Liberal Pattern of Error : Here is how it works with Matt Fradd

 There is a standard approach to error among the Catholic liberals. 

Here is how it works with Matt Fradd.

1. They ignore or reject the strict  interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) as cited by the popes and saints.

2.They will cite a passage from Vatican Council II which they will interpret with a false premise, to create a rupture with Tradition, as mentioned in Number 1 above.

3.They may also quote the Catechism of the Catholic Church also interpreted with the false premise, to contradict Number one above.

4.Then some may cite the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 in which the false premise is used to contradict Feeneyite EENS.

5.So their conclusion is that the Church no more teaches the strict interpretation of EENS and  theoretical possibilities are practical exceptions.

LIBERAL EXAMPLE : MATT PRADD

1.St.Thomas Aquinas is never quoted affirming the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

  

THEORETICAL POSSIBILITIES 

1.(Time 35:10) What does Vatican Council II say about people outside the Church being saved ? Well In Lumen Gentium 16 we do read...yes it is possible that those outside the fold will be saved.

2.(57:25) St. Thomas Aquinas refers to the baptism of desire for someone who has not received the baptism of water.

3.(57:47) Whereby God whose power is not tied to visible Sacraments sanctifies man inwardly.

4.(57:59) Hence St. Ambrose says of his friend the Emperor Valintinian that I lost him but he did not lose the grace he prayed for.

5.God is not bound Sacraments ( Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257).

6.(59:17) Those who have an implicit desire for the baptism of water can also be saved.

-Lionel Andrades

NOVEMBER 25, 2020

Ralph Martin, Scott Hahn, Matt Fradd and the other liberals do not cite St. Thomas Aquinas affirming the strict interpretation of EENS while they cite theoretical possibilities as practical exceptions to Aquinas

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/11/ralph-martin-scott-hahn-matt-fradd-and.html

Liberal Pattern . This is how the ploy works knowingly or unknowingly

 There is a standard approach to error among the Catholic liberals. It is so common that they keep repeating it without really thinking it through.

Here is how it works.

1. They ignore or reject the strict  interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) as cited by the popes and saints.

2.They will cite a passage from Vatican Council II which they will interpret with a false premise, to create a rupture with Tradition, as mentioned in Number 1 above.

3.They may also quote the Catechism of the Catholic Church also interpreted with the false premise, to contradict Number one above.

4.Then some may cite the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 in which the false premise is used to contradict Feeneyite EENS.

5.So their conclusion is that the Church no more teaches the strict interpretation of EENS and  theoretical possibilities are practical exceptions.

LIBERAL EXAMPLE : RALPH MARTIN

1.St.Thomas Aquinas is never cited.

 

ST.THOMAS AQUINAS IS NEVER QUOTED AFFIRMING THE STRICT INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS (EENS).

2.

He presents hypothetical cases, possibilities as exceptions to the strict interpretation of EENS which he does not cite.

(Time. 29:29) Sometimes people say that is it possible for people to be saved without hearing the Gospel. It is. And the Church clearly teaches that, based on Romans Chapter 1 and Romans Chapter 2. And in Section 16 of the Constitution of the Church this is where the Church lays out its definitive teaching on the possibility of people being saved without hearing the Gospel. We really need to know this. We really need to be clear about this. Because there is so much, so much confusion here.What the Council teaches and what we find in the Catechism of the Catholic Church..it's  possible for people under certain circumstances to be saved without hearing the Gospel.What are those circumstances what are those conditions? There's three  of them, one is that people have to be inculpably ignorance ot hearing the Gospel. It's not there own fault that they don't know the path to salvation,.they haven't heard and it hasn't been their own fault that they haven't heard .Now sometimes a lot of us have experienced that we have friends, relatives neighbours....-  Ralph Martin.

 THEORETICAL POSSIBILITIES ARE PRESENTED AS PRACTICAL EXCEPTIONS TO EENS

. 1. And the Church clearly teaches that, based on Romans Chapter 1 and Romans Chapter 2.

2. And in Section 16 of the Constitution of the Church this is where the Church lays out its definitive teaching on the possibility of people being saved without hearing the Gospel. We really need to know this. We really need to be clear about this. Because there is so much, so much confusion here.

