Wednesday, December 5, 2012

SONO QUI A LODARTI (LUCE AL MONDO)








ECCLESIA DEI PLEASE OPEN TALKS WITH THE SEDEVANCANTISTS CMRI


The Congregatio Mariae Reginae Immaculatae (CMRI) also has many religious just like the SSPX.There website indicates that they also wrongly assume implicit salvation referred in Vatican Council II is explicit.

After Archbishop Gerhard Muller's statement on Vatican Council II not being a break with the past and those who  consider it as such is heretical,traditional and progressives, this is the time to dialogue with the CMRI.

CMRI’s Theological Position
The Roman Catholic priests of the Religious Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen profess and adhere to the Catholic Faith as it has been consistently taught throughout the centuries since the time of Christ. With the death of Pope Pius XII and with the convocation of the Second Vatican Council, an unprecedented situation has befallen the Church, which threatens her very doctrines and worship. In order to provide for the preservation of the Catholic Faith and the traditional Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and Sacraments, the following statement has been drawn up for the purpose of clearly defining the actual position that these priests have taken.

I. VATICAN COUNCIL II: Convoked by John XXIII for the purpose of “updating” the Church, this council (held from 1962-65) decreed and implemented teachings which had been previously condemned by the Infallible Teaching Magisterium of the Church. The Second Vatican Council’s heretical teachings were primarily in the areas of religious liberty and false ecumenism. These were previously condemned by:
Pope Gregory XVI in Mirari Vos (1832)
Pope Pius IX in Quanta Cura and Syllabus of Errors (1864)
Pope Leo XIII in Immortale Dei (1865) and Libertas Humana (1888)
Pope Pius XI in Quas Primas (1925) and Mortalium Animos (1928)
Pope Pius XII in Mystici Corporis (1943)

THEREFORE, the Second Vatican Council is to be rejected as a false council because it has erred in its teachings on faith and morals.
For example Vatican Council II does not contradict Mystici Corporis since Pope Pius XII does not state that those saved in invincible ignorance are known to us. SInce they are not known they do not contradict the dogma on salvation.
The CMRI assumes there are known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors and there is no one from Ecclesia Dei speaking to them about this.
-Lionel Andrades

Archbishop Gerhard Muller's reference to heretical interpretations of Vatican Council II also refers to Bishop Robert W. Finn and Raymond Boland of Kansas City,USA



Archbishop Gerhard Muller's reference to heretical interpretations of Vatican Council II also refers to Bishop Robert W. Finn and Raymond Boland of Kansas City,USA .Bishop Boland in a letter to Fr.Peter Scott of the Society of St.Pius X SSPX indicates that Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and is a rupture with Tradition.

The National Catholic Reporter staff who also reject most of the Church's teachings are allowed to call themself Catholic with the permission of the Kansas City bishops and operate in this diocese.They are given the Eucharist at Mass.

I had written to the bishops asking them for a clarification regarding Bishop Boland's statement to Fr.Peter Scott posted on the internet but was always told that the bishop was abroad.

Here is the statement of Bishop Boland to Fr.Peter Scott.

In reference to this topic I believe the position of the Church is clearly outlined in a number of places. Those of most recent vintage are:


I) The documentation produced by the Holy See during the famous Father Feeney case in Boston in the 1950s.

2) Vatican II’s Lumen Gentium.

3) Father Maurice Eminyan’s articles on this topic in the New Catholic Encyclopedia.

4) Various references to Salvation in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. (The Second Edition, from the Latin text, is the better translation.)

5) The Declaration of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Dominus Jesus (August 6, 2000).

-Lionel Andrades
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Here are posts from this blog related to the issue of the Kansas bishops and their staff, liberals, interpretating Vatican Council II as a rupture from Tradition.

from the blog Eucharist and Mission

KANSAS CITY DIOCESE COULD HAVE SHORT MISSION COURSES BASED ON BISHOP RAYMOND BOLAND’S FIVE POINTS
Bishops Boland and Finn are completely committed to the authentic Magisterium in all circumstances says Diocese Office of Communications. No denial from Kansas City.

Bishop Raymond Boland, Emeritus Bishop of Kansas City in a letter to Fr. Peter Scott of the Society of St. Pius X said the teachings of the Catholic Church on the subject of extra ecclesiam nulla salus are clear. He cited five important points.

Bp Boland Letter.qxd www.sspx.org/.../Kansas_City_diocese.pdf

These five points can be the basis of a short course on Catholic Mission for lay members of the diocese. They have only to be explained in detail.Then lay Catholics can use them in mission programs. In street-mission or other forms of evangelising proclaiming the Catholic Faith outside of which there is no salvation.

