP, recently presented the developed version of EENS. He is in on line with  the three points.
Catholic priests in Rome must wave to this fantasy theology, to remain ' a priest in good standing' in the Catholic Church.To survive they have to politically accept a lie; the dead are visible and so are objective exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma on salvation.People in the past are present day exceptions. One can tell who will die without Catholic Faith and the baptism of water and will go to Heaven...
The Franciscans of the Immaculate will remain in the caverns unless like the FSSP they proclaim  an irrational version of the Council. The fantasy version. A way out could only be Pope Francis accepting Vatican Council II without the three points. This would be the only rational interpretation of the Council and the dogma.
Without the use of the three points we get a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus but this is not approved by the bishops in the Vicariate.Neither Pope Francis.-Lionel Andrades 


Fr.Marco Hausmann FSSP, Fr.P. Stefano Visintin OSB say there are no exceptions to the dogma, Cardinal Valliani's Vicariate says there are

Un grazie speciale e la nostra riconoscenza va inoltre ad Antonio Pauletta, attore e amico carissimo, che tra una tappa e l'altra della sua tournée (ha voluto dedicare con generosità ed efficacia questo momento all'organizzazione della quarta degustazione del Club Criollo / Un merci spécial et toute notre reconnaissance va aussi à Antonio Pauletta, acteur et très cher ami, qui entre une étape et l'autre de son tour (http://www.theatre-odeon.eu/fr/2014-2015/spectacles/you-are-my-destiny-lo-stupro-di-lucrezia) a voulu consacrer avec générosité et efficacité ce moment au bon déroulement de la quatrième dégustation du Club Criollo. Credits: Luca Arseni e Giuseppe Chiantera

http://www.antoniopauletta.com
Fr.Marco Hausmann FSSP in Rome says there are no exceptions while the Vicariate is teaching young lay Catholics that there are exceptions http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/frmarco-hausmann-fssp-in-rome-says.html

Fr.Marco Hausmann FSSP confirms: there are no physically visible cases of the baptism of desire http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/frmarco-hausmann-fssp-confirms-there.html


There are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are not defacto exceptions-Fr.Marco Hausmann FSSP http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/there-are-no-exceptions-to-dogma-extra.html


This was the irrational reasoning of Cardinal Marchetti in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 : the irrationality was used by Fr.Hans Kung and others to interpret LG 16,LG 8,UR 3,NA 2 etc  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/02/this-was-irrational-reasoning-of.html

 
There can be a Vatican Council II according to a leftist or 'right wing' ideology : it depends upon the premise
 




Ideological excommunication underway

British Bishop Richard Williamson violated church law when he ordained Father Jean-Michel Faure, 73, a bishop without papal approval during a ceremony in Nova Friburgo, Brazil, March 19, the feast of St. Joseph.

While the Vatican did not comment immediately, canon law provides automatic excommunication for the newly ordained bishop and for the bishop ordaining him in cases where the ordination goes against the will of the pope.-CNS
Canon Law also provides automatic excommunication for a pope and cardinals who gives the Eucharist to Catholics in mortal sin.There is no excommunication for the present magisterium. Also when the magisterium denies a defined dogma and changes the Nicene Creed it warrants excommunication. These are all public sins of the pope and cardinals who are expected to excommunicate Bishop Williamson and Bishop Favre, with no mercy.
Before the feast of St.Joseph (March 19,2015) Bishop Williamson was not allowed to offer Mass in a 'mainstream' Catholic Church. Why? If one does not repeated the politically accepted figure for the Holocaust,he deserves to be treated as one already excommunicated?
When the excommunications were lifted he was not allowd to be a bishop in the Catholic Church unless he interpreted Vatican Council II, using Marchetti's irrational premise and fantasy conclusion, which is approved by the Jewish Left.
Now that he has refused to accept this irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II, which the magisterium will not reject, he is to be excommunicated for ordaining a new bishop, without the permission of the Vatican which approves the consecration of bishops who opppose Church teachings in flagrante.
-Lionel Andrades
















 

Catholic Church in Rome unjustly occupied by "modernist cuckoos" -Bishop Richard Williamson

British traditionalist bishop is excommunicated for illicit ordination
By Carol GlatzCatholic News Service

ROME (CNS) -- A traditionalist bishop who has denied the Holocaust has been automatically excommunicated along with the priest he illicitly ordained a bishop.

British Bishop Richard Williamson violated church law when he ordained Father Jean-Michel Faure, 73, a bishop without papal approval during a ceremony in Nova Friburgo, Brazil, March 19, the feast of St. Joseph.

While the Vatican did not comment immediately, canon law provides automatic excommunication for the newly ordained bishop and for the bishop ordaining him in cases where the ordination goes against the will of the pope.

Traditionalist Bishop Richard Williamson is seen in a church in Stockholm, Sweden, in 2008. (CNS/Catholic Press Photo)
Bishop Williamson had been excommunicated in 1988 when he and three other traditionalist bishops were ordained against papal orders by the late French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, founder of the Society of St. Pius X.

Pope Benedict XVI lifted the excommunications in 2009 as a first step toward beginning formal talks aimed at reconciliation with the group. However, there was widespread outrage at revelations that Bishop Williamson had denied the gassing of Jews in Nazi concentration camps. The Vatican said the pope had been unaware at the time of the bishop's radical views on the Holocaust.

Bishop Williamson, who opposed the Society of St. Pius X holding reconciliation talks with the Vatican, was ousted from the society in 2012.

He and a number of followers did not support reconciliation with Rome because they believe the Vatican had strayed from the Catholic faith since the Second Vatican Council.

Father Faure, who was ordained a priest by Archbishop Lefebvre in 1977, was also in opposition to reconciliation and left the society in 2013.

In an interview posted on the blog "Non Possumus" March 18, the priest said he was willing to be ordained a bishop despite the penalties because "we cannot leave the resistance without bishops."

"As Archbishop Lefebvre said, Catholic bishops are indispensible for the conservation of the true doctrine of the faith and the sacraments," he said.

In a commentary emailed to subscribers of his newsletter Feb. 28, Bishop Williamson said the Catholic Church in Rome -- referring to it as "the nightingales' nest" -- was unjustly occupied by "modernist cuckoos."

"Wherever the remainder of the true nightingales are visibly gathered, in whatever makeshift nest, they are in the church, they are the true visible church, and their beautiful song testifies to anyone who has ears to hear that the cuckoos are nothing but cuckoos who have stolen the Catholic nest which they presently occupy," he wrote.

He criticized the leaders of the SSPX for being "tone deaf" and unable "to distinguish the song of cuckoos from that of nightingales."

Interview with Bishop Jean-Michel Faure

Williamson (left) with Faure
Interview with Fr. Faure (soon to be Consecrated by Bishop Williamson)

 
http://www.sanctepater.com/2015/03/interview-with-fr-faure-soon-to-be.html