Thursday, June 14, 2012

THOSE POOR THREE BISHOPS :SAD TIMES AT THE CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH

Yesterday a meeting was held at the Vatican. Cardinal William Levada and Cardinal Luiz Ladaria met with Bishop Bernard Fellay. Ecclesia Dei was also represented.

The cardinals had earlier also met a delegation of sisters to whom they have issued a Notification. The Vatican side told them, according to reports, that fundamental teachings of the Church cannot be changed.

It is a fundamental teaching of the Church that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.

Yet the two cardinals have approved, along with the pope, two theological papers of the International Theological Commission which indicates that there is a visible baptism of desire and invincible ignorance, which are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14), the Nicene Creed (“I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin”) and other magisterial texts like Dominus Iesus 20.

The cardinals are under the impression that Catholics believe that there are known cases on earth and heaven who have been saved with a good conscience (LG 16) etc. Hence there is no more exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.

They represent the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) who will meet personally the three bishops of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).

The CDF cardinals were silent when the pope and Cardinals Bertone, Bagnasco and Kaspar told the Chief Rabbinate of Israel that Jews do not have to convert in the present times. This is contrary to the Bible and the Creed.

The cardinals are going to meet the three bishops and also talk about Catholic doctrine.

On May 13 Cardinal Kurt Koch said that Jews do not have to accept the New Covenant for salvation and they do not have to convert. There is no mission to them.

The three bishops will have to accept all this to enter the Catholic Church with canonical status.-Lionel Andrades

VATICAN COUNCIL II TEACHES AN ECCLESIOLOGY OF EXCLUSIVE SALVATION. IT IS AFFIRMING EXCLUSIVIST ECCLESIOCENTRISM

There is no text in Vatican Council II which refers to an ecclesiology of communion. In the name of Vatican Council II there is an Alpha International Stall at the 50th International Eucharistic Congress, Dublin and the Catholic Archbishop of Dublin calls for an evangelization along with other Christians.


All in the name of Vatican Council II, the Catholic Archbishop of Dublin,Diarmuid Martin on the Second Day of the International Eucharistic Congress has indicated that the Eucharist in the Catholic Church is not needed for salvation for all people including Christian communities;Protestants.He contradicts Ecclesia di Eucarestia of Pope John Paul II.He contradicts Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14).
Vatican Council II is saying outside the church there is no salvation.Vatican Council II is affirming an exclusivist ecclesiocentrism. Lumen Gentiuim 16 (invincible ignorance and a good conscience) are not exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 since we do not know any such explicit case on earth. Similarly the ‘seeds of the Word’(Dei Verbum) are unknown to us for it to be considered an exception to the dogma on salvation and Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7).

So there is no text in Vatican Council II which could support an ecclesiology of communion with the Christian communities and deny exclusive salvation being there in only the Catholic Church.

Vatican Council II indicates that millions of people who are not in the Catholic Church are oriented to Hell.

The Eucharistic Ecclesiology of Communion Fifty Years after Vatican II
6th - 9th June 2012
The year 2012 marks the 50th anniversary of the opening of the Second Vatican Council that so strongly underlined the ecclesiology of communion.

He suggests that Anglicans and other Christian communities do not need to receive the Eucharist in the Catholic Church for salvation.

It is a defined dogma of the Catholic Church that Christian churches and communities need to convert into the Catholic Church yet in the name of Vatican Council II and with no reference texts they claim that there is an ecclesiology of communion and there no more is an exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

Since they are not familiar with an implicit and explicit understanding of Lumen Gentium 16 they assume that there is no more exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church (1)

-Lionel Andrades

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When the SSPX bishops realize that there is an implicit and explicit baptism of desire magisterial texts will open up in a new way
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/when-sspx-bishops-realize-that-there-is.html

Nostra Aetate does not contradict Ad Gentes 7
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/05/nostra-aetate-does-not-contradict-ad.html

CCC 1257 ‘God is not limited to the Sacraments’ does not contradict itself, Ad Gentes 7 or the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/ccc-1257-god-is-not-limited-to.html


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The 50th International Eucharistic Congress (IEC) underway in Dublin, Ireland is based on dissent and heresy by the established Roman Catholic Church.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/50th-international-eucharistic-congress.html#links

NO ECCLESIOLOGY OF COMMUNION IN VATICAN COUNCIL II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/no-ecclesiology-of-communion-in-vatican.html#links

Where is the text in Vatican Council II which refers to an ecclesiology of communion?

The Theological and Spiritual Section of the 50th International Eucharistic Congress has just appealed to the Spirit of Vatican Council II and without any texts says that the focus should be on Jesus and so communion with all Christian denominations. It then assumes that the Holy Spirit is promoting the Church in this direction.(1)

In other words I could in the name of Jesus and the Spirit of Vatican Council II attend a Jehovah's Witness program and in communion with them do street evangelization, distribute sacred pictures of Jesus and also speak about  Jesus as understood by their religion.

It also means according to the organisers that the Holy Spirit is denying Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II and is saying that for salvation all non Catholics no more need to enter the Church.