I have received an e-mail from Rebecca Summers, the Director of the Diocese Office of Communications, Kansas City. She writes in response to BISHOP ROBERT FINN, BISHOP RAYMOND BOLAND AFFIRM THE ‘RIGORIST INTERPRETATION’ OF EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS : NO DENIAL FROM KANSAS CITY the last blog post, on eucharistandmission.

Lionel
Bishop Boland is travelling and unavailable to comment. Delicate questions of ecclesiology and other theological questions should always be evaluated in their context. Bishops Boland and Finn are completely committed to the authentic Magisterium in all circumstances.
Rebecca Summers
Bishops Boland and Finn are completely committed to the authentic Magisterium in all circumstances says Rebecca Summers. So the diocese acknowledges that Pope Pius XII supported Fr.Leonard Feeney in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and he was not excommunicated for heresy and this is the teaching of the Magisterium.

Here are the five points of Bishop Boland.
1. 'The documentation produced by the Holy See during the famous Father Feeney case in Boston in the 1950s.'This document, the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 mentions the dogma, the infallible teaching. The dogma indicates all non Catholics in Boston need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell. So this documentation supported Fr. Leonard Feeney .It no where mentions that he was excommunicated for heresy. The excommunication was lifted without him having to recant his teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Assuming he was excommunicated for heresy it would mean the Church Fathers, the popes, the saints were all in heresy for saying every one needs to be a visible member of the Church and there are no exceptions. http://www.catholicism.org/downloads/Peter_Vere_SBC.pdf

2. Vatican II’s Lumen Gentium.

Vatican’s Lumen Gentium supports Fr. Leonard Feeney in LG 14 which says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

Lumen Gentium 16 refers to those who can be saved in invincible ignorance. This is not an exception to the dogma since we do not know any explicit case of someone saved in invincible ignorance. We accept the possibility of such salvation but know that the ordinary means of salvation is Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (LG 14). (1)

3. Father Maurice Eminyan’s articles on this topic in the New Catholic Encyclopedia.

The Jesuit priest affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.(2)

4. Various references to Salvation in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. (The Second Edition, from the Latin text, is the better translation.)

The Catechism of the Catholic Church(CCC) 845,846 says all need to enter the Church ‘as through a door’; the Church is the only Ark of Noah that saves in the flood.

All who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church (CCC 846). This includes those who have received the baptism of water with Catholic Faith and those who are saved through the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance etc and are known only to God. Those who are saved through the baptism of desire are not exceptions to the dogma, they do not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

5. The Declaration of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Dominus Jesus (August 6, 2000).

Dominus Iesus 20 tells us that Jesus died for all however for all people to receive this salvation they need to enter the Catholic Church. The Church is necessary for salvation. This also is an affirmation of the thrice defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which Pope Pius XII called an ‘infallible statement’.The Church's position on this issue is clear wrote Bishop Raymond Boland.

The authentic Magisterium is the same as that of Fr. Leonard Feeney, the Church Fathers, popes, Councils and saints. It is supported by Vatican Council II and magisterial documents before and after Vatican Council II. -Lionel Andrades

SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 5, 2011
BISHOP ROBERT FINN AND BISHOP RAYMOND BOLAND OF KANSAS CITY AFFIRMING THE CHURCH’S TEACHINGS ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS ?
Diocese Director of Communications unsure.

Thursday, November 3, 2011
BISHOP EMERITUS RAYMOND J.BOLAND OF KANSAS CITY CORRESPONDS WITH FR.PETER SCOTT OF THE SSPX ON THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 2011
DOMINUS IESUS AFFIRMS EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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1.
Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism (124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.-Lumen Gentium 14

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7

2.
‘The Catholic Church herself is necessary for salvation by absolute necessity of means.{3} There is no salvation without the mediation of the Catholic Church; one must somehow belong to or be united to the Catholic Church in order to be saved: “all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is His Body” (CCC 846)

Formal membership in the Catholic Church is necessary for salvation by relative necessity of means.{7} Under certain conditions, people who are not formal members of the Catholic Church and are otherwise united to the Catholic Church can be saved.{8}

The Catholic Church is necessary for salvation by necessity of precept because Christ positively wills this and made it the law of the Church{11} He founded on St. Peter [Mt 16:18; Lk 10:16; Acts 20:28; 1 Thess 5:12-13; Heb 13:7,17].

Only Catholics are “actual members“ of the Church founded by Christ, formally incorporated into the Mystical Body of Christ.{12} Vatican II decrees (Lumen Gentium 14).

