Monday, August 28, 2017

SSPX can affirm Vatican Council II in harmony with EENS and appeal to all Catholics to do the same.

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Here are citations from the Wikipedia entry on extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in which the popes affirm outside the Church there is no salvation without BOD,BOB and I.I referring to objective and known exceptions to EENS.
  • Pope Pius IX The Syllabus of Errors, attached to Encyclical Quanta cura, 1864: [The following are prescribed errors:] ". Men can, in the cult of any religion, find the way of eternal salvation and attain eternal salvation. - Encyclical Qui pluribus, November 9, 1846. ". One ought to at least have good hope for the eternal salvation of all those who in no way dwell in the true Church of Christ. - Encyclical Quanto conficiamur moerore, August 10, 1863, etc."
  • Pope Leo XIII (1878–1903), Encyclical Annum ingressi sumus: "This is our last lesson to you; receive it, engrave it in your minds, all of you: by God's commandment salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Church." idem, Encyclical Sapientiae christianae: "He scatters and gathers not who gathers not with the Church and with Jesus Christ, and all who fight not jointly with Him and with the Church are in very truth contending against God."
  • Pope St. Pius X (1903–1914), Encyclical Jucunda sane: "It is our duty to recall to everyone great and small, as the Holy Pontiff Gregory did in ages past, the absolute necessity which is ours, to have recourse to this Church to effect our eternal salvation."
  • Pope Benedict XV (1914–1922), Encyclical Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum: "Such is the nature of the Catholic faith that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole, or as a whole rejected: This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved."
  • Pope Pius XI (1922–1939), Encyclical Mortalium Animos: "The Catholic Church alone is keeping the true worship. This is the font of truth, this is the house of faith, this is the temple of God; if any man enter not here, or if any man go forth from it, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation… Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ, no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors."
  • Pope Pius XII (1939–1958), Encyclical Humani Generis, August 12, 1950: "Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation."
  • Pope Pius XII (1939–1958), Allocution to the Gregorian University (17 October 1953): "By divine mandate the interpreter and guardian of the Scriptures, and the depository of Sacred Tradition living within her, the Church alone is the entrance to salvation: She alone, by herself, and under the protection and guidance of the Holy Spirit, is the source of truth."
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_Ecclesiam_nulla_salus
These are traditional citations on EENS from Wikipedia's entry on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So until 1958 the popes were affirming EENS without BOD, BOB and I.I referring to objective and known cases.
Wikipedia's next entry is from Vatican Council II, influenced by the Letter of the Holy Office and so the change in theology and doctrine was made.
Here Pope Pius IX affirms traditional EENS without the BOD, BOB and  I.I confusion. He is in line with Fr. Leonard Feeney and the missionaries in the 16th century.
So in  1878 things were still looking good.

Pope Pius IX (1846–1878), Encyclical Singulari quidem March 17, 1856): "Teach that just as there is only one God, one Christ, one Holy Spirit, so there is also only one truth which is divinely revealed. There is only one divine faith which is the beginning of salvation for mankind and the basis of all justification, the faith by which the just person lives and without which it is impossible to please God and come to the community of His children (Romans 1; Hebrews 11; Council of Trent, Session 6, Chapter 8). There is only one true, holy, Catholic Church, which is the Apostolic Roman Church. There is only one See founded on Peter by the word of the Lord (St. Cyprian, Epistle 43), outside of which we cannot find either true faith or eternal salvation. He who does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father, and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is established trusts falsely that he is in the Church (ibid, On the Unity of the Catholic Church). ... Outside of the Church, nobody can hope for life or salvation unless he is excused through ignorance beyond his control."

"Here, too, our beloved sons and venerable brothers, it is again necessary to mention and censure a very grave error entrapping some Catholics who believe that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity. Such belief is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching. There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments."


"Also well known is the Catholic teaching that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church. Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who oppose the authority and statements of the same Church and are stubbornly separated from the unity of the Church and also from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff, to whom 'the custody of the vineyard has been committed by the Savior.' The words of Christ are clear enough: 'If he refuses to listen even to the Church, let him be to you a Gentile and a tax collector;' 'He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me;' 'He who does not believe will be condemned;' 'He who does not believe is already condemned;' 'He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.' The Apostle Paul says that such persons are 'perverted and self-condemned;' the Prince of the Apostles calls them 'false teachers . . . who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master. . . bringing upon themselves swift destruction.'"