Even though Vatican Council II indicates outside the church there is no salvation and there is an exclusive ecclesiocentrism in the Catholic Church, as in the past, it is being said that the Spirit now teaches something different i.e Protestant and Orthodox Christians are not on the way to Hell, unless they convert. Instead, their religions are equal paths to salvation as the Catholic Church. So joint evangelization is being encouraged in the name of Jesus even with those in the mortal sin of faith, in heresy.
Where is the text in Vatican Council II which refers to an ecclesiology of communion?
There is none!
-Lionel Andrades

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Promoting the Ecclesiology and Spirituality of Communion
34. In the light of the Second Vatican Council’s ecclesiology of communion that centred on the Person of Jesus Christ, it could be said that the Spirit today is prompting the whole Church in the direction of promoting a spirituality of communion that lets Jesus Christ be seen and encountered.-THE EUCHARIST COMMUNION WITH CHRIST AND WITH ONE ANOTHER Theological and Pastoral Reflections in Preparation for the 50th International Eucharistic Congress. June 10-17 Dublin Ireland.


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The 50th International Eucharistic Congress (IEC) underway in Dublin, Ireland is based on dissent and heresy by the established Roman Catholic Church.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/50th-international-eucharistic-congress.html#links


NO ECCLESIOLOGY OF COMMUNION IN VATICAN COUNCIL II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/no-ecclesiology-of-communion-in-vatican.html#links

At the 50th International Eucharistic Congres Exhibition beware of the Alpha International stall

Alpha International offers a course for Catholics which does not teach the doctrines of the Catholic Church. It instead teaches Protestant heresy and claims that the course is available for all Christians. It rejects the Catholic concept of the Eucharist.

Alpha International/YouCat has been granted stand 72 in the Exhibition Main Hall of the 50th International Eucharistic Congress.
-Lionel Andrades.
http://www.alpha.org/
 
   
The 50th International Eucharistic Congress (IEC) underway in Dublin, Ireland is based on dissent and heresy by the established Roman Catholic Church.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/50th-international-eucharistic-congress.html#links

NO ECCLESIOLOGY OF COMMUNION IN VATICAN COUNCIL II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/no-ecclesiology-of-communion-in-vatican.html

L’Osservatore Romano does not carry Cardinal Kurt Koch's statement on Jews not having to convert in the present time and there is no mission to them- conditions for the SSPX canonical acceptance

The cardinal’s May 16 questions and answers with reporters at the Angelicum University have been omitted in which it was suggested that the New Covenant Jesus made with his blood was not important and Jews were saved under the old covenant.

Cardinal Kurt Koch was contradicting the Bible, the Nicene Creed , Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14) and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.He was saying non Catholics are saved in general with Original Sin.

There has been no clarification or comment from the Vatican media spokesman since the cardinal was reflecting the official public political policy of the Vatican.

The L’Osservatore Romano (May 17) has reported the main talk of Cardinal Kurt Koch, Prefect for Christian Unity and relations with the Jews. It was organised at the Angelicum before a decision was taken on the Society of St. Pius X.

I do not read the daily newspapers but yesterday a religious Sister handed me a few old copies of the L’Osservatore Romano including the May 16 and 17 editions.

Interestingly the pope last Monday did not say to go out into the whole world and preach the Good News, teach and baptise even though this was the theme of the conference he was addressing at the Basilica of St. John Lateran. He seemed to be talking about secondary things relevant to baptism but irrelevant to the theme. It was as if he chose a different theme. The conference was organised by the Rome Vicariate which cancelled the last Gesù al Centro youth annual, street evangelization in Rome.

The media meanwhile still reports that Catholics believe in a visible to us baptism of desire and of known cases on earth of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance.No one from the Vatican issues a correction. If the error is corrected it would result in a public affirmation of the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This would be contrary to the Vatican policy on inter religious dialogue and ecumenism.

According to the Vatican’s new policy approved by the pope, Jews are saved in general with Original Sin and Christian communities are equal paths to salvation as the Catholic Church. Their members are saved through Jesus without the Catholic Church. .-Lionel Andrades

CARDINAL KOCH MOUTHS HERESY AT THE ANGELICUM UNIVERSITY: THROWS AWAY VATICAN COUNCIL II, BIBLE AND DOGMA

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/05/cardinal-koch-mouths-heresy-at.html

Vatican Council II states all Jews and other non Catholics need to convert for salvation and so the comments were pulled down. The comments were contrary to the political propaganda at the University by the rabbi

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/05/vatican-council-ii-states-all-jews-and.html

Koch’s SSPX must accept Jews do not have to convert to receive canonical status talk reported by Catholic News Service downplayed on Rorate Caeli
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/05/kochs-sspx-must-accept-jews-do-not-have.html

KOCH: SSPX WILL HAVE TO ACCEPT JEWS DO NOT NEED TO CONVERT TO RECEIVE CANONICAL STATUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/05/koch-sspx-will-have-to-accept-that-jews.html

POPE BENEDICT ASKS WHY IS IT NECESSARY TO BE BAPTIZED
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/pope-benedict-asks-why-is-it-necessary.html


Nostra Aetate does not contradict Ad Gentes 7
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/05/nostra-aetate-does-not-contradict-ad.html