“All validly baptized non-Catholics” (e.g., the Eastern Orthodox) are “radically joined“ to the Catholic Church, the Mystical Body of Christ.{14} The indelible character imprinted by their valid baptism “gives them a proximate intrinsic exigency for incorporation into the Church.” If they are in good faith and a state of sanctifying grace, they unwittingly “really belong“ to the Catholic Church.{15}( Fr.Maurice Eminyan S.J ).
(Note: In principle we accept the possibility 'in certain circumstances'(Letter of the Holy Office 1949) of a member of the Orthodox Churches to be saved. This would be known only to God. In general however, all members of the Orthodox Churches, with no exception, need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation. (Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, Vatican Council II, Lumen Gentium 14, Ad Gentes 7 etc). http://thebananarepublican1.wordpress.com/2009/12/25/extra-ecclesiam-nulla-salus/

3.
Above all else, it must be firmly believed that “the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5), and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door”. This doctrine must not be set against the universal salvific will of God (cf. 1 Tim 2:4); “it is necessary to keep these two truths together, namely, the real possibility of salvation in Christ for all mankind and the necessity of the Church for this salvation”. - Dominus Iesus 20.
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SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 5, 2011
BISHOP ROBERT FINN AND BISHOP RAYMOND BOLAND OF KANSAS CITY AFFIRMING THE CHURCH’S TEACHINGS ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS ?
Diocese Director of Communications unsure.

Thursday, November 3, 2011
BISHOP EMERITUS RAYMOND J.BOLAND OF KANSAS CITY CORRESPONDS WITH FR.PETER SCOTT OF THE SSPX ON THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 2011
DOMINUS IESUS AFFIRMS EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
-Lionel Andrades
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SSPX ,CATHOLIC TRADITIONALISTS ARE ANATHEMA ACCORDING TO THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS

NON CATHOLICS CAN BE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE, BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS- Daphne McLeod, Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice, England

DAPHNE MCLEOD COMMENT A BOMBSHELL FOR ENGLISH BISHOPS?

ASSISI INTERFAITH MEETING OCT.27: OLD PROBLEM AMONG TRADITIONALISTS SURFACE

SSPX CONSIDERS THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE AS DE FACTO KNOWN TO US : DISCERNING LIBERALS MUST BE LAUGHING UP THEIR SLEEVE

SSPX CONSIDERS THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE AS EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS THIS IS HERESY

SSPX IN HERESY CALLS ATTENTION TO HERESY AT ASSISI

SSPX CLARIFY FOR US WHAT IS YOUR DOCTRINAL POSITION ON THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

ARCHBISHOP MARCEL LEFEBVRE CALLED "TO PREACH" THE RIGORIST INTERPRETATION OF "EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS"

SSPX CLARIFY FOR US WHAT IS YOUR DOCTRINAL POSITION ON THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

NORMS FOR THE TRIDENTINE RITE MASS VIOLATED ?

Michael Voris Hits the Jackpot…that is, “the dogma”- Brother André Marie MICM :RealCatholicTV affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

CATHOLIC LAY PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITA EUROPA DI ROMA AFFIRMS DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE

FR.TULLIO ROTONDO AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P

BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR CHRISTIAN UNITY INDICATES POPES, SAINTS IN HERESY

Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity claims Pope Pius XII condemned the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus :suggests those in invincible ignorance are explicitly known to us and so contradicts the dogma

Vatican website for clergy promotes 'theology of religions', Kung and Knitter : claims Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for the same interpretation of the dogma as the popes and saints

CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF

CATHOLIC HERALD, U.K: IS IT STILL CATHOLIC?

ANGELICUM UNIVERSITY IS CHURNING OUT THEOLOGY DEGREES FOR THOSE WHO SAY FR.LEONARD FEENEY WAS EXCOMMUNICATED FOR REJECTING THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE
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Saturday, November 5, 2011
BISHOP ROBERT FINN AND BISHOP RAYMOND BOLAND OF KANSAS CITY AFFIRMING THE CHURCH’S TEACHINGS ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS ?
Diocese Director of Communications unsure.

Bishop Raymond Boland cited magisterial documents which affirm and do not deny the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He was citing Church documents which affirm the centuries old interpretation of the dogma. However according to Rebecca Summers Director of Communications, Diocese of Kansas City ‘this may not be the view’ of Bishop Raymond Boland and Bishop Robert Finn.

Bishop Raymond J. Boland, former Bishop of Kansas City responded in a letter (2001) to Rev.Fr. Peter Scott former District Superior of the Society of St. Pius X on the subject of the Church's teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla.

I emailed Rebecca Summers and asked if Bishop Robert Finn the present bishop of Kansas City agrees with Bishop Boland and this message:

Bishop Raymond Boland cited magisterial documents which affirmed the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as interpreted by Church Councils, popes, saints, Vatican Council II, Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Dominus Iesus.The Church has not changed its interpretation of the dogma.

This would seem that Raymond Boland is affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as did Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston and was saying that this is the Catholic Church’s teaching.

