Thursday, July 14, 2016

Pope Francis is permitting the Latin Mass today only because it is not part of the Deposit of the Faith, theologically. So it becomes a break with the old spirituality

Why do we need the Old Latin Mass?
We need the Old Latin Mass since it represents to us the theology and spirituality of the early ages of the Church.It comes to us from the eight century and before the eight century the Age of the Fathers and they have something to say to the Church of all ages.The spirituality of the Mass is the spirituality of the Church right up to the middle of the 20th century.That's something which is part of the Deposit of the Faith.-Joseph Shaw

This is not true. Joseph Shaw  assumes hypothetical cases , without the baptism of water are known exceptions in 2016 to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the old ecclesiology.This is irrational,non traditional and heretical. It is part of the ecclesiology of the Novus Ordo  and Traditional Latin Mass today.
So the spirituality of the Old Mass has changed.It is not the same as during the time of the Church Fathers or even the 16th century missionaries who only had the Latin Mass.
If the  philosophical innovation of being able to judge hypothetical cases as being visible was not there,we  are back to the old ecclesiology of the eight century. Theology will not have changed.
Pope Francis is permitting the Latin Mass today only because it is not part of the Deposit of the Faith, theologically. So it becomes a  break with old spirituality.
Joseph Shaw, John Lamont and Fr. Harrison object to the subjectivism of Amoris Laetitia but not to the subjectivism in a new theology, which contradicts the Principle of Non Contradiction.This is the staple ecclesiology of the Traditional Latin Mass.So many times I have written about this but  Joseph Shaw will not comment. He, like  Fr. Harrison and John Lamont  would prefer to remain Anonymous on this issue.
Joseph Shaw and the Latin Mass Society need the approval  of the English bishops and the Vatican. They are also politically correct with the Left on this issue.
The Benedictine Prior at Norcia also remains politically correct on this issue and so avoids commenting on what I keep writing. He could be one of the Anonymous signatories critical of Amoris Laetitia.
The new director of the Human Life International, Rome, Fr. Francesco Giordano could also be among the 'Anonymous Group'.He interprets the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, as having  'developments',  when he teaches this subject at  the Pontifical  University of St.Thomas Aquinas, Rome.He offers the Traditional Latin Mass and teaches the new theology, as he did, at the old Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate seminary in Boccea, Rome.Like Fr. Brian Harrison he remains non controversial and Anonymous on this issue.

Lionel Andrades

The Anonymous Problem

Rory Donnellan says:
A related question is why are traditional Catholics working for organisations/institutions that could terminate their employment based on a respectful letter to Cardinals? Are they so desperate for a job to provide for their families that they are prepared to work for enemies of the Church – including the enemies within?
We sometimes hear the same argument from Catholics who work for the freemasons or in abortion clinics.
Lionel: Understandable. So the Anonymous Catholics are saying that there could be heretical interpretations of Amoris Laetitia (AL) but the Pope is not heresy.
When AL suggests that a person in manifest mortal sin is not necessarily in mortal sin, and does not contradict traditional teachings on mortal sin nor Pope John Paul II’s encyclical on moral theology , Veritatis Splendor, it is not a mortal sin.So Cardinal Schonborn and Cardinal Baldiserri and of course Pope Francis cannot be in mortal sin.
To assume that we can objectively know the subjective state of someone in manifest mortal sin who is not allegedly in mortal sin, is subjectivism, philophical subjectivism,
The Non-anonymous members of the Anonymous Signatories ( Fr.Brian Harrison, John Lamont and Joseph Shaw) use philosophical subjectivism in the interpretation of salvation theology just as AL does with moral theology.
According to their new theology, there are known cases of the baptism of desire etc in 2016 for these hypothetical cases to be explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according, to the 16th century missionaries and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.So there are exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church for them. They all accept the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which says there are exceptions.
This is not heretical for them. So when Pope Francis and the Masons suggest that there are exceptions to manifest mortal sin and that a mortal sin it not always a mortal sin, the pope and his bad cardinals are not in heresy.

-Lionel Andrades

Michael Voris : On Being Saved and In Heaven there are only Catholics

On Being Saved.( The Vortex—On Being Saved )
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It is important to be a Catholic according to Michael Voris since in general all non- Catholics are on the way to Hell and if there is a non Catholic saved in another religion it is because 'he is in the faith',as a mystic would put it.
Jesus would have sent a preacher  to baptism him  (St. Thomas Aquinas) or he would return from the dead only to be baptised ( St. Francis Xavier).So in Heaven there are only Catholics.
Michael often cautions about the billions of people who die outside the Church and who will never see Heaven.

They will not die 'in the faith' to use a phrase of Maria Simma, however there can non Catholics saved in another religion and they would be saved 'in the faith'.
So when Michael Voris says every one who is in Heaven is a Catholic he means there are no baptism of desire cases in Heaven without the baptism of water.In Heaven there are only Catholics with faith and baptism.Catholic Faith which includes the baptism of water and the other Sacraments and the faith and moral teachings of the Church.
So proclaim the Faith saying there are only Catholics in Heaven and outside the Church there is no salvation ( Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14), Catechism of the Catholic Church(1257,846),Dominus Iesus 20, CDF Notification on Fr. Jacques Dupuis S.J(2001), Redemptoris Missio 55,  dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441) etc).
So all the non-Catholics in Michigan, Texas and other parts of the USA according to Michael Voris, are on the way to Hell unless they convert into the Catholic Church.
Like Our Lady at Medugorje he is saying all religions are not equal. God loves all and all people in potential can go to Heaven. At Medugorge Our Lady chose the Catholic Church in which to appear.It is only in the Catholic Church that there is salvation.
Many of her children, however, within the Catholic Church , who have 'the faith', will not be saved.Since they die in mortal sin without Absolution in the Sacrament of Confession.
Then many of her children within the Catholic Church, are in innocent heresy, due to ignorance.Since the New Catechemunal Way, the Focolares, Catholic Charismatic Renewal, religious communities,traditionalists and sedevacantists,all interpret salvation with the new theology which violates the Principle of Non Contradiction.So the conclusion is non traditional and heretical and it is approved by the contemporary magisterium.

Michael Voris is saying that in general, defacto, every one needs to enter the Church with faith and baptism in 2016 to be saved from Hell.When I meet a non Catholic, I know he is oriented to Hell, since he does not have Catholic Faith which includes the baptism of water.I cannot know of any one in 2016 who will be saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.Nor can I know of anyone in 2016 who has been saved with the baptism of desire or blood, or in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.No one in the past could have known of someone who is in Heaven and who contradicted the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So like Fr. Leonard Feeney and the 16th century missionaries, Michael Voris is saying all need to formally enter the Church to avoid Hell and there are no 'developments' for him; there are no known exceptions for him in  Detroit.All non Catholics who are participated in inter-religious dialogue, educated persons, in the Archdiocese of Diocese, are oriented to the fires of Hell unless before they die they enter the Catholic Church, the only Ark of Noah that saved in the flood.-Lionel Andrades

July 13, 2016
The Vortex On Being Saved can be used as a program for evangelising.It avoids getting into the new theology which creates confusion