Friday, December 21, 2012

REUTERS MADE AN OBJECTIVE,FACTUAL ERROR AND NO CATHOLIC IS CORRECTING THEM


Reuters uses the dead man walking theory.


Traditionalists,sedevacantists, progresives, Vatican Curia are unaware of the irrationality of the Reuters Religious News Editor.

Reuters assumes that the dead saved are walking on earth and so they are visible exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the SSPX position on other religions.


So the propaganda continues about Vatican Council II being a revolution in the Catholic Church; a break with the past,all based on the dead man walking theory.


If Reuters is asked to provide proof on how Vatican Council II has changed the churches teaching on other religions, it could cite Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II.LG 16 says a person can be saved in invincible ignorance.


A dead man walking saved in invincible ignorance is an exception to the SSPX traditional position according to Reuters?


When is some Catholic going to bring Reuters back to reality?-Lionel Andrades

Archbishop Gerhard Muller says that the SSPX needs to distinguish the true teaching of the Second Vatican Council: but he will not correct Reuters.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/archbishop-gerhard-muller-says-that.html#links

Photo: Sister Helen Prejean signs her book, Dead Man Walking, at a speaking engagement in 1998. It has no connection with Reuters dead man walking.

MARY O REGAN, CATHOLIC HERALD SPARED ARCHBISHOP MULLER

Mary O Regan of the Catholic Herald U.K did not ask Archbishop Gerhard Muller the right questions and so did not spoil his day.
My Photo

The Irish journalist  did not ask the CDF Prefect to cite personally known cases in 2012 ,or during his lifetime, who  contradict the traditional understanding of the Church on other religions?


Where does the Church say that implicit salvation is explicit for us?


Where is the text in Vatican Council II which says Jews do not have to convert in the present times or that they are saved in general in their religion ?


Why do the Anglican Ordinariate members have to believe that they can see people on earth saved with the baptism of desire?Why do vocations to the religious life in the Anglican Ordinariate have to accept this irrationality?
The interview could have been carried in this way.
POTENTIAL INTERVIEW
Mary O Regan: Your Eminence  some of the supporters of the SSPX are saying that Vatican Council II is a traditional document with traditional values on other other religions. Would you agree?

Cardinal Muller's possible reply: Vatican Council II is not a break from the past . To assume that it is a break from the past is heretical.

Mary O Regan: They say that we do not know the dead saved in invincible ignorance or with implicit desire. Since we do not now these cases they are not exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They are irrelevant to the dogma.

So those saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16), elements of sanctifciation(LG 8) etc are not explicit and so do not contradict the dogma on salvation.So Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma.

Would you agree that we do not personally know these cases?

Cardinal Muller: Yes. We do not know these cases.

Mary O Regan: So could the CDF make an annoouncement that we do not know these cases of the dead who are saved and are now in Heaven.  Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma on salvation.

Cardinal Muller: Yes it is an objective fact. It cannot be denied. We do cannot see the dead.

Mary O Regan:So once the announcement is mande every one will realize that we can all, SSPX and non SSPX, hold the traditional, rational interpretation of Vatican Council II?

Cardinal Muller: Yes this is important for the SSPX reconciliation. Honesty demands.

This would be one approach. The second approach would be to just ask Cardinal Muller the following seven questions which are on the same subject but more technical.

1. Where does Vatican Council II state that we know non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance etc? How can these cases be visible to us ?
2. When Vatican Council II does not say that we know anyone saved in the present times in invincible ignorance and  with a good conscience, how can Lumen Gentium 16 be an exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors?
3.When in Vatican Council II being saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience is acknowledged in principle (only and not defacto known in the present times) and there are no known exceptions then Vatican Council II is a traditional Council with pro-SSPX values?
4.Since Lumen Gentium 16 refers to potential, implicit cases saved and not explicitly known non Catholics in the present times, it does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 which states all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation?
5.Ad Gentes 7 indicates all non Catholics are oriented to Hell unless they convert with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water? All Christian communities need Catholic Faith for salvation. Orthdox Christians and Protestants need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.(AG 7)?
6.Ad Gentes and Nostra Aetate 4 ( it says Catholics are the new people of God) indicate non Catholics have a mortal duty to enter the Church?.


7.The SSPX should be free to accept Vatican Council II in accord with the Syllabus of Errors, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.Is this also the interpretation of Cardinal Muller?-Lionel Andrades

http://thepathlesstaken7.blogspot.it/
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2012/12/19/head-of-the-cdf-urges-catholics-to-welcome-ordinariate-converts/

SSPX U.S website unable to defend SSPX on crucial point

The four part apologetics on the U.S website of the SSPX, titled  Is the SSPX in heresy? has not addressed the point of the Society of St.Pius X ( SSPX ) assuming Vatican Council II rejects the traditional teaching on other religions because of the visible dead theory and so they are heretical. They reject the Council and the dogma on salvation.
Archbishop Mueller

Archbishop Gerhard Muller has said that those who consider Vatican Council II as a rupture with the past are heretical. He cited traditionalists and progressives.

The SSPX considers being saved in invincible ignorance etc as exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (according to their websites and the book by Fr.Francois Laisney being sold by the SSPX).So Vatican Council II must contradict the traditional teaching on other religions.

This is irrational.There are no known exceptions; no case of a person being saved in invincible ignorance is visible on earth. The SSPX website has not addressed this issue.

One can accept the traditional teaching on other religions and the SSPX website  cannot cite any particular text in the Council which is contradictory.Their website cannot provide any reference.

Even though the U.S District website cannot cite any particular text , the SSPX bishops have said 'other religions' is an issue in the rejection of Vatican Council II.

The same error of assuming invincible ignorance is an explicit exception to the traditional understanding on other religions, is being made by Archbishops Gerhard Muller and Augustine Di Noia in interviews with the National Catholic Register.When asked about extra ecclesiam nulla salus both Archbishops assumed there are known exceptions to the dogma.This is heresy.It is the rejection of a defined dogma with claims of being able to see the dead. This point has not been covered in the four parts of Is the SSPX in heresy?

Yes it is heresy, if you reject extra ecclesiam nulla salus with alleged known exceptions and then reject Vatican Council II.

That Vatican Council II contradicts the traditional teaching on other religions is now the SSPX political position. How can they contradict Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre? -Lionel Andrades

SSPX LETS ARCHBISHOP GERHARD MULLER GO UNANSWERED
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/sspx-lets-archbishop-gerhard-muller-go.html#links

SSPX CLAIMS TRADITION TAUGHT THAT OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION BUT VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT TEACH THIS

Archbishop Gerhard Muller says that the SSPX needs to distinguish the true teaching of the Second Vatican Council: but he will not correct Reuters.

Paulist Fathers, Sant Egidio and Legion of Christ must also accept Archbishop Muller's ' fullness of the Catholic faith and its practice'

France's Interior Ministry to monitor supporters of Vatican Council II ?

SSPX WILL AGAIN LET ARCHBISHOP GERHARD MULLER GO UNANSWERED ?

Many in the SSPX have learned theological errors, and they must learn the true sense of the tradition of the Catholic Church - Archbishop Gerhard Muller tells British journalist