Bishop Raymond Boland is unavailable to comment she said and this may not be his Catholic beliefs. Neither could these Church teachings be the views of the present bishop of Kansas City.(1).

1. 'The documentation produced by the Holy See during the famous Father Feeney case in Boston in the 1950s.'This document, the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 mentions the dogma, the infallible teaching. The dogma indicates all non Catholics in Boston need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell. So this documentation supported Fr. Leonard Feeney .It no where mentions that he was excommunicated for heresy.The excommunication was lifted without him having to recant his teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

2. Vatican II’s Lumen Gentium.

Vatican’s Lumen Gentium supports Fr. Leonard Feeney in LG 14 which says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

Lumen Gentium 16 refers to those who can be saved in invincible ignorance. This is not an exception to the dogma since we do not know any explicit case of someone saved in invincible ignorance. We accept the possibility of such salvation but know that the ordinary means of salvation is Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (LG 14).

3. Father Maurice Eminyan’s articles on this topic in the New Catholic Encyclopedia.(2)

4. Various references to Salvation in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. (The Second Edition, from the Latin text, is the better translation.)

The Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,846 says all need to enter the Church ‘as through a door’; the Church is the only Ark of Noah that saves in the flood.

CCC 846 says all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church. This includes those who have received the baptism of water with Catholic Faith and those who are saved through the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance etc and are known only to God. Those who are saved through the baptism of desire are not exceptions to the dogma, they do not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

5. The Declaration of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Dominus Jesus (August 6, 2000).

Dominus Iesus 20 tells us that Jesus died for all however for all people to receive this salvation they need to enter the Catholic Church. The Church is necessary for salvation. This also is an affirmation of the thrice defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which Pope Pius XII called an ‘infallible statement’.

The Church's position on this issue is clear.It is the same as that of Fr.Leonard Feeney, the Church Fathers, popes, Councils and saints. It is supported by Vatican Council II and magisterial documents before and after Vatican Council II. -Lionel Andrades

Thursday, November 3, 2011
BISHOP EMERITUS RAYMOND J.BOLAND OF KANSAS CITY CORRESPONDS WITH FR.PETER SCOTT OF THE SSPX ON THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 2011
DOMINUS IESUS AFFIRMS EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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1.
In reference to this topic I believe the position of the Church is clearly outlined in a number of places. Those of most recent vintage are:

I) The documentation produced by the Holy See during the famous Father Feeney case in Boston in the 1950s.

2) Vatican II’s Lumen Gentium.

3) Father Maurice Eminyan’s articles on this topic in the New Catholic Encyclopedia.

4) Various references to Salvation in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. (The Second Edition, from the Latin text, is the better translation.)

5) The Declaration of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Dominus Jesus (August 6, 2000).

2.
‘The Catholic Church herself is necessary for salvation by absolute necessity of means.{3} There is no salvation without the mediation of the Catholic Church; one must somehow belong to or be united to the Catholic Church in order to be saved: “all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is His Body” (CCC 846)

Formal membership in the Catholic Church is necessary for salvation by relative necessity of means.{7} Under certain conditions, people who are not formal members of the Catholic Church and are otherwise united to the Catholic Church can be saved.{8}

The Catholic Church is necessary for salvation by necessity of precept because Christ positively wills this and made it the law of the Church{11} He founded on St. Peter [Mt 16:18; Lk 10:16; Acts 20:28; 1 Thess 5:12-13; Heb 13:7,17].

Only Catholics are “actual members“ of the Church founded by Christ, formally incorporated into the Mystical Body of Christ.{12} Vatican II decrees (Lumen Gentium 14).

“All validly baptized non-Catholics” (e.g., the Eastern Orthodox) are “radically joined“ to the Catholic Church, the Mystical Body of Christ.{14} The indelible character imprinted by their valid baptism “gives them a proximate intrinsic exigency for incorporation into the Church.” If they are in good faith and a state of sanctifying grace, they unwittingly “really belong“ to the Catholic Church.{15}- Fr.Maurice Eminyan S.J

(Note: In principle we accept the possibility 'in certain circumstances'(Letter of the Holy Office 1949) of a member of the Orthodox Churches to be saved.This would be known only to God. In general however, all members of the Orthodx Churches, with no exception, need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.(Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, Vatican Council II, Lumen gentium 14, Ad Gentes 7 etc).
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Paulist Fathers in Rome meet Archbishop Gerhard Muller's standard of an heretical interpretation of Vatican Council II

SSPX,TRADITIONALISTS ON YOUTUBE CONFIRM ARCHBISHOP GERHARD MULLER'S ANALYSIS

Monday, December 3, 2012
Archbishop Gerhard Muller,Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican has got it right!