Saturday, November 2, 2013

Fr.Barron -except for the saints, and the Holy Family, the Church does not say anyone is in Heaven

Fr.Barron says the Church does not say that anyone is in Hell. Well, except for the saints, and the Holy Family, the Church does not say anyone is in Heaven too or in Purgatory.
The Church tells us that those who die with mortal sin on their soul are on the way to Hell. This is the norm. We know there are so many people who die in public mortal sin without repenting.They are in Hell. Then the Church tells us that faith and baptism are needed to avoid Hell (for salvation).(John 3:5, AG 7 etc).The majority of people die outside the Catholic Church. They have not entered the narrow gate.
At Medugorje which is soon to be approved for pastoral reasons, according to reports, the seers can ask Our Lady, who is in Heaven or in Hell in the present times.Our Lady at Medugorje has said that Pope John Paul II is in Heaven.
If Our Lady at Medugorje would be asked where is Mohammad, since Fr.Barron or someone else has doubts, for political reasons the Franciscan spiritual directors of the seers would not allow the answer to be made public.It could be the end of the apparitions.
 Since the Vatican Curia interprets AG 7 as contradicting itself. They assume there are known exceptions to all needing to enter the Church. They interpret the Council using the false premise. So if Our Lady affirms AG 7 and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus the Vatican could put an end to the apparitions at Medugorje, the Franciscans know this very well.So they shelved Our Lady's message to Marija, one of the seers, asking her  to read The Poem of the Man God by Maria Valtorta. It affims the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Vatican Council II (LG 14) says those who know about Jesus and the Church and the necessity to enter it and do not do so, are on the way to Hell.LG 14 is saying  Mohammad is lost eternally.
Vatican Council II(AG 7) says all need faith and baptism for salvation . Again the Council is saying Mohammad is lost forever. So in faith- we know !
 The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441) has the same message as John 3:5, AG 7, LG 14 and the Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257, 845,846.
 CCC 1257 states that we know of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water and CCC 1257 also says God is not limited to the Sacraments. Those who are saved without the Sacraments, if there are any such case, would be known only to God. The Church does not state that Mohammad is one of them. 
Fr.Barron could say that Mohammad had perfect contrition and conversion at his death bed, like the Sultan whom St. Francis of Assisi visited and had baptized at the point of death.Yes but we do not know personally , neither does Fr.Barron and neither has the Church made an announcement saying Mohammad is in Heaven.
 However we do know that he did not have Catholic Faith and the baptism of water and neither was he in ignorance.So according to the Church(AG 7 etc) he was on the way to Hell. 
Conversely, neither can Fr.Barron and the liberals say Mohammad is in Heaven.
When someone is 'on the way to Hell', the Catholic Church does not grant him a funeral.Someone oriented to Hell is not allowed to receive the Eucharist. Muslims and Protestants cannot receive the Eucharist.(Ecclesia di Eucharestia).
Similarly  Catholics in public mortal sin, who are oriented to Hell, if they die immediately , are not to be given the Eucharist. Also the excommunicated are not given the Sacraments.
So the Church does say that some people are oriented to Hell. Jesus mentioned the damned. The Bible tells us that the bad angels are already there in Hell. Hell is  not empty.

Hell Is Real And Souls Go There -Michael Voris

For political reasons SSPX priests are silent

For political reasons SSPX priests are saying Vatican Council II contradicts the traditional teaching on other religions and ecumenism.Personally they know that the Council doctrinally is traditional on these two subjects.

The SSPX priests do not want to oppose Econe.They  want to be obedient to their superiors.

This is a subject which also makes the priests of the SSPX-SO uncomfortable.

They know that the Council in itself is not irrational unless an irrational premise is used in the interpretation.

On the other side there are also liberals who know the truth about Vatican Council II but for ideological reasons do not want to bring the truth out in the open.
There are priests who offer Holy Mass in the vernacular who know that Vatican Council II is doctrinally not ambiguous on other religions and ecumenism.For political reasons they too do not want to talk about it.
SSPX priests in Rome are not comfortable when discussing this subject. They would like to end the conversation quickly. They do not reply to e-mails on this subject. They do not even want to acknowledge having received an e-mail.

Then there are SSPX priests who may be saying to themself."How can we tell all these hundreds of Catholics who attend our churches that we were wrong about Vatican Council II with regard to other religions and Christian communities and churches?"

"How can we say now that Vatican Council II does not contradict the traditional teaching?"

"How can we say that we were using a modernist interpretation of Vatican Council II and we did not know about it?

We can agree that there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus mentioned in Vatican Council II but how can we say that Vatican Council II does not contradict extra eccelesiam nulla salus, even if it does not?
-Lionel Andrades