3What the Council teaches and what we find in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

CONCLUSION

This is the crisis in the Church. The liberals like Ralph Martin, do not cite the saints and popes on the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.Then they cite hypothetical and speculative possibilities.They imply that these hypothetical possibilities are real examples of salvation outside the Catholic church and are practical exceptions to EENS.

This is 'a truth of the faith which is in conflict with the culture' and Ralph Martin does not not proclaim it.-Lionel Andrades

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All the books on Vatican Council II, in general have been written with a false premise instead of without it and there are no comments from Ralph Martin, Scott Hahn, Trent Horn, Jimmy Skins, Steve Ray and Matt Fradd.

 All the books on Vatican Council II, in general have been written with a false premise instead of without it and there are no comments from Ralph Martin, Scott Hahn, Trent Horn, Jimmy Skins, Steve Ray and Matt Fradd.-Lionel Andrades

SEPTEMBER 20, 2020

The following books on Vatican Council II reviewed on the National Catholic Reporter were written with a false premise to create a false liberalism with an aritificial break with Tradition. Throw them out.

 The following books on Vatican Council II reviewed on the National Catholic Reporter were written with a false premise to create a false liberalism with an aritificial break with Tradition. Throw them out. -L.A

THE GOOD POPE: JOHN XXIII & VATICAN II: THE MAKING OF A SAINT AND THE REMAKING OF THE CHURCH
By Greg Tobin
Published by HarperOne, $26.99

But his abilities were seriously underestimated, as can be seen in Greg Tobin’s biography, The Good Pope. The book offers an engaging profile of the man who convened the 21st ecumenical council, which, depending on one’s interpretation, either threatened centuries of Roman Catholic tradition or enlightened them.

VATICAN II: THE BATTLE FOR MEANING
By Massimo Faggioli
Published by Paulist Press, $14.95

Some considered the council to be blessed by the Holy Spirit. Others, like the French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, thought the council was the work of Satan. In Vatican II: The Battle for Meaning, Massimo Faggioli offers a hard-hitting study of the battles that took place during the council.

The council had barely begun when, on Oct. 30, 1962, dissension broke out. The conservative Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani protested a draft of a document concerning changes to the Mass. He asked, “Are we dealing here with a revolution regarding the whole Mass?” He listed his complaints, causing his speech to run over the time allotted. When he was cut off, something almost unheard of happened: “The assembly broke out in applause.”

Although traditionalists, as Faggioli shows, were a minority, they wielded great power and could count among their members the Roman Curia. Some traditionalists thought the council agenda was wrong to the point of being heretical. Lefebvre, for example, believed that when Paul VI promulgated the documents of Vatican II, he had ceased to be pope because his actions had been schismatic; the cardinals he appointed were therefore invalidly appointed. Others opposed the council but professed allegiance to the pope and to the bishops while fighting for a pre-Vatican II church.

VATICAN II: THE ESSENTIAL TEXTS
Edited by Norman Tanner, SJ
Published by Image Books, $19

In Vatican II: The Essential Texts, Jesuit Fr. Norman Tanner edits the council documents and frames each with a brief but informative overview by Edward Hahnenberg, author and professor of theology. The book opens with two essays offering opposing perspectives that set up the lines of argument emanating from council documents. Author James Carroll writes from the perspective of one who believes that the work of the council was to dismantle the last divine right monarchy and achieve a needed break with the past. Pope Benedict XVI, who takes the opposing view, sees the dissent regarding the council as one of hermeneutics (interpretation) and believes that the council called for renewal, not revolt.

KEYS TO THE COUNCIL: UNLOCKING THE TEACHING OF VATICAN II
By Richard Gaillardetz and Catherine E. Clifford
Published by Liturgical Press, $19.95

Despite the debates about Vatican II, few people knew what really happened during the council. Partly it was because of the secrecy surrounding it. But also, as explained in Richard Gaillardetz and Catherine E. Clifford’s Keys to the Council, it was difficult to understand such a large body of material dealing with thorny theological and philosophical issues. Paul VI increased the difficulty by allowing opposing sides to add their varying views to the documents, which tended to obfuscate their meaning. Shortly after the council ended, its major documents were published. This was followed by a flood of interpretations trying to explain what the documents actually meant.

