Saturday, March 8, 2014

Critics of TLM with 'idealogy' of extra ecclesiam nulla salus speak at Liturgical Course in Rome

A part of a course on the liturgy for priests and seminarians  has been organised by the Liturgical Office of the Rome Vicariate and the Pontifical Institute of the Liturgy, University of St. Anselm,Rome. On March 13, Fr.Keith Pecklers S.J is to speak.
 Mons. Arthur Roche, Secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments ,Vatican gave a talk last Feb 13,2013 as part of these series at St.Anselm.
Feast of the Assumption_05Mons. Arthur Roche and Fr.Keith Pecklers , offer Holy Mass denying the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and  interpreting Vatican Council II with an irrational premise. So the pastoral Vatican Council II emerges dogmatic . Since irrationally assuming one can see the dead saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) etc results in a negation of the ex cathedra dogma on exclusive salvation, the dogma on the infallibility of the pope ex cathedra, the Syllabus of Errors etc.
Those priests who do not interpret Vatican Council II as such are not allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass.
 Fr.Keith Pecklers could be incardinated ,if he wanted, in the diocese of Bishop Michael Olson and  be allowed to offer the TLM there. However Fr.Nicholas Gruner would not be able to be incardinated there or allowed to offer the TLM  at Fischer More College.Since he does not accept the irrationality of being able to see the dead on earth saved,  who are visible  exceptions to Tradition in 2014.
This is the New Revelation (allegedly from God) which has come into the Catholic Church and which all priests must accept to offer the TLM.
The New Revelation is accepted by the Jesuit priests  and Spiritual Directors  at the Pontifical Gregorian University, Rome where Fr.Pecklers teaches.
 It is also accepted by Mons. Arthur Roche  the former Bishop of Leeds, England where  no one in the diocese curia or offices  was willing to affirm the extra ecclesiam nulla salus in my communication with them a few years back.

Fr.Pecklers objected in the media to the Good Friday Prayer for the Conversion of the Jews and has been a critic of the TLM.Mons. Roche will permit the TLM to be offered but without the 'ideology' of extra ecclesiam nulla salus . Both of them are denying the dogma on salvation, changing the Nicene Creed and offering Holy Mass in the vernacular in this condition of heresy.
-Lionel Andrades

Why Fr.Nicholas Gruner cannot offer the TLM in public at Fischer More College

Father Nicholas Gruner 

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20. With respect to the question of the necessary requirements for a priest to be held idoneus (“qualified”) to celebrate in the forma extraordinaria, the following is hereby stated:

a.) Every Catholic priest who is not impeded by Canon Law 7 is to be considered idoneus (“qualified”) for the celebration of the Holy Mass in the forma extraordinaria.- Universae Ecclesiae, ECCLESIA DEI,
Instruction on the application of the Apostolic Letter Summorum Pontificum of HIS HOLINESS POPE BENEDICT XVI given Motu Proprio 30 April, 2011, Cardinal William Levada, Prefect, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith,Vatican.
At Fischer More College there was confusion over the presence of Fr.Nicholas Gruner, the Fatima Priest'. However the college has clarified on its website that he did not offer the TLM there in public. He only delivered a lecture. He is also incardinated in the Diocese of Hyderabad.
Why did Fr.Nicholas Gruner not have permission to offer the TLM at FMC ? Why would Bishop Michael Olson not permit him to offer the TLM there ?
Since Fr. Nicholas Gruner  supports the 'ideology' of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is rejected by Bishop Michael Olson who considers Lumen Gentium 16 etc to be known exceptions in 2014 to the traditional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
-Lionel Andrades
December 2013 – Fr. Nicholas Gruner, founder and director of the International Fatima Rosary Crusade, lectured on the Message of Fatima and its relevance today.
Note: In the days prior to the arrival of Fr. Gruner for his lecture, the College was made aware of allegations that Fr. Gruner had been suspended a divinis. After investigating the public record of this matter and obtaining an explanation directly from Fr. Gruner himself, the College learned that no Bishop has ever issued a sentence suspending Father a divinis, and that Father has two separate letters from the Archbishop of Hyderabad confirming (1995) and reaffirming (1999) his incardination in that diocese. In any event, Father was coming to our campus to speak on the message of Fatima, and not to exercise any priestly ministries. Thus, the College proceeded with the event.


Feast of the Assumption_05It is not known if the Fischer More College intends to file a Canonical petition with Ecclesia Dei (1)

It is possible that Bishop Michael Olson may  defend himself saying  that the action was taken based on Summorum Pontificum which states that the Traditonal Latin Mass must be made available only for those who accept Vatican Council II. He could imply that  Mr. Michael King  and the faculty reject Vatican Council II and affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Tradition. So he had a right to halt the Tridentine Rite Mass  being offered at FMC.
He does not oppose the TLM since he permits it in the rest of the diocese where the priests do not have the 'ideology' of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. 
It is important that the FMC faculty review these posts in their defence.(2)
The issue here is also heresy.

When one assumes that the baptism of desire is visible for us and not invisible for us then it is a contradiction of the Nicene Creed. When we pray 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin' , instead of meaning there is one known baptism, we are really saying there are three known to us baptisms. The Nicene Creed refers to the baptism of water.Three known baptisms would be the baptism of water, desire and blood.The baptism of desire and blood are known only to God. These persons are visible and known only to Him.
When one assumes that being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) or imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3) are visible to us in the flesh and that they are really not invisible and unknown for us, then it is a rejection of Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 16 etc). When we assume that LG 16, UR 3 etc contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus we are implying that there are known, visible to us exceptions to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
When we assume that all those who are saved through Jesus and the Church in their religion (CCC 846) are known exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 (and CCC 846) 'all', need 'faith and baptism' for salvation, then we are rejecting the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II. This is also a heresy.
-Lionel Andrades


This is the Mass- does the priest use a false premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II ?
Bishop Michael Olson could be assuming that the TLM rejects the New Revelation in Vatican Council II with the visible dead premise

Chaplains at FMC used the false premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II : cause of tension with faculty

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With regard to chaplains who have exercised priestly ministries (Holy Mass and Confessions) at the College chapel:

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1. Every chaplain has been a priest in good standing with faculties from his Ordinary.
He has possibly interpreted Vatican Council II using the common irrational belief.So the Council for him is a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This must have been a cause for tension,since the faculty at the college affirm Tradition.
2. Every chaplain has had the approval of his superior to offer Mass and hear Confessions in the College chapel.
The Bishop and his Curia have not denied that they assume there are known exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II and other Magisterial documents to extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Tradition. This is a  break with the past. This is also irrational.
3. Every chaplain was given permission to exercise his faculties for Mass and Confession at the College chapel by the Ordinary (or Administrator acting in his stead) of the Catholic Diocese of Fort Worth.
The priests who have offered a public Mass in the Extraordinary Form and heard Confessions at the College chapel since August 2010 are the following:
1. Fr. Simon Zayas, TOR
2. Fr. Juan Diego, CFR
3. Fr. Samuel Weber, OSB
4. Fr. Thomas Longua, FSSP
5. Fr. Philip Wolfe, FSSP
6. Fr. Joseph Orlowski, FSSP
7. Fr. Christopher Henderson, CFM
It is reported that the FSSP priests abruptly left the college. The FSSP is now known internationally as traditionalists who interpret Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition. In public they will not affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Privately they will admit that other religions are 'false religions'.
-Lionel Andrades