(Pope Pius IX, Quanto Conficiamur Moeroore, 7-8)
Pope BI. Pius IX - August 10, 1863)

Lionel:
Pope Pius IX in 1863 is affirming the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS in the passages marked in blue.The liberal theologians have re-interpreted the passages in red as referring to visible and known people saved outside the Church, without the baptism of water.
The passages in red are, for me, hypothetical cases, possibilities known only to God and if they existed it would include the baptism of water in the Catholic Church since this is the dogmatic teaching.
However the important point is, that with or without the baptism of water, they are invisible cases for us human beings.So they never ever were exceptions to EENS.

After 1958 the mistake was accepted in the Church. The mistake is there in Vatican Council II too.
Now the SSPX has to realize that BOD, BOB and I.I are not visible cases. So they are not exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. The SSPX must accept Feeneyite EENS. This is the first step towards their reconcilation.
Then they have to realize that like BOD, BOB and I.I, LG 16, LG 8, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22, AG 11, AG 7 etc also refer to hypothetical cases. They are not references to known people saved outside the Church.So Vatican Council II is not a rupture with the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS. The SSPX can affirm Vatican Council II in harmony with EENS and appeal to all Catholics to do the same.
So since they would be accepting Vatican Council II they can ask to be given canonical status. -Lionel Andrades

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Vatican Council II (revised) is not an obstacle for SSPX canonical recognition but Wikipedia's false propaganda has to be neutralised

I mentioned in the last blog post that the  Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) have simply to 1) affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with invisible for us baptism of desire (BOD),baptism of blood (BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance (I.I) and they must 2) affirm Vatican Council II with invisible for us LG 16, LG 8, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22, AG 11, AG 7(BOD,BOB and I.I) etc.1

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However there is so much of false propaganda on Wikipedia which has to be neutralised.It is all based on invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I being visible. Then invisible for us LG 16, LG 8, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22, AG 11, AG7 etc are visible exceptions to Feeneyite EENS. 

Here is the conclusion of the section on Vatican Council II in the Wikipedia article on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. With an irrational premise Wikipedia draws non traditional conclusions.

Second Vatican Council

The Second Vatican Council declared that the Christian communities that are not in full communion, but only in "partial communion"[with the Catholic Church, "though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church".(Lionel : Yes .This is fine as a hypothetical statement However the moment it is assumed that this is an exception to the dogma EENS it is wrongly inferred that this is a visible case. Then we get bad philosophy.So why has Wikipedia mentioned this with reference to extra ecclesiam nulla salusWhy? Since it is wrongly assumed to be a known case of salvation outside the Church.)  It explained that "some and even very many of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church: the written word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, and visible elements too. All of these, which come from Christ and lead back to Christ, belong by right to the one Church of Christ." (Fine. It is not being claimed here that this is a reference to known people saved as such) These elements, it said, "as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward Catholic unity." And "it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help towards salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one body of Christ into which all those must be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God."

(No problem still.Since it is not being said that these are examples of people saved outside the Church who are

 known to us in specific cases. So it is not controversial)
The Council also said that even those who do not believe in Christ are related to the Church: "All men are called to be part of this catholic unity of the people of God which in promoting universal peace presages it. And there belong to or are related to it in various ways, the Catholic faithful, all who believe in Christ, and indeed the whole of mankind, for all men are called by the grace of God to salvation." 
( Fine and they are not exceptions to the dogma EENS.) 
However, it added immediately that those who, "knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved".
(Once again we do not know and cannot know who these people are . So we do 
there is no exception to the dogma EENS mentioned in LG 14) In this way, the Catholic Church teaches that any person who knows that the Catholic Church is necessary for eternal salvation and knowingly rejects the Church with deliberate consent cannot be saved.( This is still speculative, theoretical and hypothetical. There is no controversy here for me.But for Wikipedia these are known cases and so contradict Tradition, in particular EENS and the Syllabus of Errors.So Wikipedia has a bias in this report. It is using the familiar false premisd associated with this subject.They need to be corrected.)  On the other hand, "those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life."
(Once again it is a reference to a hypothetical case for us
 human beings. So there is no exception to the dogma 
EENS here for me.But for Wikpedia it is not a
hypothetical or theoretical subject so it is mentioned 
here).
This does not take from the Church's obligation to preach the Gospel: "Often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator. Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, "Preach the Gospel to every creature", the Church fosters the missions with care and attention."[25] In its decree on missionary activity, the Council, quoting Lumen gentium, 14, said: "Christ Himself 'by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.(This is an orthodox passage supporting Feeneyite EENS and the following passage does not contradict it.Since it refers to a hypothetical case.Unknown people cannot be exceptions to all needing faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7) in the present times.)
 Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it.' (This is a hypothetical passage and mentioning it here in Vatican Council II was a mistake of the Council Fathers(Cardinal Richard Cushing and the others).Since they had confused  BOD, BOB and I.I as being explicit and known in personal cases then they mentioned it here with reference to EENS.This is a subtle error in Vatican Council II). Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him, yet a necessity lies upon the Church, and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel."
(Yes a necessity lies to preach the Gospel saying all need
 to enter the Church since there are no known exceptions to the dogma EENS and inculpable ignorance 
is not one of them).
The Council also warned that full incorporation in the Church does not ensure salvation: "They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion.(Again we have to be cautious of  Cushingite reasoning.
It  confuses  what is unknown as being known)  He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a 'bodily' manner and not 'in his heart'. (and we do not know who he is in any specific case. So this is irrelevant to Feeneyite EENS.But it is relevant for Wikipedia.) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged."