Even the press releases concerning the council were difficult to follow. As Tobin mentions, a London periodical complained of “English so peculiarly outrageous that one hardly knows whether to laugh or cry.”

VATICAN II: FIFTY YEARS OF EVOLUTION AND REVOLUTION IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
By Margaret Lavin
Published by Novalis, $18.95

In Vatican II: Fifty Years of Evolution and Revolution in the Catholic Church, professor of theology Margaret Lavin offers an accessible, coherent look at the council. She explains the impetus behind the council, presents an overview of its documents, and then looks at their history, major themes and challenges.

CHRIST, CHURCH, MANKIND: THE SPIRIT OF VATICAN II ACCORDING TO POPE JOHN PAUL II
Edited by Zdzislaw Josef Kijas, OFM Cap, and Andrzej Dobrzynski
Published by Paulist Press, $15.95

Scholars worked to achieve a consensus in interpreting the documents, but as these books show, conflicts still exist. Some, for example, see John Paul II’s papacy as one that attempted to curb the agenda of Vatican II. Others, like journalist Michael Novak, believe that John Paul, with his awareness of the presence of the Holy Spirit, rescued the council. The book Christ, Church, Mankind notes John Paul’s ardent passion for Jesus Christ and his efforts to spread that passion as part of the vision of Vatican II. Based on a 2008 international assembly that studied his pontificate and its connection to Vatican II, the book points out that Karol Wojtyla’s beliefs about the family, women and motherhood positively influenced council documents. But it says little about the council’s particulars.

VATICAN II: FIFTY PERSONAL STORIES
Edited by William Madges and Michael J. Daley
Published by Orbis Books, $28

Dennis Doyle’s foreword to Vatican II: Fifty Personal Stories offers an insightful, clearly written “interpretive introduction” to Vatican II and to the 50 memoirs collected here. In one especially engaging memoir, Redemptorist Fr. Francis Xavier Murphy recounts using the pseudonym Xavier Rynne to protect himself from the Roman Curia, so he could cover the council for The New Yorker and let the world in on the council’s secrets. In another, Fr. Joseph Komonchak, professor emeritus of theology and religious studies at The Catholic University of America, notes somewhat wistfully that many of those involved in the tense drama of the council are deceased, while most Catholics today wonder what the fuss was about.

Was the council a power struggle between conservatives and liberals? Or were both sides trying to be faithful to the authentic and apostolic church as they understood it to be? These books offer no definitive answers to the questions. But after reading them, one can say that despite -- or because of -- being guided by the Holy Spirit, the council created such dissension that the church is still reeling from it.

Who would have thought that the approximately 2,500 bishops and cardinals who debated, wrote, revised and promulgated the documents of the 21st ecumenical council (as well as the good pope who convened it) could start a fight like the one that’s going on in the church today? Who indeed?

https://www.ncronline.org/books/2017/08/trove-new-books-vatican-ii

MONDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2019

All the books on Vatican Council II that have been published could probably have an error in the interpretation of the Council, in its 16 basic documents.Lumen Gentium, Nostra Aetate,Ad Gentes, Unitatitis Redintigratio, Gaudium et Specs etc were are all interpreted with a false premise to create an artificial rupture with Tradition. Hypotheticals were assumed to be objective people saved outside the Church.

All the books on Vatican Council II that have been published could probably have an error in the interpretation of the Council, in its 16 basic documents.Lumen Gentium, Nostra Aetate,Ad Gentes, Unitatitis Redintigratio, Gaudium et Specs etc were are all interpreted with a false premise to create an artificial rupture with Tradition.

Hypotheticals were assumed to be objective people saved outside the Church.

Now if hypotheticals are not assumed to be objective people saved outside the Church the conclusion is different.The interpretation changes. 

The conclusion then is that there is nothing in Lumen Gentium to contradict the past ecclesiology.

