Sunday, October 14, 2012

REDEMPTORIST PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT ITSELF NOR THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

A Redemptorist priest in Rome today agreed that the Catholic Church still teaches the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and there are no known exceptions , which would contradict the dogma, in the present times.

Fr. Joshua, who offered Holy Mass in English today afternoon at the church Chiesa Santa Alfanso in Rome, like the founder of his community St. Alphonsus Ligouri, affirmed the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Since we do not know anyone saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience (LG 16) there are no exceptions to all needing Catholics Faith and the baptism of water for salvation (AG 7). AG 7 does not contradict LG 16. Vatican Council II does not contradict itself.

Similarly, he said Vatican Council does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Fr. Joshua offered Mass at the Church situated between the Basilica of St. Mary Majors and the Alphonsianum University. It is a Marian sanctuary which houses the original icon of Our Lady of Perpetual Succour. Before Mass, attended largely by the Filipino community here, they prayed the Novena to Our Lady of Perpetual Help.

I spoke with Fr. Joshua in the sacristy before Mass and mentioned that I was asking these questions for my blog Eucharist and Mission.

I said that we do not know any person in the present times in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire. He answered Yes.

Also we do not know any one saved with the seeds of the Word or imperfect communion with the Church. He agreed. These cases could only be known to God.

I mentioned that Ad Gentes 7 says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

So when LG 16 says there can be those saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience it does not contradict AG 7. He agreed.

Since we do not know any of these cases saved in the present times s Vatican Council II would also not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He agreed. He said that according to this reasoning it does not contradict the dogma.

So extra ecclesiam nulla salus is still the teaching of the Catholic Church today? He said yes.-Lionel Andrades


LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/legionary-of-christ-priest-frrafael.html