Here is the continuation of the Wikipedia article on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Catholic Church elucidations[edit]

In the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the Church states that the phrase, "Outside the Church there is no salvation", means, if put in positive terms, that "all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body", and "is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church".
At the same time, it adds: "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."[17]
The Church has also declared that "she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter", and that "those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."
Lionel: The passages in red mention with reference to
 salvation are Cushingite passages.Cushingism 
assumes hypothetical cases are objective exceptions 
to EENS.

'those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church'.Lionel: We do not know any person as such in the present times. It is a 'zero case'.
"she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter". Lionel: We do not know any specific person saved as such.This cannot be an example of salvation outside the Church.An invisible person cannot be a visible exception to EENS.So why is it mentioned here? It is mentioned since the writer or the theologian at Wikipedia assumed it is a visible person saved outside the Church.
"those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."Lionel:  and who are saved outside the Church and who are known to us in personal cases? Is this the inference here? This is Cushingism.

  • Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium, 14: "They could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain in it."
  • Lionel: Invincible ignorance is considered an explicit and known exception to the dogma EENS in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office.So Vatican Council(LG 14) makes the bad distinction between those who are in 'ignorance' and those who 'know'. 
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  • Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium, 16: ". . .Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things, and as Saviour wills that all men be saved. Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. . .But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator. Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. . ."
  • Lionel: Again Vatican Council II (LG 16) suggests that being saved in invincible ignorance refers to a known person who was visible and was saved outside the Church.So it becomes an exception to EENS. So with this irrationality( visible exceptions saved in invincible ignorance) a new theology has been created which says there is salvation outside the Church and EENS according to Pius XII (1958) has been rejected.So with bad philosophy bad theology has been created which is non traditional and heretical and a rupture with the past.-Lionel Andrades


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AUGUST 28, 2017


Simple solution for the SSPX : Vatican Council II no more an obstacle for canonical recognition

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/simple-solution-for-sspx-vatican.html

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Simple solution for the SSPX : Vatican Council II no more an obstacle for canonical recognition

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The Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) have simply to 1) affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) with invisible for us baptism of desire (BOD),baptism of blood (BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance (I.I) and they must 2) affirm Vatican Council II with invisible for us LG 16, LG 8, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22, AG 11, AG 7(BOD,BOB and I.I) etc.
Then they have to inform the Vatican that they endorse EENS and Vatican Council II and so should be granted canonical status.
They must also ask the Vatican to affirm the dogma EENS as did the missionaries in the 16th century and also endorse Vatican Council II in harmony with EENS and the Syllabus of Errors, as they do.

They are not rejecting BOD, BOB and I.I.They are only accepting them as hypothetical and theoretical cases which can only be known to God.They cannot be anything else for us human beings.Since they are invisible cases for us they cannot be practical exceptions to EENS.
So they also are clearly rejecting visible and known in personal cases BOD,BOB and I.I with or without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.While they are accepting BOD,BOB and I.I as hypothetical cases which cannot be objective exceptions to EENS in the present times(2017).
This is new information.We have found the 'missing link' and discovered the exact cause of what makes Vatican Council II a rupture or continuity with Tradition.This was not known during the Vatican-SSPX doctrinal talks initiated by Pope Benedict XVI.-Lionel Andrades

August 27, 2017
Appeal to Pope Francis to allow Catholics to interpret Vatican Council II and EENS without the irrational premise
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/appeal-to-pope-francis-to-allow.html

August 26, 2017
Pope Paul VI made a mistake in Vatican Council II : error repeated in Amoris Laetitia
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/08/pope-paul-vi-made-mistake-in-vatican.html


August 27, 2017
CDF Prefects do not know their job : Lefebvre and Feeney's excommunication was a mistake