There is nothing in Ad Gentes to contradict the past concept of mission based on  exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church and all needing to be members with faith and baptism(AG 7) to avoid Hell ( for salvation).

There is nothing in the entire text of Unitatis Redintigratio to contradict the traditional ecumenism of return and the need for Protestants and Orthodox Christians to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid the fires of Hell.

So the present two popes' interpretation of the Council is wrong and so are those of the cardinals and bishops-and the traditionalists.

This is not just a personal opinion. Many agree with me. One has only to look at the text of the Council.It is all there before us. Look at the Council-text differently and the Council changes.Change your premise and change the Church.

It is the same with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).Most people interpret the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) as being practical exceptions to EENS.

BOD, BOB and I.I are 'zero cases says the apologist on EWTN John Martignoni.

Being saved in invincible ignorance technically exists only on paper says Ann Barnhardt.

This is also the theological position of Brother Andre Marie MICM, in his official letter to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Diocese of Manchester USA. 1 

They are supported by Fr. Stefano Visintin osb, the present Rector of the University of St. Anselm, Rome.Many priests who offer Holy Mass in Italian in Rome agree with him.There is no known baptism of desire case to contradict Fr. Leonard Feeney's concept of outside the Church there is no salvation.
It is the same with the dogma EENS. We can interpret BOD, BOB and I.I as being practical exceptions to EENS and most people do so, even though it is irrational. However we can also accept BOD, BOB and I.I and not see them as physically visible people in 2019.
So they are not literal cases of people saved outside the Church. They do not become practical exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO) made a mistake. Unlike the popes and saints over the centuries, is interprets BOD, BOB and I.I as being exceptions to EENS.
Now we know Vatican Council II does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS. Vatican Council II and EENS are Feeneyite and rational.
So all those books on Vatican Council II published over 50 years, generally are false propaganda.The Conciliar Church is really Feeneyite and traditional.
Fr.Leonard Feeney was correct. There are no literal cases of the baptism of desire.The CDF( Holy Office) was wrong.
Similarly the CDF was wrong at the Placuet Deo Press Conference ( March 1,2018). There are no literal cases known to us of non Catholics saved outside the Church with elements of sanctification and truth in other religions(LG 8), or, where the truth Church of Christ allegedly subsists.
We  cannot know of any one saved outside the Catholic Church who would be an exception to the traditional teaching on the Church having an exclusiveness and superiority in salvation. Cardinal Luiz Ladaria sj misled the correspondent of the Associated Press, when she asked him an ideological question.

So all those books on Vatican Council II on your book shelf- throw them out.Also note that papal documents like Redemptoris Missio etc contain the same error.
-Lionel Andrades

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https://df9ixb8c8gy4m.cloudfront.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2019/01/20170307-Letter.pdf

https://catholicism.org/doctrinal-belief.html

OCTOBER 27, 2019

Books on Vatican Council II should not receive the Imprimatur: authors interpret the Council with a false premise to create an artificial rupture with Tradition

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/10/books-on-vatican-council-ii-should-not.html

FRIDAY, AUGUST 7, 2020

Amazon Books, Ignatius Press, Angelus Press and the numerous other publisher's books on Vatican Council II are now obsolete.They are like old technology. These books are now 'past tense '.Throw them out.

 Amazon Books, Ignatius Press, Angelus Press and the numerous other publisher's books on Vatican Council II are now obsolete.They are like old technology. These books are now 'past tense '.Throw them out..-Lionel Andrades

AUGUST 6, 2018

Whispers of Restoration a group of anonymous traditionalists,heretics and schismatics, who interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, with a false premise, and so create a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS), the Syllabus of Errors and past Catechisms

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-team-at-whispers-of-restoration-for.html

-Lionel Andrades

 AUGUST 6, 2018

Questions for the traditionalists

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/08/questions-for-traditioinalists.html

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DECEMBER 18, 2018

Gospel of John says all need to believe in Jesus for salvation and we do not know of any practical exceptions ; we cannot know of any exceptions to the Great Commission

In the Bible the Gospel of John says that every one needs to believe in Jesus to go to Heaven and there is no other way. For us Catholics the norm is believing in Jesus in the Catholic Church. 

