Archbishop Thomas E.Gulllickson, the Apostolic Nuncio to Switzerland and Liechtenstein contradicts Archbishops Morandi and Di Noia, Secretaries at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF).
Archbishop Gullickson answered my two questions on his blog.
Like me, he would answer:-
TWO POINTS/ TWO QUESTIONS
1. Unknown and invisible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are NOT personally known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).So I would REJECT a new version of EENS with BOD,BOB and I.I being literal exceptions.
2.Unknown and physically invisible cases of being saved mentioned in Vatican Council II ( LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3 NA 2, GS 22 etc) are also NOT personally known examples of salvation outside the Church in 2019 and so they are NOT exceptions to 16th- century EENS.They do NOT contradict the Magisterium and missionaries of that time.
So the Apostolic Nuncio would support 16th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS), the past ecclesiology and an ecumenism of return.But the Archbishop-Secretaries at the CDF, like the present two popes, would reject 16th century EENS, the past exclusivist ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return, the Syllabus of Errors and the Athansius Creed.
Similarly there would be cardinals and bishops who would agree with the American Nuncio.
Fr. Stefano Visintin osb, Rector, University of St. Anselm, Rome answered the two questions, which I asked him,and was in agreement with the Apostolic Nuncio. It is the same for John Martignoni, apologist at the EWTN.
They are making an observation of life, an empirical observation when they say that there are no physically visible cases of the BOD, BOB and I.I. Upon this observation was based the old salvation theology which says outside the Church there is no salvation.
For the present two popes and the CDF, there are physically visible cases of BOD, BOB and I.I. Upon this observation there is the New Theology , which says outside the Church there is known salvation ; there is salvation.
So now for the CDF Secretaries - the Apostolic Nuncio and many priests in Rome would legally, not be Catholic.This is the change in status for the St. Benedict Center.
Brother Andre Marie MICM, in his correspondence with the CDF in 2016 has indicated that there are no known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I in our reality,and that they would be known only to God.Since I.I, BOB and BOD are not exceptions to EENS for him he is saying that in Heaven there are only Catholics.
Brother Andre Marie MICM, in his correspondence with the CDF in 2016 has indicated that there are no known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I in our reality,and that they would be known only to God.Since I.I, BOB and BOD are not exceptions to EENS for him he is saying that in Heaven there are only Catholics.
This is unacceptable, legally and canonically, for the CDF and the Diocese of Manchester which has announced Precepts of Prohibitions.
So the same prohibitions would apply to cardinals, bishops, religious communities and priests and nuns who affirm Vatican Council II and EENS rationally and traditionally and so say that in Heaven there are only Catholics.
It would mean that the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary in the Diocese of Worcester, USA, under Bishop Robert McManus, are also outside the Church and are not Catholics for the CDF and the Left.-Lionel Andrades
SEPTEMBER 29, 2018
Repost : Archbishop Thomas E Gullickson and Father Stefano S.Visintin osb say there are no known cases of the baptism of desire in our reality(Graphics)
JUNE 20, 2016
Prof.Phillip Blosser, a Professor of Philosophy at Musings of a Pertinacious Papist and Tancred at The Eponymous Flower agree with me : hypothetical cases (baptism of desire etc) cannot be explicit for us in 2016
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/profphillip-blosser-professor-of.html
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JANUARY 28, 2015
Fr.Marco Hausmann , Fr.P. Stefano Visintin OSB say there are no exceptions to the dogma, Cardinal Valliani's Vicariate says there are http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2015/01/frmarco-hausmann-fssp-frp-stefano.html
Prof.Phillip Blosser, a Professor of Philosophy at Musings of a Pertinacious Papist and Tancred at The Eponymous Flower agree with me : hypothetical cases (baptism of desire etc) cannot be explicit for us in 2016
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/profphillip-blosser-professor-of.html
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JANUARY 28, 2015
Fr.Marco Hausmann , Fr.P. Stefano Visintin OSB say there are no exceptions to the dogma, Cardinal Valliani's Vicariate says there are http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2015/01/frmarco-hausmann-fssp-frp-stefano.html
The Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) does not affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) in harmony with Vatican Council II. He is holding doctrinal talks with the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) when he should be asked to recant or resign
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-prefect-of-congregation-for.html
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-prefect-of-congregation-for.html
DECEMBER 19, 2018
The secret Vatican-SSPX doctrinal talks are not being made public, even though both sides claim to be Catholic.Cardinal Ladaria uses an irrationality to interpret Vatican Council II as a rupture with EENS.So deception is in his interest https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-secret-vatican-sspx-doctrinal-talks.html
DECEMBER 13, 2018
At the Thomas More College of Liberal Arts they do not affirm orthodoxy and deny teaching heresy : they follow present day ecclesiastics in a rupture with the past Magisterium https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/at-thomas-more-college-of-liberal-arts.html
At the Thomas More College of Liberal Arts they do not affirm orthodoxy and deny teaching heresy : they follow present day ecclesiastics in a rupture with the past Magisterium https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/at-thomas-more-college-of-liberal-arts.html
DECEMBER 19, 2018
Cardinal Ladaria needs to resign instead he is holding doctrinal talks with the SSPX (Graphics) https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/cardinal-ladaria-needs-to-resign.html
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AUGUST 18, 2018
Placuit Deo promotes an ecumenical Jesus and not Jesus according to the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church,which did not separate Jesus from faith and baptism in the Church for salvation : Sandro Magister and Edward Pentin did not know http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/08/placuit-deo-promotes-ecumenical-jesus.html
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Cardinal Ladaria needs to resign instead he is holding doctrinal talks with the SSPX (Graphics) https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/12/cardinal-ladaria-needs-to-resign.html
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AUGUST 18, 2018
Placuit Deo promotes an ecumenical Jesus and not Jesus according to the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church,which did not separate Jesus from faith and baptism in the Church for salvation : Sandro Magister and Edward Pentin did not know http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/08/placuit-deo-promotes-ecumenical-jesus.html
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AUGUST 18, 2018
Placuit Deo promotes an ecumenical Jesus and not Jesus according to the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church,which did not separate Jesus from faith and baptism in the Church for salvation : Sandro Magister and Edward Pentin did not know http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/08/placuit-deo-promotes-ecumenical-jesus.html______________________________________________
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