Jesus says:

11] Amen, amen I say to thee, that we speak what we know, and we testify what we have seen, and you receive not our testimony. [12] If I have spoken to you earthly things, and you believe not; how will you believe, if I shall speak to you heavenly things? [13] And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man who is in heaven. [14] And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of man be lifted up: [15] That whosoever believeth in him, may not perish; but may have life everlasting.John 3:11-15 Douy Rheims Bible

Jesus tells us in John 3:5 that all need the baptism of water for salvation. In Mark 16:16  he tells us that God the Father has chosen His Son as the only way of salvation.Those  who do not believe in Jesus within the Catholic community; the Catholic Church,will be condemned.Jesus says those who deny Him he will deny before the Father in Heaven.(Matt.10:37)

So membership in the Catholic Church with faith and baptism is necessary for all.It is necessary to avoid the fires of Hell, according to the Bible.1

[16] For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world, to judge the world, but that the world may be saved by him.[18] He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [19]And this is the judgment: because the light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light: for their works were evil. [20] For every one that doth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, that his works may not be reproved.John 3:16-20

So when we meet non Catholics we know that they are Hell-bound.Since they will die without the ordinary means of salvation,which is faith and baptism.2

[26] For as the Father hath life in himself, so he hath given the Son also to have life in himself: [27] And he hath given him power to do judgment, because he is the Son of man. [28] Wonder not at this; for the hour cometh, wherein all that are in the graves shall hear the voice of the Son of God. [29] And they that have done good things, shall come forth unto the resurrection of life; but they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment. [30] I cannot of myself do any thing. As I hear, so I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.John 5:26-30
There are no known exceptions to the ordinary means of salvation. The baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) are not practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).They are not practical exceptions to the ordinary means of salvation.We cannot meet or see any one saved outside the Church.God made it this way.3

We cannot know of any one who will be saved who does not believe in Jesus and we know the ordinary means of salvation for Catholics is faith in Jesus in the Catholic Church.




So it is necessary that everyone become Catholic to avoid Hell. Jesus founded only one Church, the Catholic Church.

The Bible is Catholic. The Catholic Church  chose the inspired manuscripts which form the Bible. The liturgy of  Christians comes from the Catholic Church at the time of King Constantine the Great.The Holy Trinity is a dogma of a Catholic Church Council. 4

 [56] For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. [57] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. [58] As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me.[59] This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever. [60] These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum.John 6:56-60
The Eucharist at Mass is necessarty for salvation. All need the Saraments of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.

 And he said to them: You are from beneath, I am from above. You are of this world, I am not of this world.[24] Therefore I said to you, that you shall die in your sins. For if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sin. [25] They said therefore to him: Who art thou? Jesus said to them: The beginning, who also speak unto you.John 8:23.25

The Catholic Church is the continuation of the Jewish religion.Catholics are the new people of God,the Chosen People ( Nostra Aetate 4, Vatican Council II). They have the Sacrifice in the Mass, they have the Messiah promised by the Jewish prophets. They have the Ark of the Covenant in the Eucharist placed in a tabernacle. They have the Sacred Scriptures which include the Old Testament and the Jewish Pentateuch.They have an eternal covenant made with the Death and Resurrection of Jesus. It was a fulfillment of the old covenants Yahweh made with the Jews. Catholics have the temple, the church, where the one and only Sacrifice of Jesus is re-enacted in an un-bloody way, at Holy Mass.

In Heaven there are only Catholics.They are there with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water(AG 7).

Jesus died for all. Salvation is open to all in potential but to receive this salvation all need to be members of the Catholic Church ( Dominus Iesus n.20,Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Notification, Dupuis, 2002).

The Catholic Church is the Ark of Noah that saves in the flood (Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) 845).God wants all people to be united in the Catholic Church(CCC 845). 

We cannot separate Jesus from the Church(Dominus Iesus).The Church is the Mystical Body of Jesus the Bible tells us.

We cannot have a kerygma without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church.In Evangelii Gaudium (Joy of the Gospel) Pope Francis presented the kerygma without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church. This was a rupture with Catholic Tradition.

Jesus died and is risen to save all from Hell. Those who believe in Him and live his teachings in the Catholic Church, will be saved from the fires of Hell.Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.Three Church Councils in Catholic history called it extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It is also the message in Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II which calls us to proclaim it to the peoples.It says all need faith and baptism for salvation and not just those who know about Jesus and the Church.

Jesus in the Catholic Church is the narrow gate (Matt.7:13),the pearl of great price (Matt.13:45-46), the man who found a treasure in the field and sold all to have it (Matt:13:44-46).  5

[31] Then Jesus said to those Jews, who believed him: If you continue in my word, you shall be my disciples indeed. [32] And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. [33] They answered him: We are the seed of Abraham, and we have never been slaves to any man: how sayest thou: you shall be free? [34] Jesus answered them: Amen, amen I say unto you: that whosoever committeth sin, is the servant of sin. [35] Now the servant abideth not in the house for ever; but the son abideth for ever.

[36] If therefore the son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.John 8: 31-36

The Good News is that all who believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Second Person of the Trinity, the Promised Messiah who will come again, will have eternal life in Heaven. They must believe that Jesus Died and is Risen and with his Sacrifice took He away our sins. They must live the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church on faith and morals.The Catholic Church has a perennial Magisterium inspired by the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.(Heb.13:8) 6

 [42] Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me. For from God I proceeded, and came; for I came not of myself, but he sent me: [43] Why do you not know my speech? Because you cannot hear my word. [44] You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. [45] But if I say the truth, you believe me not.John 8: 42-45

"Saul, Saul why do you persecute me", Jesus said identifying Himself with the Church(Acts.9:4).So we cannot have faith in Christ ( Christology) without  membership in the Catholic Church( ecclesiocentric ecclesiology).

 [7] Jesus therefore said to them again: Amen, amen I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. [8] All others, as many as have come, are thieves and robbers: and the sheep heard them not. [9] I am the door. By me, if any man enter in, he shall be saved: and he shall go in, and go out, and shall find pastures. [10] The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I am come that they may have life, and may have it more abundantly. John 10: 7-10

[16] And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd.John 10:16

There could be people in other religions who are to be saved and they would be known only to Jesus.We cannot know of any one in another religion who will be saved without following Jesus in the Catholic Church.

[6] Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me-John 14:6

So every one needs to believe in Jesus in the only Church he founded.God has chosen to restrict salvation to only membership the Catholic Church, just as he has chosen only women to have babies, water to fall downwards and men to marry only women.

The dogma outside the Church there is no salvation ( extra ecclesiam nulla salus )reflects the supernatural truth as God sees it.This is taught by the Holy Spirit through the Catholic Church.

[6] If any one abide not in me, he shall be cast forth as a branch, and shall wither, and they shall gather him up, and cast him into the fire, and he burneth. John 15:6

Non Christians do not abide in Jesus.They are outside the Church and are on the way  to Hell.They are not baptised with water(John 3:5) and neither do they have Catholic faith. They will be condemned at the time of death according to the Bible.
Non Catholic Christians who believe in Jesus and then die suddenly can be saved and it would be known only to God.As St. Paul told the Phillipian jailer (Acts 16.25:40)that all he had to do was to believe in Jesus and he would be saved. This is true. However the jailer and his household would have to be later baptised with water. They would then be taught the Faith which they would have to live. That faith which they would be taught for salvation, is the Catholic Faith.

So in general every one needs to be Catholic for salvation. If someone who is not Catholic is saved at the last moment before death, if someone who is not Catholic repents and is saved or receives the baptism of water in another Christian community and is saved or is in invincible ignorance and God sends a preacher to him and he is saved this would only be known to God.They are not exceptions to the general norm which is Catholic faith with the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.- Lionel Andrades

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DECEMBER 17, 2018

The Church is Necessary 

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-church-is-necessary.html

2.Ibid

3. ibid

4.Ibid

5.Ibid

6.Ibid

7.Ibid

DECEMBER 29, 2017

Only the Catholic Church - 1 -12

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/only-catholic-church-1-12.html



  

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